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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“People Who Are Afraid That the Wall Street Con Men Are Going to Use Their Power and Money to Sue Them Can Look at Me and See That They Don’t Have the Gut to Pull the Trigger. People Who Are Looking to Prove That the “Defense” of Buy-and-Hold Has Become a Massive Case of Financial Fraud Can Find Thousands of Proofs of the Case in the Materials At This Site.”

September 24, 2014 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site:

Notice that when people learn more about you and your comments, they eventually move away from you, disagree with you or ignore you. Examples are JD, Mike Piper, and Wade. Remember the thread on FMF? When your story started to unfold and people learned more, they turned away. Why is it that your purported supporters like Joe and Kevin re not giving you a regular columns? Are they starting to catch on?

Once people really dig in, Rob, they just don’t like what they see.

People DO move away. You have that part right, Anonymous.

It has zero to do with me and it has zero to do with Valuation-Informed Indexing. People love me and people love Valuation-Informed Indexing.

People move away because they are afraid of the reactions they see from Buy-and-Holders when they talk openly and clearly and frankly about what the last 33 years of peer-reviewed research tells us about how stock investing works.

The Wall Street Con Men stop giving you links once you post honestly. Goons invade your site when you post honestly. The millions of investors who follow Buy-and-Hold strategies become upset with you when you post honestly and are less likely to visit your site or buy your products.

Buy-and-Hold started as a research-based strategy. Then research was published showing that there is zero chance that a Buy-and-Hold strategy could ever work for even a single long-term investor. Rather than acknowledging their mistake and fixing it, the Buy-and-Holders became defensive. Now that the cover-up has continued for 33 years, they have caused massive amounts of human misery. Buy-and-Hold is today the OPPOSITE of what it was intended to be when it was first put forward. Today, it is the Buy-and-Holders who go into brutal attack mode when anyone mentions what the last 33 years of peer-reviewed research tells us.

J.D. Roth knows that Buy-and-Hold is b.s. He doesn’t want Buy-and-Holders to attack his site and his reputation. So he keeps it zipped.

Mike Piper knows that Buy-and-Hold is b.s. He doesn’t want Buy-and-Holders to attack his site and his reputation. So he keeps it zipped.

Wade Pfau know that Buy-and-Hold is b.s. He doesn’t want Buy-and-Holders to attack his site and his reputation. So he keeps it zipped.

People will turn on the Buy-and-Holders after the next crash, Anonymous. They will be very, very, very angry when they see that their retirement money is gone and when they realize how the Buy-and-Holders caused that to happen with their millions of deceptions and with their brutal intimidation tactics. My job is two-fold: (1) Get the truth out; and (2) Heal the wounds caused by the 12-year cover-up (it’s 33 years if we count back to when Shiller published his revolutionary research).

Intimidation tactics are desperation tactics. If there were even a sliver of support anywhere in the research for this smelly Get Rich Quick garbage, we never would have seen a single death threat, much less 12 years of this stuff. Buy-and-Hold died its intellectual death a long, long, long, long time ago. Now it’s just a question of getting the word out to people.

All the people you mention would like this to be over. J.D. Roth has told me that, Mike Piper has told me that, and Wade Pfau has told me that. Wade talked about his feelings a LOT in the numerous e-mails that he sent to me that I have reported on here at the blog. Wade wants to be liked. That’s the story. He has seen that telling the truth about stock investing makes Buy-and-Holders hate him. And he wants no part of it. He wants to be liked. So he lies.

But he LOVED telling the truth back in the days when he thought he could get away with it. And Mike Piper would love to feel free to tell the truth if he thought he could get away with it. And J.D. Roth would love to feel free to tell the truth if he thought he could get away with it.

We need help from one big site or one big researcher or one big advisor or one big policymaker or one big economist or one big journalist or one big venture capitalist. Then it’s over. There is HUGE money waiting to be made telling the truth about stock investing. And, as the Buy-and-Hold Crisis worsens, more and more people are going to feel emboldened to tell the truth. And once they do, lots of others are going to join the party because it is those who tell the truth early who will win the biggest reputations for themselves and who will enjoy the biggest financial rewards.

