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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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  • The Buy-and-Hold Crisis
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    • Corruption in the Investing Advice Field — The Wade Pfau Story
    • The Bennett/Pfau Research Showing Middle-Class Investors How to Reduce the Risk of Stock Investing by 70 Percent
    • Buy-and-Hold Caused the Economic Crisis
    • The True Cause of the Current Financial Crisis — Questions and Answers
    • Investing Discussion Boards Ban Honest Posting on Valuations
    • Wall Street Journal Calls Buy-and-Hold a “Myth,” Endorses Valuation-Informed Indexing

Archives for August 2006

In Defense of Mary Poppins

August 31, 2006 by Rob

This time The Little Stinkers have gone too far.

They are now directing their Smear Campaigns against Mary Poppins!

Here is a sampling of community comments put forward during recent discussions of The Poppins Matter:

JohnYaker: As far as John Greaney’s article referenced in the original post, I found it cruelly mean-spirited.

Gregory: You’re right, the article about Rob is very mean-spirited. It’s too bad the author feels the need to do this sort of thing.

OUJohnNasr: That link is mean-spirited, hateful, degrading, but above all, it’s true. Rob, if you are reading this, please do the right thing and get back in the work force. Leaving a $100,000+ a year job at the age of 43 was financial suicide considering the size of your nest egg.

Radioman: When, how and if to retire are determined solely by individual circumstances.

JohnYaker: The article says more about the character of the author than the subject. Reminds me of schoolyard bullying.

Earnabuck: I think Greaney is still steaming because Rob exposed him and his 4% SWR. He gave bad advice and attempts to change the spotlight off of his own recklessness. What a shame, quite petty.

Allan: I think Greaney’s website is full of excellent, specific information, while Rob’s website is like watching Mary Poppins.

CashNCarry: Why on earth would someone advertise their personal life the way he has, I mean he’s created his own personal Truman Show. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Clemcs06: Dude, get a freakin job so you can take your kids to Disney World.

Hocus: Many sites in the personal finance area are far too stuffy. Mary Poppins is the voice of common sense in comparison to some of the oh-so-grave-and-oh-so-self-important voices being heard on Planet Internet today.

Jason375: I am not sure Rob intends for his “advice” to be taken seriously. He likes to challenge the conventional wisdom (lots of posts with titles like “work is not a four letter word”) and get reactions.

Tc101: It takes all kinds. Maybe hocus adds some flavor to the mix.

Allan: The problem I have is that Rob is putting himself out to the general public as a financial expert, questioning the real experts like Bernstein and Scott Burns.

Greg24: I wouldn’t call it retirement to quit your job so you can post 12 hrs a day on the internet. [Editors Note: Ouch!]

Jason375: Greaney is single and managed to accumulate several million dollars for a secure retirement. Rob has millions less and dependents. I guess everyone is free to choose their own experts, lol.

CashNcarry: I hate to admit it, but hocus brings out the worst in me (and some others as well). He reminds me of one of those lifesize inflatable clown balloons I had as a child. You’d step on it’s feet, and whack the tar out of it, and it would go down and spring back up again ready for the next whack.

Arrete: I will not respond to any post directed at me by Rob because I already know he will either play the injured innocent, pretend we’re friends, or twist my words.

Hocus: My friendships are not dependent on what the individual who I have come to think of as a friend believes about safe withdrawal rates or any other investing topic.

Filed Under: Intimidation of VII Advocates Tagged With: Discussion Boards

My Obsession

August 21, 2006 by Rob

There’s a fellow (“Allan”) at the Vanguard Diehards board who describes my interest in knowing whether the stocks that I buy will be able to provide an acceptable long-term value as an “obsession.”

Is he right?

In a way, I guess.

There’s no question but that I wouldn’t think of putting money down on stocks without first taking into consideration the price at which they are being offered. My desire to know the price I pay for stocks, and whether the stocks will be able to provide an acceptable long-term value given the price paid, affects all of my investing decisions. Price and value are pervasive concerns of mine. I suppose that some would say that any pervasive concern can fairly be characterized as a bit of an “obsession.”

