I have for several weeks been reporting at my blog on my 16-month e-mail correspondence with Academic Researcher Wade Pau. The most recent blog entry (posted this morning) was titled: Academic Researcher Wade Pfau (In Response to a Threat by the Greaney Goons to Get Him Fired From His Job for Posting Honestly on Safe Withdrawal Rates): “I Think I Should Stay Publicly Quiet for Awhile As I Really Don’t Want Anyone Sending Messages About Any Topics to Officials at My University.” Wade posted his reaction to the blog entry as a comment to it. His words are set forth below:
Rob,
After months of trying to prop yourself up at my expense, and showing such utter lack of personal integrity in posting the contents of my private emails when I explicitly asked you not to, you’ve finally gotten to your big payoff: the “proof that I’ve been threatened into silence.”
Let’s back up:
-As this whole email history reminds, I was always somewhat confused about your position. I now realize you believe that market valuations can be used to better identify a “safe withdrawal rate.” But I don’t think so. The U.S. experience has been rather unique, and the relationship between past market valuations and withdrawal rates in the U.S. is not necessarily indicative about future withdrawal rates. There is even less historical data to link valuations to safe withdrawal rates than there this is to simply look at what withdrawal rates worked in the past.
-The Trinity study came about as an offshoot of research by financial planners. But financial economists had long known there is no such thing as a safe withdrawal rate from a portfolio of volatile assets, well before the Trinity study was ever written. This means that you didn’t discover anything that wasn’t known before. It is dishonest for you to pull out all these 1.5 year old quotes from me and ignore what I’ve learned and said since then.
-Your blog post today refers to a heated exchange that DRiP Guy and I had at Bogleheads in April 2011. And do you recall what the outcome of that exchange was? That is when I realized that he was right about this whole matter. And so I did not write to the Trinity authors to ask for a correction, I wrote to apologize to them for being too publicly critical of their study, but to also point out some reasons why the limited U.S. historical data may not really be sufficient to have a clear idea about the safe withdrawal rate. I told you that before.
-I’ve said the Trinity study is not helpful for new retirees. You’ve said that this doesn’t go far enough because the study needs to be corrected. But what you really mean is: you want to become rich and famous and you think this will happen if there is a formal process to republish old studies acknowledging you for “discovering” an “error” in them and providing your proposed “correction.” Since you are wrong about the “error” and the “discovery” and the “correction,” I’m not sure how successful you are going to be with this plan.
-Now about this job threat business. You’ve accused DRiP Guy of calling my employer and all sorts of other oddities, but why don’t you just provide a link so that people can judge the accusation for themselves:
http://boards.fool.com/hocus-gets-college-prof-to-question-swr-studies-29265775.aspx?sort=whole
This was still a period of uncertainty about what would happen in Japan after the Great Kanto earthquake the month before, and a new president had also just been installed at my university indicating a shift in power away from the group that had hired me. So you have here what looks like your big triumph… proof I’ve been silenced. However, I quickly recovered from my initial concern and realized that the whole thing was ridiculous. Anyway, there is no threat there. intercst knows how to push your buttons. That’s all. I wouldn’t lose my job even if people did complain about me, and as far as I know, no one ever did email or call my employer. My research has not been impacted by any alleged threats, and it is really insulting and disgusting all of the times you’ve suggested otherwise. And I was still peeved that you misrepresented why I emailed the Trinity authors, which is what caused the whole issue in the first place.
-You owe Mr. Bengen an apology, because it does look like the 2000 retirees are going to be okay after all with 4%. We are getting far enough along in their retirements to see this. While that doesn’t mean that 4% was safe ex ante, it does mean that he did not cause millions of failed retirements, as you’ve explicitly suggested before.
-Finally, you shouldn’t have posted my private emails. That is so unethical. And it really doesn’t help to build you up. Posting my outdated private emails will only give second thoughts to anyone in the future who might have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you about this. I already know your response. You will be outraged. You will suggest that I’ve turned my back on average Americans and sold out to Wall Street. You will remind us all that you’ve been a victim of death threats. You will say that we could have discussions about all of these diverse viewpoints if only some internet discussion boards would be opened to honest posting. You will say that you discovered errors in the 4% rule and that those with a vested interest in preserving 4% have terrorized you for trying to get past studies corrected. As such, you will ignore everything I wrote above. You will just spin my comment as proof that I’m really afraid to speak truthfully. You will do this all in a very long series of comments which may approach 10,000 words in total. But it’s all so tiring and implausible. Please don’t spend your day doing this. Go play with your kids. It’s time to move on.


It is a little disappointing that you have simply cut and pasted Wade’s comment from another thread and added no response of your own to the important points that he raised.
I will respond to all his points, Evidence. This isn’t the place. Wade deserves the space here to make the points he wants to make.
He offers the short version of my responses anyway in his last paragraph. I do indeed believe the three things he imagines I would say in response. He’s right that I would use lots more words to make the points. But I would end up pretty much in the place he describes. So you know the basics of my response.
If things remain on schedule, the last blog entry reporting on my e-mail correspondence with Wade will appear on the morning of July 11, 2012. It may be that I will post a blog entry reporting on my reactions to his words the following day. Or perhaps I will write a column or two about it. Somehow or other, you will get to hear my take. Not to worry!
Rob
He offers the short version of my responses anyway in his last paragraph. I do indeed believe the three things he imagines I would say in response. He’s right that I would use lots more words to make the points. But I would end up pretty much in the place he describes. So you know the basics of my response.
Well you are rather predictable.
If things remain on schedule, the last blog entry reporting on my e-mail correspondence with Wade will appear on the morning of July 11, 2012.
Another month ?! You really are not a big fan of getting to the point are you?
Well you are rather predictable.
The word I would use is “consistent,” Evidence.
I think it would be fair to say that we are communicating the same basic concept with slightly different words.
Another month ?! You really are not a big fan of getting to the point are you?
Um —
Whether we survive this economic crisis is a matter of a wee bit of significance to more than two or three people, Evidence.
My best wishes.
Rob
Whether we survive this economic crisis is a matter of a wee bit of significance to more than two or three people, Evidence.
Dragging out a one year old email correspondence over three months of blog posts will not contribute in any way to us surviving this economic crisis.
Then why the death threats, Evidence?
Why the defamation?
Why the board bannings?
Why the threats to get an academic researcher fired from his job for the “crime” of posting honestly on safe withdrawal rates?
That sort of thing doesn’t happen without a reason.
My take.
Please take care.
Rob
Then why the death threats, Evidence?
— You were the only person who has issued death threats
Why the defamation?
— Accurately describing your works is not defamation.
Why the board bannings?
— Because the board communities felt they would be better off without your contributions
Why the threats to get an academic researcher fired from his job for the “crime” of posting honestly on safe withdrawal rates?
— As the researcher in question has recently confirmed on your own website, there were no threats to get him fired.
That sort of thing doesn’t happen without a reason.
— The death threats, defamation, and firing threats didn’t happen. The bannings were because you a negative influence on the boards.
My take.
— And as always, your take bears no relation to reality.
Please take care.
— And you
Rob
I don’t even see Drip Guy posting in the ‘threat’ thread that Wade linked. I also don’t see a threat – I see a good suggestion. Stay away from crazy people.
The death threats, defamation, and firing threats didn’t happen. The bannings were because you a negative influence on the boards.
Makes sense, Evidence.
Rob
I don’t even see Drip Guy posting in the ‘threat’ thread that Wade linked.
Hard to argue.
Rob