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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“Thousands of Experts Who Heard People Calling the Number Generated By the Study the “Safe Withdrawal Rate” Never Corrected the Record — Why?”

April 24, 2011 By Rob

Yesterday’s bog entry set forth the text of a comment by researcher Wade Pfau in which he advanced the idea that “perhaps the Trinity study was not meant to be a safe withdrawal rate study.” Set forth below is the comment that I posted in response:

The study uses a word very similar to “safe,” Wade. I believe the word it uses is “sustainable.” People just shortened that to “safe.” The two words mean essentially the same thing. A 4 percent withdrawal rate is no more sustainable than it is safe for retirements that begin at times of high valuations.

There are millions of people who are likely going to suffer failed retirements because of the demonstrably false claims put forward in the Trinity study, Wade. We have also seen numerous discussion boards burned to the ground because the authors of discredited studies and calculators based on the Trinity study did not want people to find out about the errors they made in them. The Trinity study and all the studies and calculators based on it should have been corrected when the errors in them were first made public (May 2002).

You are suggesting that the thousands of experts in this field who heard people calling the number generated by the study the “safe withdrawal rate” never corrected the record — Why? This doesn’t add up. If this was just a question of people using the wrong word, someone would have spoken up many years ago.

The reason that the authors of the study got the numbers so wildly wrong is that the authors of the study believe in the Efficient Market Theory. Under the Efficient Market Theory, stocks are always priced rationally and properly. Thus, both overvaluation and undervaluation are meaningless concepts.

We know that this is the reason for the errors because this same error (a failure to account for the effect of valuations in an investing analysis) was made in the examination of many other questions. For example, you see this error made in 90 percent of the analyses you see relating to what stock allocation is best (see, for example, the entire book Stocks for the Long Run).

Are we going to say that there was some mistaken terminology used throughout the entire book Stocks for the Long Run? No. Siegel was influenced by the Efficient Market Theory into thinking that there is no need to consider valuations when setting one’s stock allocation, just as the authors of the Trinity study were influenced by the Efficient Market Theory into thinking that there is no need to consider valuations when planning one’s retirement.

The error at the core of the Efficient Market Theory is fundamental. It has influenced every aspect of investment analysis for decades now. It needs to be corrected, not rationalized.

I agree with you 100 percent that the intent of the authors of the Trinity study was to point out that 7 percent withdrawal rates are not safe. The same is true of the authors of the follow-up studies and calculators. When you talk about intent, you move from the objective realm (the study gets the numbers wrong) to the subjective realm (the authors were trying to do a good thing). There’s no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the people promoting the Efficient Market Theory (perhaps every last one of them) have good intent. It’s possible for someone to have good intent and still get something wrong. That’s what has happened here.

The real trouble has been the difficulty that people have experienced acknowledging the error. It is only by acknowledging that we don’t know everything that we are ever able to learn anything new. So discovering errors we have made opens up wonderful growth opportunities. The question we should all be reflecting on is: Why is it that in the investing field it is so darn hard for people to acknowledge obvious analytical errors (Shiller published research in 1981 showing that valuations affect long-term returns)?

I believe that, ironically, the reason is because investing is so darn important. If the errors didn’t matter, the people who made them would be happy to correct them. The errors we are talking about here are HUGE in their effect. It is the widespread promotion of Buy-and-Hold investing strategies that was the primary cause of the economic crisis. As you point out, the people who published these studies did so with good intent. Now they are being asked to acknowledge that errors they made played a big role in causing the second biggest economic crisis in U.S. history. That’s a lot to swallow.

To understand how humans react when they are faced with having to swallow that much, you need to go outside the literature published in the investing area or even the economics area and read the literature published in the field of human psychology on the phenomena of cognitive dissonance. Widespread cognitive dissonance is the only possible explanation of the behavior we have seen from so many otherwise good and smart people over the course of the past nine years.

Should we be charitable to people suffering cognitive dissonance? Of course. Obviously. They are fellow humans in pain. Our job is not to make them feel bad but to take them to a place where they can begin for the first time in a long time to feel a whole big bunch better.

Is it an act of charity for us to engage in word games that permit us to pretend a little while longer that the studies are not in error? It is not. That is an act of cruelty.

The next step is another price drop of 65 percent. A price drop of that size on top of what we have already seen is likely to put us in the Second Great Depression. How are the authors of the Trinity study (and all those who have put forward convoluted rationalizations on their behalf over the course of the past nine years) going to feel about themselves after they are forced to add to their record that they caused the Second Great Depression because they were not able to work up the courage to say the words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong” about a numerical error they made in a retirement study? Putting off recognition of the error just makes things far, far, far worse than they already are.

There IS a life-affirming way to proceed. The ultimate reality here is that we now have available to us the most effective investing strategy the world has ever had available to it (Valuation-Informed Indexing). If we could publicize VII, we could restore the confidence of middle-class workers that their retirement plans are going to work out. If we did this, we would be within six months looking at this economic crisis in the rear-view mirror. I think it would be fair to say that, once we did that, there wouldn’t be too many focused on any of the boo-boos made at earlier times.

