I’ve posted Entry #8 to my monthly column on Valuation-Informed Indexing at the Financial Highway site. It’s called The Market Has a Memory.
Juicy Excerpt: Shiller has shown with his research that the valuation level that applies today affects the price that will apply for stocks 10 years from today and 15 years from today and 20 years from today. The correlation between valuation levels and long-termstock prices is strong and has been strong for as far back as records have been kept. That’s 1870). That’s a time-period of 140 years.
This is a reality that the Buy-and-Holders cannot explain. If it is daily economic and political events that determine stock prices, why would the valuation level that applies today affect the stock price that applies 10 years from today? It shouldn’t. If the market were efficient, the P/E10 value would be a meaningless number. It is impossible to reconcile Shiller’s findings with Fama’s hypothesis.


Comments
Simplicity and What Causes What
People like simplicity and to avoid specifics. “Buy-and-hold” is a very simple message. It does not ask you to think. “Market timing” requires you to be specific. To let “long-term market timing” gain grounds on “buy-and-hold” view, it probably would need a simplification of the message.
Like this article describes, it is also too simple to blame a single group (e.g. bankers) for the economic crisis we are in. But I think it goes too far to say that bull markets cause crises, and that buy-and-hold causes the bull market and therefore the crisis.
– Booms and busts in asset prices are as old as capitalism. Irrational high asset prices go hand-in-hand with other economic aspects of a boom period. They reinforce each other, but it goes too far I think to say that one causes the other. And furthermore, there have been many crises before the 20th century and before buy-and-hold was a term that was known or promoted.
– But yes, a deflation of a stock or other asset bubble, evaporates a lot of paper wealth, reduces the (imagined) spending power and demand and reinforces the crisis economics down like it did on the way up.
Thanks for describing your views that go against the mainstream. Diverse views create better understanding.
Trend Investing – Mar 27, 2011
I’m grateful for your intelligent comment and criticism, Stock Trend Investing.
I agree with you re the facts. Booms and busts are indeed as old as capitalism.
I don’t agree that it follows that they are a necessary feature of capitalism. There was a time when walking around in the darkness was a necessary feature of nighttime. Then we learned how to harness the power of electricity. I believe that we can make a similar advance by learning what causes booms and busts and what is needed to prevent them.
We don’t need to pass any laws. All we need to do is to appeal to people’s self-interest. Every investor alive wants to be an effective investor. What if we provided tools to people letting them know by how many years they are delaying their retirements by failing to take prices into account when setting their stock allocations? I would think that would get things going. Investors’ desire to obtain higher returns at lower risk would do the rest.
I of course acknowledge that there are not millions of people saying this today. The first thing we have to do is to get a discussion of the possibility started. I personally see that as a far more appealing way to go than wasting time getting caught up in all sorts of political frictions. Anyway, that’s where I’m coming from re this thing.
I agree with you that this message needs to be simple to succeed. My view is that the simple way to say it is that looking at the price of a thing you buy is always a good thing, even when the thing you are buying is stocks. To me, that is very simple. I think the complication stems from the fact that The Stock-Selling Industry has spent millions in marketing expenses promoting Buy-and-Hold. Common sense tells people that price matters. But they have heard that opposing message so many times that they have come to doubt what their common sense tells them.
In any event, I am certainly grateful to you for taking the time to read and comment helpfully on this long article. And I do very much agree with you that no single group (bankers or any other) can be blamed for the economic crisis. I blame Buy-and-Hold. But I acknowledge that we are all responsible for the popularity of Buy-and-Hold. It never would have caught on unless it appealed to something basic in human nature. I think that the something basic that it appeals to is our Get RIch Quick impulse. I think that the single biggest project in the investing advice field should be the effort to rein in the destructive power of this basic and universal human inclination to find appeal in Get RIch Quick thinking.
Rob
Rob Bennett – Mar 27, 2011