We don’t use the word “obsession” when people ask questions about the prices they pay for other sorts of assets they buy, however. Why is it that some employ words with negative connotations to describe the idea of looking at the price offered and the value obtained from purchases of stocks but not from purchases of other assets?

Say that a car salesman talked up the benefits of a particular car and asked you kindly to sign your name to the bottom of the piece of paper he was holding in his hand? Suppose that you asked to know the price that you were agreeing to pay before signing and he responded that this request was a sign of an “obsession”? Would you go ahead and sign the piece of paper without knowing the price, as he was aiming to pressure you to?

I wouldn’t. I would wonder why he was pressuring me. In fact, there’s a good chance that I would walk away even if he agreed to reveal the price at that point. His reluctance to tell me the price would make me concerned whether he was the sort of person with whom I would want to strike a deal. I don’t even like to get involved with people who become hostile when I ask simple questions that anyone putting money down has an obvious need to have answered prior to signing on the dotted line.

Say that it was a house you were buying. Again, say that you asked to know the price and the response of the real estate agent was to say: “This is going to turn out to be a fine purchase for you in the long run, I am sure of it, now please just go ahead and sign without requiring us to waste further time dealing with this obsession of yours to know the price of the house you buy.”

Would that give you a good feeling about the house purchase?

It wouldn’t give me a good feeling. The reality, of course, is that the amount of money you will direct to buying stocks over the course of your lifetime will be a far larger sum than the amount that you will direct to buying cars or houses. The fact that those selling stocks are so defensive about discussions of price should alarm you. Your common sense should tell you that this is an extremely bad sign.

I want to know the price of something I buy before I buy it. You can call me obsessed. You can call me madcap. You can call me O.J or you can call me Ray; you can call me anything, what’s the difference what you say? It ain’t gonna change my take on this one. I want to know the price of something I buy before I buy it. That’s not a rule that applies just to stocks. It applies to stocks too, though. I am not aware of any reason why I should be willing to grant an exception to the usual rule for stocks.

Here is the portion of the article by Cliff Asness entitled Bubble Logic that inspired the riff that I am fumbling around with in this blog entry:

“Let us put our cynical hats on for a moment. Wall Street (buy and sell side) is in the business of selling you stocks, and they do not want you to leave the market. Let us rephrase the advice ‘Do Not Try and Time the Market’ another way. How about, ‘Ignore the Price of What I am Selling You and Buy No Matter What.’ If you think about it, it is the same advice.

“If your salesman told you to ignore the price of any other purchase than common stocks because it will all work out over the long run, you would run clutching your wallet. While perhaps usually good advice, ‘Do Not Try to Time the Market’ cannot mean ignore prices entirely, as in the extreme this is obviously silly. However, making great long-term returns without any imposition of effort or vigilance (i.e., having to watch prices for opportunities or bubbles) is obviously a seductive siren’s call.

“If being price sensitive means timing the market, and timing the market is a cardinal sin, then prices have no anchor to reality. If one is looking for possible causes of a financial bubble, then the ban on market timing must be a prime candidate.”

I see nothing bearish or obsessive in those words. Those are just plain old common-sense observations.

That’s the sort of investing advice that I would like to see a whole bunch more of in days to come. Cliff Asness is telling it straight, and today’s middle-class investor would be well-advised to pay heed to this speaker of straight-talk trying to break through the noisy salesmanship being put forward by too many of the best-known investment advisors (real-estate agents and used car salespeople like to put themselves forward as helpful advisors rather than pushy salespeople too, of course — Are those telling us not to worry our pretty little heads about the prices at which stocks are being sold today all that different?) regularly featured in newspapers and magazine articles and television programs.

I hereby declare Cliff Asness a Hero of the First Rank to the Financial Freedom Community and to the Retire Early Movement.

Filed Under: Investing Experts Tagged With: Stock Valuations

Thinking Like an Employee

August 18, 2006 by Rob

I’ve written an article for the www.writershelper.com site entitled “Book Marketing and the Proposal Doctor.”

Juicy Excerpt: “She strongly urged me to write a more conventional money management book, one that would focus on tips for reducing spending. (My book is more of a “why to” than a “how to” as it argues that the motivation behind the saving effort determines its success or failure and rejects the goal of saving for an old-age retirement as generally ineffective)…. It was her comments that made me decide not to even submit my book to publishers but instead to publish it myself.”