And there’s more. When people wrote the history of how we got to the wonderful place that we can all go to for the price of acknowledging that humans are still capable of making mistakes, they would need to acknowledge that the authors of the Trinity study (and all the follow-up studies and calculators) played an important role in getting us there. Humans don’t learn all there is to know about a subject in one attempt. As you point out, the Trinity authors taught us something important — that 7 percent is not safe. People who came later built on that work and taught us even more — that even 4 percent is not safe at times of insanely high valuations and that even 9 percent is safe at times of insanely low valuations. No, the Trinity authors did not say that in their study. But they played a key role in the story and fair-minded people are going to acknowledge that.

But they can’t very well acknowledge it today, can they?

They can’t acknowledge it today because it isn’t so today. It isn’t so because we cannot move forward to learning what we need to do to enjoy far higher returns with far less risk UNTIL WE GET ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING A NATIONAL CONSENSUS THAT VALUATIONS AFFECT LONG-TERM RETURNS, THAT THE EFFICIENT MARKET THEORY IS THUS INVALID AND THAT BUY-AND-HOLD IS THUS (HOWEVER MUCH THIS MAY BE CONTRARY TO THE INTENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME UP WITH IT) THE PUREST AND MOST DANGEROUS GET RICH QUICK SCHEME EVER DEVELOPED BY THE MIND OF MORTAL MAN.

That’s the price of admission, Wade. I don’t say that because I am a meanie. I say it because I am an anti-meanie. There is no other way to take this to a good place. I have spent every day of the past nine years trying to think up some other way, some way that lets people not have to say The Three Magic Words, and there simply is no other way. If we can reach a consensus that The Three Magic Words really must be spoken, we thereby enter a very magical place for all of us — high investment returns at minimal risk, huge economic growth, an end to the economic and political crisis, thousands of new studies and calculators and blogs and books and discussion boards that describe strategies that actually work in the real world. If we cannot work up the courage to do that, we in all likelihood bring on the Second Great Depression and only the devil himself knows what horrors follow from that.

I say that the Trinity authors got all the numbers wildly wrong. Not by intent. They were in the company of a whole big bunch of good and smart people in thinking that the Efficient Market Theory was valid. But it is not. There is now a mountain of evidence showing that valuations affect long-term returns and precisely zero rational grounds for believing otherwise. I believe (strongly) that we all need to move on.

Scott Burns once told me that he viewed my effort to let middle-class investors know what the historical data really says about safe withdrawal rates as “catastrophically unproductive.” I don’t agree with Scott re this one. I see the efforts of all those (including Scott) who have helped with the cover-up as “catastrophically unproductive.” I love learning. That’s why I became a journalist. I love asking questions, learning the answers to them and sharing what I have learned with others. It fills my heart with joy that we have learned so many wonderful things about how stock investing really works during the first nine years of our SWR discussions. My strong hunch is that we will all be working together to learn a whole big bunch more in days to come. I very much look forward to the experience.

I have a funny feeling you are going to be right in the middle of all the good, exciting stuff that will soon be going down, Wade. We are getting close to the time when the real fireworks (the good kind!) begin! Let’s all let that in and put this ugly rationalization junk behind us once and for all.

Rob

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Comments

  1. arty says

    April 25, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Rob,

    Here is some PE/10 mentions for you, including that interview with Shiller and Siegel I mentioned. Always nice to see a Shiller appearance. Just passing it along for you interest:

    The Shiller/Siegel interview gets interesting about 3.5 minutes in. The transcript text is to the right. I was surprised to hear Shiller recommend as much as 50% stocks for a long term investor now.

    http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000017391
    —-

    Some other comments on PE/10

    http://oldprof.typepad.com/a_dash_of_insight/2011/04/shiller-explains-how-to-use-his-trailing-pe-ratio.html

    And from the March 2009 Lows:
    http://oldprof.typepad.com/a_dash_of_insight/2009/03/searching-for-the-bottom-valuation.html
    —-

    And some critical reviews of PE/10 based on depressed earnings, write-downs, etc:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-shiller-pe-ratio-2011-4

    http://www.businessinsider.com/5-reasons-the-famous-shiller-pe-ratio-is-out-of-date-2011-2

    Thought these links might provide relevant discussion for your blog,

    Peace,

    Arty

  2. Rob says

    April 25, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Super stuff. Those are A+ links, Arty.

    We need much more discussion of how to IMPLEMENT Shiller’s findings.

    The old professor guy is right that people misinterpret Shiller. Shiller does NOT say that P/E10 can be used as a signal to go all in or all out.