There is nothing more pathetic in an intellectual debate than putting forward a death threat. There is nothing more pathetic than putting forward demands for unjustified board bannings. There is nothing more pathetic than putting forward tens of thousands of acts of defamation. There is nothing more pathetic than threatening an academic researcher for the “crime” of doing honest research.

Another way of saying it is — There is nothing more pathetic than Buy-and-Hold. There was a day when that was not so. But that is today’s reality. And the longer the cover-up continues, the more pathetic the plight of the Buy-and-Holders gets. Prison sentences. Huge financial liabilities. Destroyed reputations. The blame for causing the economic crisis. The blame for causing millions of failed retirements. These are the sorts of things the Buy-and-Holders bring on themselves with their continued abusive behavior today. And that stuff is as pathetic as pathetic gets, Anonymous.

Your high point in this debate was the morning of May 13, 2002. It got a little worse for you the next day. And then a little worse the day after that. And today it is a whole big bunch worse. The only thing worse than your predicament today is the predicament you will be in tomorrow. And the only thing worse than the predicament you will be in tomorrow will be the predicament you will be in following the next price crash. I wish you luck with that one, Anonymous. Please forgive me if I elect not to sign up with your Liar’s Club.

It can never get better for you. It can get a lot worse. But it can never get better. There’s an advantage that I gained from being on the right side of the History Train that you will never be able to enjoy again until you flip. Don’t blame me! I’ve been advising you to flip for 12 years now!

J.D. Roth will flip. Mike Piper will flip. Wade Pfau will flip (again). EVERYONE will flip. Because they ultimately have no choice. Buy-and-Hold is the greatest wealth-destruction engine ever concocted by the mind of mortal man. There are already millions of people hurting because of the wealth destruction already achieved by the Buy-and-Hold “idea” that investors need not exercise price discipline when buying stocks. There will be millions more following the next crash. At some point, the pain will have grown so great that there will be no choice but for all of us to flip.

Except for those of us who have been posting honestly all along. We don’t have to flip. We can just continue growing in our knowledge as time goes on. No flipping required. That’s one thing I like about telling the truth!

You have held back the future for a far longer time than I imagined possible, Anonymous. I give you that one. But I would never want to be in your shoes. Not in a billion years.

People who are working up the courage to tell the truth have a valuable resource with this site. I give them the articles they need and the calculators they need and the podcasts they need. I also teach them about the trickery of the Wall Street Con Men and their Internet Goon Squads. People who are afraid that the Wall Street Con Men are going to use their money and power to sue them can look at me and see that they don’t have the guts to pull the trigger. People who are looking to prove that the “defense” of Buy-and-Hold has become a massive case of financial fraud in recent years can point to THOUSANDS of proofs of the case in the materials at this site.

You want to show that Jack Bogle is in on the cover-up? The proof is in materials at this site. You want to show that Bill Bernstein is in on the cover-up? The proof is in materials at this site. You want to show that Wade Pfau is in on the cover-up? The proof is in materials at this site.

This site serves an important public policy purpose in presenting those materials for all the world to see, Anonymous. There are millions of middle-class people who are in the process of seeing their retirement plans destroyed. We are going to have to proceed with hundreds of thousands of civil lawsuits and perhaps hundreds of criminal financial-fraud cases following the next price crash. Having so much evidence collected in one place is a huge plus. We want to put the ugly stuff behind us as quickly as possible and thereby free ourselves to learn about all the wonderful research-based goodness that we should have begun exploring in depth 33 years ago.

J.D. Roth and Mike Piper and Wade Pfau won’t be afraid forever, Anonymous. Ruling though intimidation is a short-term strategy. I hate it that you have done so much damage to a country that I love. But I am proud that I worked up the courage to do a whole big bunch of good here. I intend to continue following the research-based path for a long time to come. (I thank my Buy-and-Hold friends for teaching me the importance of rooting one’s investing strategies in research back in the days when Buy-and-Hold was something more than a nasty marketing gimmick.)