Most first-time authors very much want a contract from a big publisher. It gives them credibility in the eyes of potential readers. I had dreams about the day that I would receive a letter making me an offer to publish Passion Saving. From that day forward, I would have a good answer to the question “What do you do?” The response “Random House is coming out with my book in January” sounds a whole bunch better than the response “I’m trying to sell books from my website.” For obvious reasons.

It sounds better. But I’m not at all sure that it is better.

The reality is that a first-time author usually obtains an advance of perhaps $20,000 or $30,000. If you spent years generating the ideas that drive your book (as I did and as many other authors do), that’s a very small payment on a per-hour basis.

The instant credibility you get from going with a big publisher is worth a lot. That’s for sure. That’s the best argument for going the big publisher route.

The problem is that credibility alone does not sell books. Most books sell few copies. Publishers don’t expect most books they publish to make money. Publishing a book to them is something akin to buying a lottery ticket. They’re looking for the one big one that makes them a million. They know that they need to publish hundreds of others to discover the one that clicks. So they do.

If you end up being one of the hundreds of others, you end up on the remainder table. What does that do for your credibility?

And the credibility you get from going with a big publisher does not come cheap. You give up control over the book. They decide on the cover. They decide on the title. They decide how to promote the book. The author is a hired-hand, and a poorly paid hired-hand at that.

After talking things over with the proposal doctor, I came to have doubts about the idea of trying to entice a big publisher to buy my book. The book argues that saving is the path to freedom, to getting to a point in life at which you begin to call the shots about your future. But here I was, the guy putting forward this argument, begging for crumbs from “the big boys.” Something didn’t fit.

I was thinking like an employee.

By seeking a publisher’s approval of my book, I was giving them power over what would be said in the book in exchange for money. There’s nothing wrong with doing that in the right circumstances. But it should not be the automatic choice.

I decided that the circumstances were not right in the case of Passion Saving. If the book is as good as I think it is, the big publishers will someday come to me. If they come to me, I’ll get a whole bunch more money. And I’ll be able to retain some control over how the book is sold.

You’re not selling books. But you are doing some sort of work in exchange for money. How many of the shots do you call?

As you gain experience and build contacts in your field, you should be becoming more independent, you should be gaining more control over how the work you do is completed. If that’s not happening, you need to be thinking about what you need to do to make it happen.

The point of the Passion Saving approach is that we don’t save money to have our expenses covered when we get old. We save to be free.

It makes sense for us to give up our freedom when we are young because it’s by working for others that we learn what we need to know to do important and profitable work. It’s a mistake to let those years of working for others cause us to think that we always need a sign-off from some higher-up to know which way is the best way to proceed with the work we do.

Sometimes we enslave ourselves. There’s a time for thinking like an employee and there’s a time for going beyond thinking like an employee.

Filed Under: Saving Strategies Tagged With: Passion Saving, Rob Bennett

The Confession Box

August 16, 2006 by Rob

I am a Catholic. That means that I pay regular visits to the confession box.

My guess is that those of other faiths do similar sorts of things. I know that people in 12-step programs occasionally “take a fearless moral inventory.” It sounds like it is something along the lines of a whole bunch of trips to the confession box rolled into one.

There are two things about the confession-box experience that just about everybody who goes through it remarks upon. It feels awful going in. It feels real good coming out.

Most money management advice assumes that we are rational creatures pursuing our self-interest in a more or less informed way. The goal of much of what you read in personal finance guides is to help you become a little bit better informed. Perhaps you didn’t understand just how the rules for taking money out of a Section 401(k) plan work. The guide explains the rules, leaving you prepared to rationally pursue your self-interest in an even better informed way.

All of this is fine so far as it goes. To a large extent, though, it misses the point.

It’s obviously a plus to learn about the Section 401(k) rules. The reality, though, is that just about none of us are rational creatures pursuing our self-interest. We are humans. We are haunted by things we fear. We are excited about our hopes for the future. We often tell lies to ourselves to avoid looking at the things that frighten us and to trick ourselves into believing that our hopes for the future have a better chance of coming true than they really do.