    But I have to say that I think Shiller himself is inconsistent in his statements. Prices in early 2009 were very good. If you are going to say that 50 percent stocks makes sense today, then something a lot higher than 50 percent stocks made sense in early 2009. And Shiller was saying at the time that he was out of stocks and would not get back in until the P/E10 was under 10! So I think it can fairly be said that Shiller contributes to the confusion that surrounds consideration of his very valuable tool.

    I personally see no merit in the points made in the two Business Insider articles. But it is good that they will prompt discussions and help people to see the other side. They are not mushy pieces. They argue for a strong point of view. That’s a plus, in my assessment.

    I am going to plan to write one of my Value Walk columns on the Shiller comments in the video. He doesn’t talk about implementation often. This is perhaps the most expansive I have seen him on that topic.

    Thanks again.

    Rob

  3. arty says

    April 25, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Rob,

    I agree with you on all the above—yours is a good reporter’s take on the synthesis of all that disparate info. This is great fodder for a dedicated blog entry.

    And good catch, as Shiller DID say he was waiting for P/E 10 (during the March lows) but *now* said that he went in a bit at P/E 13. I was surprised to hear him say this, disappointed even, in this interview, which I saw live the moment it happened. Numbers do seem to have magic, in this area, yes?! Get him to commit to a number—a prediction— is what the people want, and clearly CNBC reporters.

    And yes, Shiller an individual also and how he uses even his own tool is personal preference. That is, a scientist—the inventor of the tool—is still an emotional individual, and maybe inconsistent too, flawed, human. Shiller also seems uncomfortable in interviews; I hear that in his voice on radio but its more pronounced in video. But that is all OK. It is how we, as individuals, use his research. Hey, Bogle invented indexing and yet *still* holds some active funds! So it’s all up to us…

    The “negative” comments talk (Business Insider) about depressed earnings due to the write-downs and such. Now there may be something to that (I heard Swedroe say something similar). But, I’m unaware of research that would use such analyses to refute Shiller’s work. As such, it remains an interesting point, worthy of respect, albeit speculative. So, if you think that matters, maybe you apply a modifier to you P/E 10. Otherwise, ignore it and work your own plan absent the noise. That’s my take-away on it.

    Also, and again you are right, many see this as an all-in or all-out proposition and clearly that is not the case and should not be the case, maybe even at extremes. For example, today, taking my personality plus my assessment of valuations into account, I still sit at 30%. I’d likely remain there—unchanged—for a very long runup. I won’t get killed in another downturn and yet I participate in market advances, as even “irrational” advances must be respected.

    As an aside, “only” 30% stocks sounds small. It isn’t. The last 40 years saw 30% equities plus 70% Intermediate Treasuries have a Cost-adjusted Gross Return of 9.04% and a worst yearly loss of -4.17% in 1974.

    Finally, I agree the *implementation* stuff is where the beef is. You mentioned in blogs and podcasts that this is where most questions were rooted. And you rightly pointed out that there were no easy answers, certainly no one right answer for all individuals. Still, you later gave reasonable examples, Norbert gave his, Wade his.

    I think you could pull all those together into an “implementations” article. But I would not sweat it much. You were right to approach this question as you originally did and you did catch up and give your take. That’s all you can do as there is no one answer for all, just general guidelines at best.

    Good stuff here…

    Arty

  4. Rob says

    April 25, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I agree with the vast majority of what you said in that comment, Arty. In the parts where I did not personally agree, I thought you made intelligent and perceptive points that other community members need to take into consideration.

    I am going to write an implementation piece focusing on Shiller’s comments. My guess is that I will write it for the Value Walk column. I will of course link to that column in the blog.

    Rob

  5. Jennifer Barry says

    April 25, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Hi Rob, that’s amazing that you mention cognitive dissonance because I was just thinking about that right before you wrote it! I agree, the longer you believe something, and the more important it is, the more reluctant you are to change that belief. Who wants to believe they were wrong about investing for decades and that they messed up their retirement fund? I think that’s why your writing attracts such vitriol. It’s so much easier to rationalize away any doubts and point to the majority opinion backing you up.

    It reminds me of the book “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.” In investing the crowd is usually WRONG. The Efficient Market idea assumes that most people are acting rationally, and you can see the problem with that.

  6. Rob says

    April 26, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Thanks for stopping by, Jennifer.

    I agree with all you say here. There’s nothing that I have ever said that should cause any pain for anyone alive on Planet Earth today. I told people the accurate numbers for safe withdrawal rates. That’s a good thing! It’s certainly not a bad thing.

    People are in pain. Nothing could be more clear. But nothing Rob Bennett has ever said is the cause of this pain.

    The cause of the pain being felt by the Buy-and-Holders is the realization on some level of consciousness that they have lost so much money and made their lives so much poorer by following foolish investing strategies. My aim is to help them overcome this pain and to invest more effectively in the future.

    The thing that makes all the good stuff happen is when they say those Three Magic Words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong.” They very, very, very, very much do not want to say those words. But they MUST say them. If they don’t say them, the economic crisis grows deeper and deeper and their pain grows worse and worse.

