Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:
Of course Shiller holds back (lies) because the goons got to him as well. Right?
Shiller is human like all the rest of us. He wants to be liked. He wants to be respected. He doesn’t want to hurt the feelings of his fellow humans. I would like to see Shiller advance a clear and simple statement that: “the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies are in error and are likely to cause millions of failed retirements unless they are correctly immediately.” That would be helpful.
He’s certainly holding back by not advancing that statement. Is he lying? I think so. He is telling the sort of lie that I told from May 1999 through May 2002, when I knew about the error in Greaney’s retirement study and I didn’t speak up. It’s a lie of omission, not a lie of commission. But if we were looking at any other field of human endeavor, we would certainly call that a lie . It’s hurting lots of people in a very serious way. The intellectual case for saying that the safe withdrawal rate studies are in error is rock solid. Why not say it?
The full reality, of course, is that Shiller has done more than any other human being alive to get us all to a place where none of us will need to lie about these matters ever again. He has told lots and lots and lots of truths about stock investing and he has demonstrated a lot of intelligence and a lot of courage and a lot of love in doing so. So, yes, he is a liar in some circumstances, like all the humans. But he is also a great man and, while calling him a liar out of honesty, we should be sure to emphasize that point in charity as well.
Does that answer your question? Shiller is like all the rest of us. I have done the same sort of thing. Bogle has done the same sort of thing. Pfau has done the same sort of thing. Bernstein has done the same sort of thing. Kitces has done the same sort of thing. Richards has done the same sort of thing. Shultheis has done the same sort of thing. And on and on and on and on and on.
Is it helping us to continue doing this thing, to continue pretending that there is some magical mystical way in which it adds something to the world for us all not to exercise price discipline when buying stocks, that it is okay to tell investors not to do so, to suggest that it might be a mistake to engage in long-term market timing? I sure cannot see how that could be so. I believe that every last one of us will be relieved when we all make it to the other side of The Big Black Mountain, when we all feel 100 percent free to speak openly and clearly and honestly about our views re stock investing just as we do when talking about hundreds of other matters that affect all of our lives.
The problem that we face is that the penalty that the Buy-and-Holders impose on those who speak honestly about the last 37 years of research is so severe and the reward for doing so is so slight that few of us can work up the courage to give voice to obvious truths. And of course the fact that so few do it makes things go a lot worse for the few who do. Once a certain percentage of the population is speaking honestly about how stock investing works, it will become the hip thing to do and then everyone will want to get in on the act and we will achieve advance after advance after advance. That will be super.
That’s obviously not where we are today. We need the penalty for posting honestly to be diminished and we need the reward for posting honestly to be enhanced. If Shiller is right, the constant promotion of Buy-and-Hold strategies is going to cause horrible life consequences for millions of people in days to come. Telling someone that “the safe withdrawal rate you are using was calculated in error and will probably cause your retirement plan to fail” is today upsetting enough to cause that person to vote in favor of banning the person saying that from an internet discussion board. But seeing the money in one’s retirement account drop by 50 percent changes things. I think that we are going to see a change in public attitudes when that happens.
I think that people are going to want to know what happened to their retirement money, they are going to want to know why their lives have been destroyed. I can tell them. That’s my job. I am a journalist and this is a big story. So I will tell them. And then we will have that national debate that I have been saying should have been launched many years ago. And we will sort out all these questions as a people.
I hope that we will engage on these questions in honesty. That’s critical. I also hope that we will engage on these questions in charity. That’s equally critical. I am reasonably confident (but not entirely so) that we will manage to take things to a good place, a place that each and every one of us wants to go to deep in our hearts.
I will be joking around with Robert Shiller in those days. I will say “Robert, you were kind of a liar re that safe withdrawal rate question for all those years, were you not, my good friend?” And he will say in return “Touche’, Rob, but no more so than you were from May 1999 through May 2002, right?” And I will laugh and we will embrace and we will both get back to the business of helping the flawed but generally good humans to overcome the Get Rich Quick urge that resides within all of us and to invest their retirement money more effectively.