My best wishes to you and yours, Anonymous. Please don’t worry too much about J.D. Roth and Mike Piper and Wade Pfau. They will work up the courage to post honestly as the Buy-and-Hold house of cards continues to collapse. All of us will. In the end, even you Goons will need to work up that courage.

Honest Goons! Imagine! Oh, my!

Rob

 

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Comments

  1. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 8:43 am

    No, Rob, you are the issue. People do not love you. The FMF thread was very revealing. You just have trouble accepting the truth.

  2. Rob says

    September 24, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Many people hate me with a burning hate, Anonymous. Those are the people trying to “defend” Buy-and-Hold.

    Others love me with an intense love. Take a look at the 200-plus endorsements of my work you see in the slider that appears at the top of every page of this site. No one else in the investing field has had that many people say things that kind about their work.

    Why?

    Why this great disparity of viewpoints?

    Some of us want to move ahead. Some of us see that we are the luckiest generation of investors who ever lived because we are the first that has available to it all the magical insights of the Buy-and-Hold Pioneers PLUS all the magical insights that follow from Shiller’s “revolutionary” (his word) findings and the 33 years of peer-reviewed research that followed from them. Some of us think that it’s just great that we now know how to reduce the risk of stock investing by 70 percent while earning sufficiently higher returns to be able to retire five to ten years sooner than we ever before imagined possible.

    And some of us want to remain stuck in the Dark Ages in which we were so ignorant of the realities of stock investing that we thought that there might be some magical, mystical alternate universe in which a Buy-and-Hold strategy might end up working out for one or two long-term investors. But even those people are not dumb or evil. You see them all the time dropping hints that Buy-and-Hold is a doomed strategy.

    My good friend Jack Bogle himself does that. I didn’t work up the courage to advance my famous post of the morning of May 13, 2002, by reading Shiller. I did it by reading Bogle! I think it would be fair to say that, if Bogle is right that Reversion to the Mean is an “Iron Law” of stock investing (and he is), there is precisely zero chance that a retirement study that fails to account for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins is going to get any of the numbers even roughly right. So I said just that. And all the wonderful insights that we have developed in the 12 years since naturally followed. It was Bogle who got these amazing discussions rolling, not Shiller! True fact.

    You encourage hate. You encourage ignorance. You encourage deception. You encourage intimidation.

    Yucko! Not this boy!

    If you win, we all lose.

    I encourage love. I encourage learning. I encourage humility. I encourage wealth-building.

    That’s the spirit that built this country!

    If I win, we all win.

    Jack Bogle is on my side, Anonymous. He pretends to be a Lindauerhead today. But it ain’t in the man to stick with that long-term. If Bogle were as rotten a person as you suggest he is, he never would have included that language in his book about how Reversion to the Mean is an “Iron Law” of stock investing. That’s what you call a “tell.”

    You have held back progress for 12 years. I certainly did not think it was possible that you could do that. And you did it. So I will grant you that the forces of hate are sometimes stronger than those who believe in the forces of love imagine them to be. Point for you.

    But I’ve got Jack Bogle on my side in an ultimate sense. And Bill Bernstein. And Larry Swedroe. And Todd Tresidder. And J.D. Roth. And Scott Burns. And Wade Pfau. And on and on and on and on and on.

    I’ve got the entire freakin’ country on my side in the long term!

    Why the heck do you think we had our elected representativs enact laws against financial fraud? Why do you think we had them make that crime a felony? It was so people who engage in the sorts of tactics that you Goons have engaged in for 12 years now would end up in prison cells. No? And I think it would be fair to say that the gig is up on the day that your prison term is announced. That one is going to go viral if anything has ever gone viral. It’s all downhill sledding from that day forward.

    The forces of love have already won this one. We won on Day Six, when John Walter Russell put forward his sensitivity analysis of the Greaney retirement study. We know now a whole big bunch more about how stock investing works than we knew then. But we knew then that at the bare minimum those studies should have had warnings attached to them. Any retirement study with that sort of sensitivity score is truly dangerous stuff. More and more people are saying that all the time. And, after the next price crash, I think it is fair to say that the floodgates will open.