    Once we come to understand that the three words must be said, the charitable thing is to do what we can to see that they are said as soon as possible. Once the three words are said, it’s all groovy, wonderful, fun-in-the-sun stuff. There is nothing hard about any of this once we work up the courage to say the three words.

    It’s just far higher returns than we ever thought possible before and dramatically less risk than we ever thought possible before. Good stuff piled on top of good stuff piled on top of good stuff piled on top of good stuff. What a terrible meanie I am to want to see all that good stuff become possible for my friends!

    Rob

  7. Alex Hung says

    April 26, 2011 at 8:22 am

    A well written blog! Thanks for sharing.

  8. Rob says

    April 26, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Thanks for those kind words, Alex.

    If you’re able to help, I’d be grateful if you would contact me. My e-mail address is: hocusreports@verizon.net My telephone number is: 540-751-0685.

    Thanks for taking time out of your day to stop by and share your thoughts in any event.

    Rob

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  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "Mel [Lindauer] Continues With His Criticism, Which Does Have Some Merit, But Which Means That We Can't Really Use Historical Data to Study Any Issue At All" 0 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 31, 2011. My response, sent the same day, is set forth below. Wade: Thanks much for sharing your thoughts. There was some good stuff in the Bogleheads thread. I of course think  that there would have been a lot more good stuff in it if honest posting were permitted there (I don't mean just for me, I mean for everyone). I especially liked the chart that Fred Flintstone provided with the…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "I Do Not Wish to Antagonize the 'Goons' Too Much... I Do Not Want Them Working Behind the Scenes To Derail Me...I Did Warn the Editor of the Journal of Financial Planning That They May Receive Some Hate Mail After I Mentioned Your Name in the Safe Savings Rate Paper"" 24 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 2, 2011. On May 16, 2011, Wade put a post to his blog endorsing the idea of permitting honest posting on safe withdrawal rates. He stated: "“Retirees now frequently base their retirement decisions on the portfolio success rates found in research such as the Trinity study. Studies such as those are fine for what they accomplish: they show how successful different withdrawal rate strategies were in…

  • Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: "Wade Pfau Has Never Recommended Market Timing to Anyone. Read His Books and Website." 2 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of  a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Wade Pfau has never recommended market timing to anyone.  Read his books and website.  You are broke and divorced.  Learn from it. The entire paper, which has Wade's name on it, makes the case for market timing. He never retracted that paper, even when he was threatened. In contrast, there is not one research paper showing that long-term timing does not…

  • "There Certainly Was No Doubt in Wade's Mind at the Time That I Was the Co-Author of the Research Paper We Prepared Together, He Was Entirely Open and Free About Saying It Multiple Times. And We Have a Published Record of Him Doing So Available to Us Today to Confirm What Indeed Happened." 4 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: You are offering a hyper-technical way of looking at things. I agree that in ordinary circumstances a mention in a credit line would not make one a co-author of a paper. In this particular case, the mention in the credit line was a tiny recognition of a much bigger reality. What matters is whether Wade thought of us as co-authors at the time the paper was…

  • "Wade Pfau Felt (Quite Understandably) That His Career Was at Risk If He Continued Down the Road That He Was Travelling When He Worked With Me, So He Got Off of That Road. He Was Proud of the Work That We Were Doing and He Admired My Work. He Said So Scores and Scores of Times. But He Did Not Want to See His Career Damaged and So He Chose a Different Course. I Think That He Made a Tragic Choice. I Don't Think That Any Researcher Should Ever Have to Worry About Such Things. I See It As a Serious Imbalance in Our System That Needs to Be Corrected." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: He is doing what he wants to do. Stop making things up. I'm not making things up, Sammy. I exchanged scores and scores of e-mails with Wade during the 16 months in which we were working together. I have posted the texts of most of them at my web site. He was like a kid in a candy store in the days when he was learning about Valuation-Informed Indexing…

  • Wade Pfau: "I Was Trying to Pay Tribute to Your Accomplishments in What I Knew Would Be a Hostile Environment" 4 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry contained the text of an e-mail that I sent to academic researcher Wade Pfau on Dec. 16, 2010. Wade sent me an e-mail in response saying that: "I'm sorry for offending you. I've removed that post from Bogleheads. I will think about adding a new post to start over later and to express your accomplishments differently." Wade told me that he did not view his post as defamatory. He said that he had read enough material at the Bogleheads board to know that I was not well…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #3 -- Those Infuriating Peer Review Reports That Crushed Wade's Hopes of Revolutionizing the Field of Investment Research 0 Comments

    The Greaney Goons threatened to send defamatory e-mails to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's employer to get him fired from his job. Wade had seen how the Goons operate up close and personal at the Bogleheads Forum and at Goon Central and at my site. He knew they were capable of following through on their threats and desperate enough to try just about anything. He expressed his worries to me re how the Goons might destroy his career. All that said, I do not believe for two seconds that the…