Yes, Robert Shiller is a liar. Because he is one of those darned flawed humans. He is also a great man, one who has done more to advance our understanding of how stock investing works that any other human alive on the planet today. So I for one am willing to cut him a tiny bit of slack.
I hope that helps a small but, dear Goon friend.
Rob, Good Friend of the Great Liar Robert Shiller


“I will be joking around with Robert Shiller in those days. I will say “Robert, you were kind of a liar re that safe withdrawal rate question for all those years, were you not, my good friend?” And he will say in return “Touche’, Rob, but no more so than you were from May 1999 through May 2002, right?” And I will laugh and we will embrace and we will both get back to the business of helping the flawed but generally good humans to overcome the Get Rich Quick urge that resides within all of us and to invest their retirement money more effectively.”
You really believe this? You think you will actually be talking to Shiller?
I do.
Everything that has happened to me over the past 17 years is powerful evidence that Shiller is right re his “revolutionary” (his word) ideas about how stock investing works. Shiller presented the theory but held back from discussing the how-to implications of the theory. I explored the how-to implications of the theory. Good for me, you know? The theory doesn’t help anyone until people come to understand the how-to implications. The work that I have done plants Shiller’s theory in the real world. That’s a very important advance,
Yes, I believe that I will be talking things over with Shiller when we all work our way to the other side of The Big Black Mountain, in the days following the next price crash. I believed that Shiller and I would be talking things over with our good friend Jack Bogle in those days too and that we would all be enjoying working through these amazing advances together. It of course saddens me that it is no longer possible that Bogle will be a part of that exciting discussion. However, we will be giving him credit for all of his many powerful contributions and making sure that everyone knows that we couldn’t have done the work that we have done had Bogle not laid the foundation for the advances with his earlier contributions.
If you didn’t think that my work was of great importance, you never would have advanced a single death threat or a single demand for a single unjustified board banning or a single act of defamation or a single threat to get a single academic researcher fired from a single job. If you didn’t think that my work was a major advance, you would never have felt threatened by it. So deep in your heart you believe that I will be working with Shiller and lots of others in the days following the next price crash too. You just can’t bear to acknowledge that you made a mistake in thinking that it really is not necessary to practice price discipline when buying stocks. So you play a stupid game of acting like this stuff doesn’t matter. It matters. Big time.
Shiller knows that, and when he feels free to say so openly and clearly and firmly, I will be working with him to advance the ball as far and as quickly as we are able to advance it. Why wouldn’t I want to do that? And why wouldn’t he want to do that?
After the next crash, why would ANYONE not want to do that? All of the appeal of the Get Rich Quick garbage disappears after the Pretend Money has gone “Poof!”
Rob
People can advance death threats for all sorts of reasons other than ‘Rob Bennett is doing important work’. They could just find you extremely unpleasant and/or annoying.
Why would the statement “I believe that the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research is legitimate research” be sufficiently annoying as to provoke a death threat unless there were some concern that that research is important? The death threat arises in response to the pain experienced when a reality that you want to suppress is given clear and persistent expression.
I understand that I make you feel pain. I am saying that the fact that my words make you feel pain is significant. The pain evidences itself because there is a part of your brain that wonders whether the stock market might work like every other market that exists — price might matter big time, exercising price discipline might be essential. To go on about your daily business without making any change in your investment strategy, you need to silence discussions causing you to doubt your strategy of price indifference. If you had complete confidence in that strategy, the possibility of advancing a death threat would never even occur to you. If you were as sure about Buy-and-Hold as you pretend to be, you would not find my words so annoying. You would ignore them.
The fact that you and a good number of others find my work so distressing suggests that my work is of great importance. You don’t respond to all words with which you have some disagreement with death threats. What is it about my words that make them so annoying to you that you respond with death threats? Why does Valuation-Informed Indexing bother you so much? Why can’t you walk away from a statement that ” the safe withdrawal rate is a number that varies, depending on the valuation level that applies on the day that the retirement begins” without feeling a need to respond in some way? Why does my stuff bother you so darn much?
Rob