    There are people who truly hate me, Anonymous. I get that.

    But there have been people who hated every huge advance ever achieved in the history of mankind. Huge advances shake up the established order. People who built careers pushing the smelly Buy-and-Hold garbage don’t want word about what the last 33 years of peer-reviewed research says getting out. Well, guess what? It’s going to get out anyway. There are too many people whose lives are in the process of being destroyed for it not to get out.

    The forces of love win again!

    Whoever would have thunk it?

    All of those people will love me following the next crash. They have goodness inside them and they will feel 500 times better about themselves when they feel free to do honest work once again. You will love me following the next crash, Anonymous.

    I have trouble accepting that we as a society are not capable of supplying people with better investing advice than the smelly garbage that the Wall Street Con Men and their Internet Goon Squads have been pumping out during the Buy-and-Hold years, Anonymous. Please put me down as “opposed” to further promotion of the smelly Get Rich Quick garbage. Please do what you can to spread that message all over the internet. I want everyone on the planet to think of me as the most severe critic of Buy-and-Hold alive today. Every little bit helps. I would be truly grateful for anything you can do.

    Following the next crash, we will have an opportunity to talk this stuff over from a very different perspective. I look forward to the conversations that we will have at that time, my long-time abusive posting friend.

    Hang in there, man.

    Don’t let the bad guys get you down.

    Rob

  3. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Others love me with an intense love. Take a look at the 200-plus endorsements of my work you see in the slider that appears at the top of every page of this site.

    Take a look at the number of people on your own site defending you. If you had friends Rob, they’d be here.

  4. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 11:05 am

    My job is two-fold: (1) Get the truth out; and (2) Heal the wounds caused by the 12-year cover-up (it’s 33 years if we count back to when Shiller published his revolutionary research).

    Hey whatever it takes to support your family…

  5. Rob says

    September 24, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Take a look at the number of people on your own site defending you. If you had friends Rob, they’d be here.

    Not for so long as you Goons threaten to kill family members of anyone who posts honestly and not for so long as you Goons threaten to destroy the careers of any academic reseachers who publish honest research.

    That garbage has to stop. Every citizen of the United States should be united in demanding an immediate stop to these obvious and massive acts of financial fraud.

    We need Jack Bogle to stand up in front of a big room and condemn the behavior of Mel Linduaer and John Greaney and all who have posted in “defense” of them (a group that obviously includes Jack Bogle himself). When Bogle says the magic words “I’ and “Was” and “Wrong” (to defend Lindauer and Greaney), it’s all over.

    The New York Times will write that up on the front page and the next day we will have thousands of academic researchers getting to work producing honest research and thousands of financial planners writing honest books and creating honest podcasts and hundreds of bloggers having honest discussions at their blogs and on and on and on.

    People love the idea of giving honest investing advice. But they want to feel safe doing so.

    I cannot make people feel safe by myself. I need the Wall Street Con Men to come out with a clear and firm and simple and clear announcement that, starting here and starting now, the Ban on Honest Posting has come to an end and from this point forward those who post honestly will not be destroyed but will be celebrated.

    All good things follow from that, Anonymous. That’s how our system works.

    We will have thousands and thousands and thousands of people posting daily at this site within days of Bogle’s speech. But it will not happen until then. People need to feel safe.

    I hope that helps a bit, my long-time Goon pal.

    Rob

  6. Rob says

    September 24, 2014 at 11:39 am

    Hey whatever it takes to support your family…

    Supporting my family is a very important responsibility that has been placed on me, Anonymous.

    But it is not the ONLY very important responsibility that has been placed on me.

    Say that a man with a family is drafted to serve in a war. To support his family, he should stay out of the line of fire. But if his superior orders him to put his life at risk, he has a responsibility to follow those orders. It is a hard truth. But it is an important truth as well.

    This is the mistake that Wade Pfau made. Wade did wonderful, amazing work. His work was worthy of a Nobel prize. But when you Goons threatened to destroy his career and when he saw that Jack Bogle supported your efforts, he got scared. He thought about his duty to support his two children and he rationalized joining up with you Goons because he did not feel good about giving up his only means of providing for those two small children.