  • "Despite the Betrayal, Wade Pfau Is Doing Good and Important Work. He Is Opening Minds. Wade's Ideas Cannot Prevail Until We Work Up the Courage to Take on the Buy-and-Hold Mafia. So Wade and I Are in an Ultimate Sense 100 Percent on the Same Side." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site: “Well, I an entitled to a whole big bunch of glory re this matter, no?” No. Wade on the other hand seems to be getting a whole big bunch of glory as the leading authority on SWR, given his latest in the Wall Street Journal: http://blogs.wsj.com/experts/2015/01/20/how-much-can-you-safely-spend-in-retirement/ Didn’t read it, did you? It’s really a shame that your jealous rage is…

  • "No One Should Ever Feel Afraid That His Career Will Be Damaged in Even a Tiny Way Because He Shares His True Beliefs re How Stock Investing Works. All of Us, Buy-and-Holders and Valuation-Informed Indexers Alike, Should Be Making It Our Top Priority to Insure That the Days When Something Like What We Saw Happen With Wade Pfau Can Never, Ever, Ever Happen Again." 7 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: "the e-mails in which he expresses his fears of you Goons are posted at my web site." Not true, as you well know. http://arichlife.passionsaving... "I wouldn't lose my job even if people did complain about me, and as far as I know, no one ever did email or call my employer. My research has not been impacted by any alleged threats, and it is really…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #10 -- Brief Responses to Miscellaneous Points 2 Comments

    Set forth below are my responses to a number of points made by Wade that can be addressed with a limited number of words. It is hard to have public communications with you after all the attacks you made toward me at your blog following the Bill Bengen incident. I said that Wade was not posting with complete honesty. His position was that Bengen got the numbers wrong in his retirement study (Bengen himself acknowledges this) but that there was not need for Bengen to correct the…

  • "The Most Significant Idea That Wade Pfau Puts Forward in the Article Is the Idea That Valuation-Informed Indexing Worked From 1870 Until 1996 and Then Stopped Working. I Don’t Buy It. You Have to Ask -- Why?" 2 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Not sure if you have seen this Wade Pfau: The 4% Rule Is No Longer Safe Episode Summary The noted retirement researcher discusses how pre-retirees and retirees can adjust their plans in times of market stress. https://the-long-view.simplecast.com/episodes/wade-pfau-9Z7_8m/transcript Thanks much for providing that link, Evidence. Wade makes about 20…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #18 -- The Problem Is That Not One Buy-and-Holder Today Has Confidence in Buy-and-Hold 2 Comments

    I would be embarrassed. If someone on "my side" put forward a death threat, I would cringe. If someone on "my side" engaged in defamation, I would disassociate myself from the comments. If someone on "my side" sought unjustified board bannings, I would object if the site administrator went along. If someone on "my side" threatened to get an academic researcher fired from his job, I would rush to put up comments saying that I want to know what that academic researcher really believes, that…

  • Rob Bennett to Wade Pfau: "It is 100 Percent Wrong That People Posting at Bogleheads Feel Intimdated re Posting My Name.... By Using My Name, You Help Others Get Over Their Feelings of Intimidation" 2 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry described two emails that researcher Wade Pfau sent me on December 18, 2010. It also set forth the text of my response to the first of those e-mails. The text of my response to the second of those e-mails is set forth below. Wade: Thanks for putting an apology in the new post. That's fine. I think it is especially good that you mention my name in the new post. It is 100 percent wrong that people posting at that board feel intimidated re posting my name. It…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau (In Response to a Threat by the Greaney Goons to Get Him Fired From His Job for Posting Honestly on Safe Withdrawal Rates): "I Think I Should Stay Publicly Quiet for Awhile As I Really Don't Want Anyone Sending Messages About Any Topics to Officials at My University" 5 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on April 5. 2011. I sent Wade an e-mail on April 18, 2011, reporting that The Returns Sequence Reality Checker had been released. Wade said that the calculator looked great. He asked: "Have you been following the Trinity study thread at Bogleheads? DRiP Guy had a bit of a temper tantrum over the weekend" I responded that: "Things move forward at an exceedingly slow pace. But I did detect forward…

  • "It Was Wade Pfau's Intention and It Was My Intention to Get the Peer-Reviewed Research That We Prepared Together Featured on the Front Page of the New York Times. We Are Still Going to Do That. We Will Do It Shortly After Your Prison Sentence Is Announced. That Day Will Be Known for Generations to Come as the Second American Independence Day." 4 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Is it your opinion that banning you from the boards is a felony and that it is the leading cause of the financial crisis? I am not the only one who has been banned, Anonymous. And there are a great number who have not been banned but who have been intimidated into silence or into self-censorship. Wade Pfau spent many years in school earning his Ph.D. in…