We are liars by nature. A more charitable way to say it is to say that we are rationalizers by nature. Either way you say it, it comes to the same thing. We don’t face truths straight on. We kid ourselves. What a conundrum!

We hurt ourselves when we kid ourselves. I don’t believe that God invented confession so that he could enjoy seeing my humiliation when I have to report my sins to a priest. I believe that God invented confession because he loves me and because he knows that I need it if I ever am to find the right path.

By “the right path,” I don’t mean just the path to heaven. That’s the big one. But I believe that God loves me enough that He wants me not only to be with Him in heaven but to experience a little bit of heaven through the good experiences I have here on good old Planet Earth. God wants me to figure out what I need to do to retire early. God wants me to figure out what I need to do to be able to spend my time doing fulfilling work. God wants me to figure out what I need to do so that I can afford to take my boys to Disney World.

God actually does care about that stuff. And he knows just what I need to do. He would make a great money advisor. He’s got funny ways, though. It’s not like Him just to whisper in my ear the saving tips I need to know about to make these good things happen. God is like one of those professors I had in law school making use of that darn Socratic method thing. He wants me to figure this stuff out for myself.

He wants me to guess. Tha’ts what it comes down to. He knows the answers, but He’s not telling. I don’t know them, so I have to guess. It’s frustrating at times. Still, I have the sense that that’s indeed the way He has set things up.

One of the purposes of the confession box is to help me make better guesses. I mess up. You’re supposed to learn from your mess-ups. I don’t want to learn from my mess-ups, I want to forget about them as quickly as I can. I do this examination of conscience thing that you have to do before you go into the box, and the mess-ups are recalled to my mind. Then I learn from them.

Maybe.

The Section 401(k) stuff is not what matters most. What matters most is developing the habit of being honest enough with yourself that you will make good money allocation decisions, that you will spend when spending is the way to go and that you will save when saving is the way to go.
You learn this from experience. We all have lots of experience spending money. We all have lots of opportunities to learn.

Most of the time, we fail to take advantage of those opportunities. We mess up. We don’t want to think about it. We want to cover up our sins.

It’s a sick feeling you get waiting in line to go into the confession box. It’s not fun.

The money management equivalent is the feeling you get when you have to record in your budget-binder some dumb thing you wasted money on, knowing that your wife (or husband) is going to see it and probably even ask you about it. Who needs this?

You need this, you messer-upper you!

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: fear of money, Money Management

The Rumors About Stocks Are True

August 11, 2006 by Rob

My wife and I were driving down the road the other day and we passed a Ruby Tuesday restaurant. “What was that song supposed to be about, anyway?” she asked. I said that it was about a hippie-chick who was so unwilling to become tied down by social norms that she refused to answer to any one name.

This got me to thinking about stocks.

Stocks are like hippies in that they are always changing their look. In the last three years of the 1990s, the DOW went up by about 30 percent a year. There are other times when stocks go down by just as much. One day you determine that your net worth is such-and-such, and the next day those old calculations are out the window. This is a fickle investment class.

Stocks are never boring. That’s the appeal. But fashions change. Who wants to be caught wearing bell-bottom stocks when straight-leg Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) again become the in thing?

What is the one bit of investing advice that most of the experts seem to agree on? Buy-and-hold, right?

What’s buy-and-hold all about? It’s about making a commitment. The experts are essentially telling us to marry our stocks.

The trouble is — the Ruby Tuesdays of the world don’t generally make the best life partners. We all long to be wild and free. But someone has to bring the car in to get the muffler replaced and she needs to do it at the particular time that the guy who offered to do the job set as the appointment time. I like hippies. But I have come to believe that they got carried away with the freedom thing. What’s the big deal about having a regular name like everybody else anyway?

Stocks are too flighty for my taste. I’m not against change. I’m against too much change. I like consistency too. I look for a nice mix of the two in my investment portfolio.

So here’s what I do. I’ve talked to some people who know about statistics and other jizz-jazz like that and they tell me that stocks have for a long time been generating an annualized real return of 6.8 percent. There are periods of time in which they generate far larger returns (if you are older than my six-year old, you can probably remember those days), and there are periods of time when they generate far smaller returns. In the long run, though, that 6.8 percent number is the number that matters.