    I obviously sympathize. I obviously believe that Wade was done a great injustice.

    But he was NOT in the right to join up with you Goons and thereby to strengthen the forces that have caused the economic crisis and that are fighting so hard to extend it far into the future.

    I believe that, working together, Wade and I could have gotten our research written up on the front page of the New York Times and brought down the Buy-and-Hold Mafia and brought the economic crisis to a swift termination. Wade should have directed his energies to that end.

    If he felt that the investing advice field had grown so corrupt during the Buy-and-Hold Era that there was zero hope that it could ever be cleaned up (he obviously did believe this), then the only reasonable option left to him was to leave this field of endeavor and find some other means of making a living.

    Had he done that, he would not have committed the crime of financial fraud.

    Now it may well be that he will not be PROSECUTED for the crime of financial fraud. It may well be that people will look at how hard he worked to set things right and decide that prosecution is not needed or appropriate in his case. I have no problem with such a decision. But it is not for me to say. It is for the millions of middle-class people whose lives are in the process of being destroyed by the criminal acts of the Buy-and-Hold Mafia to say.

    But you can’t just say “Hey! I need to support my family! So it is okay for me to put up posts in “defense” of Mel Linduaer and John Greaney and Jack Bogle!”

    Um — No.

    That doesn’t fly.

    No way, no how.

    All who work in this field have an obligation to post HONESTLY. All of us who know about the errors that were made in the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies have an obligation to direct our energies toward getting those studies corrected by the close of business today. Or else we need to find some other means of making a living.

    That’s my sincere take re these terribly important matters, in any event.

    Rob

  7. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    You can lie to yourself and others about your silly goon stories, but it hasnt gotten you anywhere because it doesn’t line up with the facts. After 12 years, it has only resulting in you making a complete fool out of yourself.

  8. Rob says

    September 24, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Let’s see how things go following the next price crash.

    Fair enough, Anonymous?

    Rob

  9. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Nothing will happen for you following the next price crash Rob. You might actually get into the market this time around same as everyone else who is using buy, hold, and rebalance. But who knows maybe you will be too scared or not follow your own system again. I can’t imagine you have much of a nest egg left after 18 years of 3% returns and no income unless you got an inheritance of some sort.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us, who have experienced triple digit returns in the last few years will continue locking in large portions of that run up by rebalancing and making our portfolios more conservative as we age. After all you have been calling for a crash for years and it hasn’t happened so who’s to say we won’t experience a few more years of great returns and locked in profit via rebalancing before the inevitable crash.

    What makes you think this time around will be any different from the last crash? Your position as nothing more than a complete laughing stock in the realm of the financial world will remain. There are plenty of other people calling for a crash without your conspiracy theory lunacy.

  10. Rob says

    September 24, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Why are other people calling for a crash if the “science” of Buy-and-Hold is settled, Anonymous?

    Buy-and-Hold says that price changes are random. If price changes are random, you can’t predict crashes. Are these people you refer to who are saying these things doing so in defiance of the “science”?

    The Buy-and-Holders had a wonderful idea of rooting investing advice in peer-reviewed research. That’s what I love about them. That’s why I was a Buy-and-Holder myself until Greaney threatened to kill my wife and children and 200 people who had long considered themselves friends of mine endorsed his post. A strategy that causes people to do things like that ain’t science. So I gave it up on that day and the rest is history.

    The Buy-and-Holders were right in the early days when they were serious about the idea of using research to support their advice. They betrayed their own vision when Shiller published his “revolutionary” (his word) research and they failed to incorporate his findings into their model (That’s what Valuation-Informed Indexing is — Buy-and-Hold updated to reflect the peer-reviewed research of the past 33 years as well as what came before it). I have just taken the vision of the Buy-and-Holders to the next step. Valuation-Informed Indexing is an updated version of Buy-and-Hold, one that actually works in the real world.