  • "I Put Up a Post Reporting on the Errors in the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Many Years Before Any of the 'Experts' in This Field Had Discovered Them" 2 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I put to an article that my friend Academic Researcher Wade Pfau posted to the Market Watch site: I am the person who discovered the errors in John Greaney’s safe withdrawal rate study. I put up a post reporting on them at a Motley Fool board that we posted at together on the morning of May 13, 2002, many years before any of the experts in this field were saying that it is not possible to calculate the safe withdrawal rate accurately without…

  • "Wade Pfau Is the Only Person Who Has Contacted the Authors of the Trinity Study (the Study That Was Primarily Responsible for the Once Widespread Belief in the "4 Percent Rule") Pointing Out the Need for a Correction in Their Study. Once That Correction Is Issued, Everyone Working in This Field Will Feel Free to Write Honestly About the Error That the Buy-and-Holders Made in Believing That It Is Not Necessary for Stock Investors To Exercise Price Discipline When Buying Stocks. We Will All Then Be Free To Participate in a National Debate As To Whether It Is Buy-and-Hold or Valuation-Informed Indexing (the Model That Says That Valuations MUST Be Taken Into Consideration When an Investor Sets His Stock Allocation) That Is the Future of Investing Analysis." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: Of course, Wade is the person that explained to you that you are wrong on the SWR issue. Wade is also the person who asked you to stop talking about him, yet you still sent out over 30,000 emails about him. Wade is also the person who said you have caused him thousands of times more harm than any so called "goon". Wade is a super guy trapped in…

  • "Wade Pfau Never Wrote Any Words of That Nature Until You Threatened to Send Defamatory E-Mails to His Employer. Words That Are Said As the Result of Intimidation Tactics Don't Count. Wade Said What He Really Believes About Safe Withdrawal Rates and About Valuation-Informed Indexing and About Me in Hundreds of E-Mails That He Exchanged With Me, Many of Which I Have Reported on at My Site." 10 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted at the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: Rob, Just to help you out, here is the link. Your "question" was actually addressed in less than 90 minutes, as pointed out by Wade. It seems the embarrassment of that has lasted all these years. Here is a helpful link: http://retirementresearcher.com/valuations-and-withdrawal-rates/ Wade never wrote any words of that nature until you threatened to…

  • Wade Pfau (at the Bogleheads Forum): "My Comment Before [Suggesting That Rob Bennett Had Been Dogmatic in His Posting at This Forum] Was Completely Misguided and I Apologize to Him" 0 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry set forth the text of an e-mail that I sent to academic researcher Wade Pfau on December 17, 2010. Wade sent me two responses the following day. The first contained a link to an article in Business Week which he characterized as "quite sympathetic to the point you were trying to make all along".  In the second he reported that he had begun listening to my podcast and that he had put up a new post at the Bogleheads Forum containing an apology to me. In that post he…

  • Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "I Strongly Believe That There Are Things You Must Do and Things You Must Not Do to Protect Your Reputation As An Ethical Person. I Believe Today That There Is Serious Reason to Question Whether You Have Managed to Stay on the Right Side of the Line.... Are You Insane, Man? Please Think!" 22 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on January 1, 2012. My next e-mail to Wade was dated April 5, 2012, and was titled "Concerns Re You Going to the Dark Side." The text is set forth below. Wade: I hope things are going well with you. This e-mail will not be a pleasant one to write (or to read). I don't think I have any choice but to write it, given recent developments. Before I start, I want to state the obvious preface. I have…

  • "The Things that Wade Pfau and I Learned Together Are Things That Will Shape the Remaining Years of His Life in Much the Same Way That They Will Shape the Remaining Years of My Life. The Circumstances Are Strange. But the Bond Between Us Can Never Be Broken. You Don’t Forget That Kind of Learning Experience. It Changes You. And You Can Never Change Back, Even If Circumstances Force You to Pretend That You Have." 8 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: “Wade didn’t disown me.” He cut off all contact with you six years ago. That’s the definition of being disowned. Now, would you like to hear the definition of “denial”? He cut off contact with me. That’s so. But the things we learned together are things that will shape the remaining years of his life in much the same way that they will shape the…

  • "The Regulars (at the Bogleheads Forum) Did Not Want This Message (That the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Get the Numbers Wrong) Being Heard Because of the Board's History re This Message" 0 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I received from academic researcher Wade Blog on January 5, 2011, in which he expressed the view that an appropriate title for a thread at the Bogleheads board would be "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!" My response is set forth below. Wade: I obviously would love to see you use that title, Wade. And I think that would do a lot to move things in a positive direction. As I am sure you understand, there are some delicate…

  • Rob Bennett Responds to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #7 -- Will the Power and Wealth of The Stock-Selling Industry Be Employed to Crush Me Through Lawsuits? 4 Comments

    This one addresses a sensitive issue that is often wondered about by people thinking of endorsing Valuation-Informed Indexing but rarely mentioned aloud. Wade never told me that he was afraid of getting sued. I don't think he was. But he was clearly afraid of how "crossing" the industry leaders could do harm to his hopes for career advancement. What happens to those who ignore the friendly advice to back off? Do we get sued? People worry about this. Here are some words from a blogger who is…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #8 -- What Caused Good Guy Wade to Do Such a Horribly Bad Thing? 8 Comments