My view is that investors should not even count returns greater than that when determining their net worth. Why count on something that isn’t going to be around for long? It’s only going to break your heart in the end to do so. The 6.8 percent return is the real thing. The rest is fluff. Forget her, I mean it.

At times of high valuation, you can’t even count on the 6.8 percent, unless you are willing to wait a long time (at least 30 years). So, at times like today, I move some of my money to more straight-laced asset classes, things like TIPS and IBonds. Stuff that might not come off as being quite as flashy as stocks. But stuff that you can count on to be there for you in times of need. You can see yourself getting old with TIPS and IBonds, and with stocks purchased at normal valuations levels too, can’t you? Today’s stocks are too fast to last.

Stocks are fun. I don’t say different. Sometimes it’s not fun you are looking for. Sometimes you want to have a serious conversation. TIPS and IBonds are serious-conversation sorts of asset classes. I concede that TIPS and IBonds are not glamourous. I think they’re cute as a button, though. As the sage Bruce Springstein once observed: “You’re no beauty but, hey, you’re allright, and that’s allright with me.” He’s a well-recognized authority on the effect of Cool Girls on Asset Allocation Strategies, so I figure he’s probably giving us the straight story.

The thing that always pulls me back to stocks is the 6.8 percent return. You’ll never get a return that attractive from TIPS or IBonds. It’s important to remember, though, that stocks can be counted on to provide a 6.8 percent return in a reasonable amount of time only when purchased at reasonable prices. At those sorts of prices, I love stocks enough to want to marry them.

When prices are at the sorts of levels that they are at today, I get nervous walking anywhere in the vicinity of a church while holding hands with stocks. Make a promise to have and to hold stocks, I mean to buy and to hold stocks, at a time when the P/E10 value is 26, one of the highest on record? Not this boy. Stocks today come with too much baggage. Stocks today are high-maintenance. Stocks today come with secrets from their past that they don’t want you to find out about. I’m not sure I even want to be seen alone with stocks nowadays. We’re old friends and that’s all, okay?

At times like today, I see an inner flame in the sorts of asset classes that some others might dismiss as “mousey.” It’s TIPS that are unforgettable at today’s prices. It’s IBonds that are always on my mind these days. Remember that Eagles song about the guy who found it a peaceful easy feeling to be falling in love because he was beginning the adventure with both feet firmly planted on the ground? Thats TIPS. That’s IBonds.

I don’t say that stocks never tempt me. My view is that stocks need to calm down a bit before they will be marriage material again. They’re still the talk of the town, but much of the talk nowadays comes in the form of ugly rumors. The thing is, they drive too fast and someone is going to end up hurt. Stocks need to learn to walk the line before I am going to bring them home with me to meet mom and dad.

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: Investor Psychology

Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

August 10, 2006 by Rob

What do you know? How do you know it?

You need to know certain things to get from the place where you are when you pull yourself out of your bed in the morning to the place where you are will be when you throw yourself back into it at night. For example, you need to know about gravity. If not for gravity, you would need to dress differently. You might need to wear heavy boots to keep from floating off into space. Gravity matters. Since you know that gravity exists, you keep this reality in mind as you make all of the various life decisions put before you during the course of another day spent journeying through this Valley of Tears.

You do know that gravity exists, right?

No. The truth is, you really don’t.

Have you ever explored the gravity question in depth? Have you ever checked out the claims that teachers and friends and experts have made about gravity? You haven’t. You have taken them on faith.

That’s what humans do. There are thousands of things we need to do to keep body and soul joined. We couldn’t possibly check out each and every little detail of each and every little claim that we elect to take on faith for the purpose of freeing up some time to devote to the things in our lives that we care about most.

I think you made the right choice re the gravity thing. I personally am confident that there really is such a force and that it really does work at least largely as lots of people tell us it does. The conventional understanding of how gravity works is cool.

The conventional understanding of how stocks work is not cool.

Taking things on faith makes sense. It save us an awful lot of time to just assume that, when lots of people say the same thing, they must all be right or at least close enough to being right that we don’t need to worry about it much. There are times, though, when taking things on faith can get you in a whole bunch of trouble. One of those times is when you are deciding how to invest your money.