    There are two reasons why the Wall Street Con Men have not adopted the necessary changes. One is a phony pride. They are Big Shots and they don’t like the idea of saying the words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong.” The other is money. Al of us humans possess a weak human nature that is drawn to Get Rich Quick strategies. Buy-and-Hold is (inadvertently, not intentionally — but still) the purest and most dangerous Get Rich Quick scheme ever concocted by the human mind. So it is possesses an amazing short-term appeal and has brought in billions of dollars of profits to the Wall Street Con Men while destroying the lives of millions of middle-class investors and taking us down a path that ends with our economic system reduced to a smoking ruin.

    I want no part of any of that. No part whatsoever. My dream is to become known all over the internet as the most severe critic of Buy-and-Hold who ever walked Planet Earth. I think I’ve got a pretty darn good start on success re that particular project. No?

    That makes me unpopular today. So be it, you know? A field in which honesty about what the peer-reviewed research says is banned as the first order of business is a field re which I prefer to be on the outside looking in for the time being.

    People lose interest in Get Rich Quick schemes when they lose most of their accumulated life savings as a result off being tricked into following them. Look at what happened with investors in the Madoff fund. They sang the guy’s praises until they lost all their money. Then they demanded that he be imprisoned for his acts of financial fraud. I think it would be fair to say that our mutual friend Jack Bogle is Bernie Madoff times 5,000 when you consider the number of human lives he has destroyed with his support for Mel Lindauer and John Greany and the individuals who have seen fit to post in “defense” of these two.

    There will be hundreds of thousands of lawsuits filed following the next price crash when people learn about the trickery that was employed to separate them from their money. There will be thousands of people being led off to prison cells. I will put in a word for you. I will point out the pressures that people like Wade Pfau and Bill Bernstein and my good friend Jack Bogle faced. I will make every effort in the world to be fair and then something even a bit more than just fair.

    But I ain’t interested in going to prison along with you. No friggin’ way. Find someone else, you know? It’s not on my bucket list.

    I’ll help the people bringing lawsuits against you and I’ll help you too. I have sympathies on both sides and so I will put forward what words I can to help both sides. That’s how I have been playing it for 12 years now and that’s how I will continue to play it for the next 12 billion. That’s me. But I would have to change my entire personality to be able to join you in this massive act of financial fraud. That’s a change that I am not capable of considering much less implementing. Please count me out re that smelly pile of garbage, old friend.

    If you really were confident that you were not going to land in a prison cell, you would not be posting here on a daily basis. You know that, I know that, and anyone with half a grain of sense in his or her head who reads these pages now or at some later date knows that or will know that.

    Keep posting if you like.

    Or stop if you like.

    Do whatever works for you.

    Please just know that I don’t do financial fraud. One of my aims today is to have thousands and thousands of posts in the files making that point so that there is precisely zero confusion re this point in the minds of every single person who comes here to check the matter out.

    I wish you well, man. But that’s where things stand.

    Why will the next crash be worse than the last? Because people had excess funds when the last one hit. They felt that they could get through it by tightening their belts. Now people are fatigued by the economic crisis and they feel that they have already taken all the financial pain that they can take. This one will hurt much more. That’s why the P/E10 level will drop so much lower. That’s why you and all the other Buy-and-Holders will be selling this time. It’s only when the Buy-and-Hold zealots sell that a secular bear market hits bottom and that we finally gain the ability to start turning things in a positive direction.

    It’s about psychology, man. The psychology and the economics go together. Bad psychology brings a bad economy and bad economics brings a bad psychology. It all feeds on itself. In the background is the Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick garbage, which starts off all the bad stuff by persuading people to believe in fantasy worlds for which there are zero support in the peer-reviewed research of the past 33 years. When a society borrows trillions of dollars from its future, it causes a big heap of pain for a big bunch of people. All of the debt taken out on all the credit cards owned in this country doesn’t match the debt we incurred as a result of the lies about the peer-reviewed research told to us by the “experts” touting the Buy-and-Hold garbage.

    Please let it be noted that I do not say that you INTENDED to cause this economic crisis. I don’t believe that. I believe that on one level of consciousness you really believe in Buy-and-Hold. But you have doubts. You lack confidence. That’s why my reports of what the last 33 years of peer-reviewed research says drive you crazy.