    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau is a good guy. I told you that story in Response #1. Academic Researcher Wade Pfau has done a horribly bad thing in switching over to the Goon side. He has empowered the Goons. He has extended the economic crisis. He has delayed the correction of the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies. He has caused even more harm to come to the reputations of the Buy-and-Holders when we all should be working to rebuild the reputations of our Buy-and-Hold friends by getting…

  • "Wade Pfau Commented on My Blog Entry for Yesterday.... The Core Difficulty With This One Is Not That People Are Deceiving Others. What Makes This One So Special Is That People Are Putting So Much Energy Into Deceiving Themselves!" 2 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of an e-mail that that I sent on November 19, 2012, to a fellow who posts on the internet as "George Washington": George: Thanks for all of your help. You put in efforts well beyond the call of duty! I have one more favor to ask. Do you have any suggestions for places I could post to get my message out? The placement at "The Big Picture" was perfect. The people who visit that site are heavy-hitter economist types. I was of course discouraged that…

  • Coda -- What Am I Going to Do Now That My Reporting on the Wade Pfau Saga Is Complete? 0 Comments

    I'm going to Disney World! Well, not quite. I'm saving that for the day the Ban on Honest Posting comes to an end. But I'm doing something close. I'm going to Ocean City, New Jersey. We take off in a few minutes. I will not be approving comments to the blog during the time I am gone (sand and computers don't mix, according to Old Farmer Hocus). But fear not, Goon friends! If you file your stupid comments -- er, I mean your well-informed and helpful and much-appreciated comments -- now, I…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #5 -- "It's So Implausible" 0 Comments

    I have two reactions to this observation. One, there is a sense in which I agree. I said in one of my e-mails to Wade that my 10-year experience of trying to bring an end to the Campaign of Terror against our board and blog communities while developing the Valuation-Informed Indexing concept has seemed more amazing to me than the moon landing. Yes, the words we have seen appear before us when we have turned on our computers have been implausible. Yes, the words we have seen appear before us…

  • Bogle Goon to Rob: "If You Say That Wade Pfau Is a Liar, Then Nothing He Says Is Reliable. Therefore, You Should No Longer Refer to His Work." 22 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: If you say Wade is a liar, then nothing he says is reliable. Therefore, you should no longer refer to his work. We do not agree, Anonymous. Wade is a Hero of the First Order in my book. He called Lindauer out on his abusive garbage at the Bogleheads Forum, with all his Goons in the room. I have never seen anyone else except yours truly do that. I don’t forget…

  • "I Would Like to See Jacob Wolinsky (the Owner of the ValueWalk.com site) Post an Article in His Own Name Saying That He Has Witnessed the Tactics of You Goons and Is Appalled By Them. He Knows About How Wade Pfau Was Threatened. Why Not Speak Out About That? If Someone Spoke Up in Support of Wade, That Would Change the World for the Better in a Very Big Way." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site: Are they guilty of fraud by not running your weekly column? No. I mentioned up above how Jacob Wolinsky (the owner of the ValueWalk.com site) is a hero for running so many columns. He put himself on the line by doing that. He helped a lot of people by doing that. I’d like to see him do even more. I would like to see him post an article in his own name saying that he has witnessed the…

  • Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "I Have Strongly Favored the Blunt Approach. I Can't Say That I Have Ever Experienced Any Real-World Success With My Approach. So I Cannot Blame Somebody for Trying Something Different." 10 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I received from Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 11, 2011. My response, sent later the same day, is set forth below. Wade: If your approach works, I will be thrilled. From the first days of these discussions, I have strongly favored the blunt approach and have been mystified that others don't see it the same way. I can't say that I have ever experienced any real-world success with my approach. So I cannot blame somebody for…

  • "If Wade Pfau Wasn't Threatened, He Wouldn't Have Changed His Views 180 Degrees on About 20 Important Issues Overnight." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: Roughly right? Um, no. None of it makes any sense at all unless Wade was threatened. Wade says he was not threatened. You disregard that, without offering any remotely plausible evidence. There is no reason in the world for anyone to take your word over his. The obvious conclusion: 1700 words wasted. If he wasn't threatened, he wouldn't have changed his…

  • Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "You Feel That I Am Questioning Your Ethics. I Am! Not Just Yours, Though. I Am Questioning the Ethics of Every Person Who Has Seen That Those Studies Have Not Been Corrected and Has Failed to Do Anything About It. The Entire Field Is Corrupt, Wade." 63 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on April 6, 2012. I responded within an hour. The text of my response is set forth below. Wade: Thanks. I need to get out the door to attend some Good Friday services. I will get back to you either late today or more likely tomorrow. I didn't want you to think that I was not responding because of some sort of anger or something. Rob I sent a follow-up response later that day. The text…

