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	<title>Comments on: The Difference Between the Multiply-by-25 Rule and the 4-Percent Rule</title>
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	<description>The Old Ideas on Saving &#38; Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://arichlife.passionsaving.com/2009/07/02/the-difference-between-the-multiply-by-25-rule-and-the-4-percent-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-2323</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Old Hand.

Your words do indeed appear at the Moolanomy site. Perhaps there was a moderation delay.

I responded over there. Here is another link:

http://www.moolanomy.com/1690/the-difference-between-the-multiply-by-25-rule-and-the-4-percent-rule/

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Old Hand.</p>
<p>Your words do indeed appear at the Moolanomy site. Perhaps there was a moderation delay.</p>
<p>I responded over there. Here is another link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moolanomy.com/1690/the-difference-between-the-multiply-by-25-rule-and-the-4-percent-rule/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moolanomy.com/1690/the-difference-between-the-multiply-by-25-rule-and-the-4-percent-rule/</a></p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://arichlife.passionsaving.com/2009/07/02/the-difference-between-the-multiply-by-25-rule-and-the-4-percent-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-2322</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, John.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, John.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: John Walter Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Walter Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

That&#039;s a really good article. Thanks.

Have fun.

John Walter Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a really good article. Thanks.</p>
<p>Have fun.</p>
<p>John Walter Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Old Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote the following reply to the guest blog, but I&#039;m not sure it appeared. Would you please host it here, and perhaps respond?

Thanks!
Old Hand


Anyone interested in the actual data and  studies underpinning the 4% Withdrawal Rate Rule developed in the nineties in response to Financial Advisors previous claims that 7 to 10% withdrawal rates were &quot;safe&quot;,  might want to go to this link for a very thorough explanation, using the actual source materials: 

http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_Withdrawal_Rates

When the guest blogger claims: &quot;the 4-Percent Rule at some times overstates and at other times understates the amount needed for a safe retirement; at times of high valuations the true safe withdrawal can drop to as low as 2 percent and at times of low valuations it can rise to as high as 9 percent,&quot; it is the belief of most who respond to him over the years he has been claiming this (including myself) that he is either misinterpreting or misstating the studies findings and/or intent. The question the study set out to find was the single rate that would survive all periods for a given interval, and it turns out that was as little as half of what many advisors were suggesting! That was the purpose and the value of the study. Period. It&#039;s results (if not it&#039;s implications) remain completely unchallenged by competent parties as to accuracy, arithmetic, method, and clarity of reporting the findings.

http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Withdrawal_Methods

And finally, the forum at the link is dedicated to a philosophy of investing that is the OPPOSITE of what the guest blogger espouses on his own site. Getting a *full* and balanced picture helps everyone!
http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php

Good investing, everyone! I would suggest that you read much, consider the source of what you read, and ask lots of questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote the following reply to the guest blog, but I&#8217;m not sure it appeared. Would you please host it here, and perhaps respond?</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
Old Hand</p>
<p>Anyone interested in the actual data and  studies underpinning the 4% Withdrawal Rate Rule developed in the nineties in response to Financial Advisors previous claims that 7 to 10% withdrawal rates were &#8220;safe&#8221;,  might want to go to this link for a very thorough explanation, using the actual source materials: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_Withdrawal_Rates" rel="nofollow">http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_Withdrawal_Rates</a></p>
<p>When the guest blogger claims: &#8220;the 4-Percent Rule at some times overstates and at other times understates the amount needed for a safe retirement; at times of high valuations the true safe withdrawal can drop to as low as 2 percent and at times of low valuations it can rise to as high as 9 percent,&#8221; it is the belief of most who respond to him over the years he has been claiming this (including myself) that he is either misinterpreting or misstating the studies findings and/or intent. The question the study set out to find was the single rate that would survive all periods for a given interval, and it turns out that was as little as half of what many advisors were suggesting! That was the purpose and the value of the study. Period. It&#8217;s results (if not it&#8217;s implications) remain completely unchallenged by competent parties as to accuracy, arithmetic, method, and clarity of reporting the findings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Withdrawal_Methods" rel="nofollow">http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Withdrawal_Methods</a></p>
<p>And finally, the forum at the link is dedicated to a philosophy of investing that is the OPPOSITE of what the guest blogger espouses on his own site. Getting a *full* and balanced picture helps everyone!<br />
<a href="http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php</a></p>
<p>Good investing, everyone! I would suggest that you read much, consider the source of what you read, and ask lots of questions!</p>
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