Here are some words from a community member named “Janey”:

“What Rob said sounds reasonable enough, so I wouldn’t be able to judge his advice without additional input. I must rely on the fact that I don’t hear the authors I trust saying the same thing. The authors I trust seem to agree that returns may be lower in the years to come, but none of them suggest that we should drastically reduce our stock allocations in light of this information….I don’t have time to join the search for ‘the Grail of Investing.’ Besides, I have other priorities in life. So, I have to rely on the judgment of people who make the most sense.”

Janey is telling it straight. She is acknowledging that she is not able to identify any reasons why the Valuation-Informed Indexing approach to investing is not superior to the conventional indexing approach. It sounds fishy to her, though. There are lots of smart and well-informed and well-respected people who say things that are at odds with what I say. So she can’t help but conclude that there is probably something wrong with what I am saying. Given the practical reality that she cannot afford to spend years of her life researching my claims and the counters to my claims advanced by my critics, she has decided to place her confidence in what a lot of smart and well-informed and well-respected people have told her.

Janey believes in gravity. Is that so wrong?

I think it makes a lot of sense. I think Janey is a smart cookie and a nice person too (I am going by what I have read in a few posts she has put forward at the Vanguard Diehards board). I think she is making a mistake to place her confidence in the smart and well-informed and well-respected people in whom she has elected to place her confidence. But I understand why she has done so and I am grateful to her for sharing with us a look into the thought-process by which she made a decision to do so.

Janey makes investing decisions in the way that most smart and nice people make investment decisions. We humans are not computers with legs. We are social animals. We often decide what we think by asking others what they think.

The dominant investing paradigm assumes that we are computers with legs. The dominant investing paradigm says that the stock market is efficient because prices are set by millions of investors acting rationally in their self-interest.

In reality, prices are set by people. People make their investing decisions not rationally (reason comes into it, of course, but reason is not the dominant influence on our investing choices), but by talking with other people. Each time that another human becomes convinced that stocks are “good,” two things happen: (1) stocks become a little less “good” (because that human’s purchases cause the price of stocks to go up and the long-term return obtained by those who purchase stocks in future days to go down); and (2) those who retain doubts about how good stocks are become less sure of themselves as the result of hearing from yet one more fellow human how good they are. In time, just about all the humans that can be reached by telephone or e-mail or radio broadcasts own stocks and prices have been driven so high that we are in one of those rare time-periods when stocks are not so “good.”

Janey has been misled by the smart and well-informed and well-respected people in whom she has placed her trust. Not because they are bad or dumb or uncaring people (athough human failings do indeed play a role in making transparently silly ideas popular for a time). Because they are just as human as Janey is. Being smart and well-informed and well-respected doesnt make you any better at understanding how stocks work than all of your fellow humans who are a bit less smart and a bit less well-informed and a bit less well-respected than you. Janey would be better off listening to her common sense than listening to the people she has come to view as investing experts.

You cannot learn about stocks in the way that you learn about gravity. Why? Because the very fact that so many people have come to like stocks so much is what makes them unappealing. It is because so few question the value proposition of stocks today that stocks have today become such a dubious investment choice for the middle-class investor.

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: investing experts, Investor Psychology

When I Didn’t Post Honestly

August 9, 2006 by Rob

I have never engaged in deliberate deception in my writings. There was a time, though, when I was afraid to be fully honest about what I knew about stocks.

I founded the Financial Freedom Community in December 1999 with a series of posts about the Passion Saving concept that for a time made the Retire Early discussion board at the Motley Fool site the most exciting board on the face of Planet Internet. John Greaney was the founder of that board, and I knew from the first time that I looked at his web site that the methodology he used to calculate the safe withdrawal rate (SWR) was analytically invalid. I had done my own study of SWRs in the mid-90s in preparation for my own early retirement, and I had learned from reading John Bogle’s work that changes in valuations always affect long-term stock returns (and, thus, SWRs).