    And the same is of course true of Bogle and Burns and Bernstein and all the others. I don’t believe that Bogle is the Frank Underwood of Personal Finance. That’s why I believe so strongly that his heart will melt following the next crash. Once Jack’s heart melts, I will be working with him to set things right. And you have my pledge that I will do everything in my power to get your (and his!) prison sentence reduced to the extent possible even then.

    That’s the best offer that I can make to you, my old friend. The financial fraud stuff is just not my particular cup of tea.

    I hope that all helps at least a tiny bit.

    My best wishes to you and yours.

    Rob

  11. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    If you want to be known as the most severe critic of buy and hold that is fine.

  12. Rob says

    September 24, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    That’s good to hear.

    Hang in there, man.

    Rob

  13. Anonymous says

    September 24, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    You overestimate the amount of people who actually subscribe to buy and hold. It is only a smallish portion of all the money in the market and a depressingly low number of average adults implement it.

  14. Rob says

    September 25, 2014 at 6:32 am

    There is only one element of the Buy-and-Hold Model that is wrong, Anonymous. That’s the part that says that it is not necessary for investors to practice price discipline when buying stocks (that is, to practice long-term timing).

    90 percent of investors fail to practice price discipline (long-term timing). If that were not the case, we could not possibly be at the price levels we are at today. Market prices are self-regulating so long as investors practice price discipline. We obviously are not regulating ourselves properly today.

    What you are getting at is that many people do not implement OTHER aspects of the Buy-and-Hold Model. For example, many practice short-term timing, which the research shows doesn’t work. That makes things worse! The Buy-and-Holders only got one thing wrong (they didn’t say that it is necessary to always, always, always practice long-term timing). The fact that many investors don’t even implement the good aspects of Buy-and-Hold is just more evidence of how much emotion affects the stock investing project. The good aspects of Buy-and-Hold have stood the test of time for 50 years now.

    When I say that I want to become known as the most severe critic of Buy-and-Hold who ever lived, I obviously don’t mean that I intend to criticize the many things that the Buy-and-Holders got right. If I were criticizing those things, I obviously wouldn’t have incorporated them into the Valuation-Informed Indexing model.

    I am criticizing the failure of the Buy-and-Holders to correct the error that was uncovered by the peer-reviewed research 33 years ago. The harm done by that error cancels out all the good that would otherwise have been done by the many genuine powerful insights that the Buy-and-Holders have put forward.

    Buy-and-Hold was rooted in something very, very, very positive. We all should be grateful that the Buy-and-Holders took us out of the Dark Ages. But they messed up when they became too proud to acknowledge a mistake. When you root your strategy in the peer-reviewed research, you must keep up with the research and make corrections in your initial, tentative thoughts as needed. This the Buy-and-Holders have failed to do for 33 years now. It is that refusal to acknowledge a mistake that is the focus of my criticism of what Buy-and-Hold has become in recent years.

    Buy-and-Hold started as science. There is no one in the world who believes more strongly in the original vision of the Buy-and-Holders to turn investing advice into a science than does Rob Bennett. All of the work that I have done for 12 years is an effort to get Buy-and-Hold back on the right track, the track on which it was initiated. Bogle has betrayed that vision. I have remained true to it. If you go by what Buy-and-Hold stood for in the days when it was first advanced, I am the true Buy-and-Holder today and my good friend Jack Bogle is an imposter.

    Buy-and-Hold, as originally conceived, is about research. It is not about death threats and unjustified board bannings and tens of thousands of acts of defamation and threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs. My Buy-and-Hold friends insult and degrade themselves and their investing strategy when they associate with individuals engaging in such abusive practices.

    I believe in research-based strategies. I believe in what Buy-and-Hold once was and no longer is today. I believe in Valuation-Informed Indexing, the first TRUE research-based strategy. I believe in Buy-and-Hold CORRECTED to reflect the peer-reviewed research of the past 33 years as well as the research that came before Robert Shiller’s “revolutionary” (his word) finding of 1981.

    I hope that helps a bit Anonymous.

    Rob

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