Early on in my posting career at Motley Fool, I tried to warn my fellow community members of the danger of going with too high a stock allocation when valuations are at extremely high levels. I held back, though, from posting the full truth about SWRs. One reason was that I did not want to suffer the “punishments” that Greaney made clear would be imposed on any community member who asked hard questions about the numbers in his study. Another was that we were just getting the Retire Early movement off the ground, and the last thing we needed was the sort of flame war that posters like Greaney use to block questioning of their claims.

I never told untruths. But I didn’t tell complete truths either. I held back.

Was it all Greaney’s fault? It was not. Greaney took advantage of a situation. But the reality is that Greaney could never have hoped to have had any success banning honest posting unless a good number of other community members were willing either to post in support of his attacks on honest posters or at a minimum to tolerate his attacks on honest posters. The ban on honest SWR posting that applies at that board to this day was a community effort.

Why the heck did our community go along with a ban on honest SWR posting? Don’t aspiring early retirees need accurate information on what the historical data says re SWRs?

Of course we do. And of course we know that we do.

The problem is that we sense that permitting honest posting on SWRs opens a Pandora’s box. Permit honest posting on SWRs, and the obvious next step is to permit honest posting on the question of how valuations affect long-term stock returns in general. Permit honest posting on the question of how valuations affect long-term returns in general, and the obvious next step is —

— the end of the Bull Market.

I’m not kidding.

Bull Markets are times when stocks become wildly overpriced. It is not rational to invest heavily in stocks when they are wildly overpriced. Bull Markets are irrational. All Bull Markets are fueled by some sort of deception or another. Without at least a good bit of self-deception, how could middle-class investors be persuaded to invest in ways contrary to their own self-interest?

The Great SWR Debate was never just a debate about a number. It was always also a debate about the nature of stocks as an asset class and about how to invest successfully for the long run. If Greaney had been found to have been right about SWRs, it would have meant that stocks had become a different sort of asset class than what they have been throughout the last 135 years of U.S. stock-market history. If Greaney had been found to have been right about SWRs, it would have meant that the Stocks-for-the-Long-Run Investing Paradigm had been a paradigm built on solid ground.

It’s not just the conventional methodology SWR studies that have been discredited as the result of our discussions. The dominant investing paradigm of the past 25 years has been discredited too.

That’s why it is so hard for so many to tell the complete and plain truth about SWRs. Telling the truth about SWRs sends you over a cliff. You land in a new and better world than the world you were in before you fell. Still, the fall is a long and scary one.

I knew back on May 13, 2002 (the day that I put forward “The Post Heard Around the World,” the one that kicked off The Great SWR Debate), that SWRs mattered. I didn’t know at the time how much.

Filed Under: Intimidation of VII Advocates Tagged With: Discussion Boards, SWRs

Fear Strikes Out

August 2, 2006 by Rob

I once was afraid that I was losing my hair.

I once was afraid that I would not be able to find another job that I liked as much as the one that I lost in the recession of the early 1990s.

I once was afraid that my grades wouldn’t be good enough to get me into law school.

I once was afraid to call up a girl and ask for a date.

I once was afraid to hand in my resignation from a high-paying job to become a freelance writer.

I once was afraid that disco was never going to fade in popularity.

I once was afraid that, if I played softball, someone would hit an easy fly ball to me and I would drop it.

I once was afraid that I would never stop coughing.

I once was afraid that I would not be able to finish running the marathon I had entered.

I once was afraid that I wouldn’t be able to write a book that met my standards.

I once was afraid of what the Greaney Goons would do to me if I reported to the Financial Freedom Community the truth about safe withdrawal rates.

I once was afraid to kiss a girl.

I once was afraid that I made a mistake by getting out of stocks.

I once was afraid that the judges in my Moot Court competition would ask me a question that I didn’t know how to answer.

I once was afraid that the attack on the World Trade Center might lead to a nuclear war.

I once was afraid that I wouldn’t be able to develop enough sources to cover tax legislative developments effectively for the newsletter at which I was employed.

I once was afraid to get married.

I once was afraid that my boy had broken a bone in his leg.

I once was afraid to confess a sin I had committed.

I once was afraid that dropping out of high school would not look good on my permanent record.

I once was afraid to start my own web site.

Filed Under: Rob Bennett Tagged With: money fears

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