  • "Wade Pfau Does Not Post with Full Honesty [at the Bogleheads Forum]" 32 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a post that I put to the Goon Central board concerning Wade Pfau, associate professor of economics at the National Graduate Institute for Economic Studies: Does Dr. Pfau not post honestly?  He does not post with full honesty, Yip. Wade wrote to the authors of the Trinity Study asking that they correct the errors in their studies. The Sewer Rats threatened to get him fired from his job for doing so. He announced shortly thereafter that he would no…

  • Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "People Cannot Live In This Sort of Dishonesty Forever. What We Are Going Through Is a Temporary State. It Will Change After the Next Crash. Then Things Will Be Flipped. There Will Be Lots of Angry People Demanding the Heads of Those Who Failed to Speak Up And I Will Be the One Asking for Mercy and Asking People to Understand the Pressures That People In This Field Faced." 6 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on April 5, 2012. Wade sent a folow-up e-mail later the same day. He said: "Coincidentally the article stemming from that January 2011 blog post was published today. I'm attaching it and you can find your name on page 12 of the PDF. So please take it easy and don't act like I'm an enemy of you or anyone because I don't agree with 100% of your views. Here is the link for the…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #1 -- Wade Pfau Is a Smart and Brave and Generous Man Who Has Published Research Worthy of a Nobel Prize 3 Comments

    I get sick of hearing myself say bad stuff about my friend Wade Pfau. So, for this post, I am taking a break from that stuff and focusing on the other side of the story. This one should be easy to write. Academic Researcher Wade Pfau is smart. He's hard-working. He's brave. He's generous. He's kind. He is a super guy. I say Wade is smart because he recognized the power of Valuation-Informed Indexing soon after we began our e-mail correspondence in December 2010. Actually, he recognized it…

  • "Why the Heck Would I Want to Destroy the Credibility of the Academic Researcher Who Has Done More Than Any Other to Advance the Investing Strategy That I Believe Is Going to Pull Us Out of This Economic Crisis?" 26 Comments

    Set forth below is my response to a comment that was put to the blog last week charging me with having advanced a "screed" re Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: You Goons say this sort of thing all the time, Trebor. I am the biggest Wade Pfau booster alive on Planet Earth. Wade did the research showing that Valuation-Informed Indexing dramatically increases returns while also dramatically reducing risk. I am the person who developed the VII strategy. Why the heck would I want to destroy the…

  • "The Trinity Study Should Never Have Passed Peer Review." 18 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Matt Lauer? Someone needs to teach you how to do a proper analogy. I think it’s a good analogy. Lots of people knew about Lauer. They kept their mouths shut out of fear. The problem with using intimidation tactics to keep a cover-up going is that, once a small number of people overcome their fear and speak out, the rest work up the courage to speak out too.…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #6 -- The Investing Advice Field Is Today 100 Percent Corrupt 0 Comments

    First, I will set forth seven factual statements that support the remarkable assertion advanced in the headline. Then, I will set forth seven caveats that provide the context needed to come to a full appreciation of the unfortunate reality. 1) I put a post to a Motley Fool discussion board on May 13, 2002, pointing out the errors in the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies. These are studies that people use to plan their retirements. That the studies were in error was confirmed five…

  • Couch Potato Advocate on Wade Pfau's VII Research: "At First Glance, I Find This Interesting" 0 Comments

    The Balance Junkie blog is hosting  an exciting debate on the merits of Buy-and-Hold vs. Valuation-Informed Indexing. The post is titled Couch Potato Rebuttals. Juicy Excerpt: You can also take a look at some of Robert Shiller’s work, which Rob Bennett recently summarized very nicely in a post at Out of Your Rut. It runs along the same lines and is backed by Shiller’s empirical evidence. These are not fortune tellers. These are people using the same rationale (historical data) as…

  • "Wade Pfau May Be in Prison Then. I Am Going to Tell People About His Great Research. But I Am Also Going to Tell People That He Committed Financial Fraud Because of the Threats That Were Made to Destroy His Career. I Wouldn't Be Willing to Trade Places With Him for All the Money in the World." 13 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site: Rob, They quoted Wade in this article: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/tompor/2014/06/15/boomers-cant-spend-too-much-too-quickly/10520085/ Why didn’t they quote you? I thought you were the SWR expert. They didn’t quote me because I am the person who discovered the errors in the Old School SWR studies, Anonymous. I put up the post pointing out those errors on the…

  • Goon Poster to Rob: "Financial Fraud Requires a Fiduciary Relationship. Look It Up. Does Wade Pfau Manage Your Money? Anyone Else's? Then He Can Legally Lie Through His Teeth From Now Till Doomsday." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site: “Why did we adopt laws against financial fraud but to impose a requirement that people in the investing advice speak with at least a minimum level of honesty?” Financial fraud requires a fiduciary relationship. Look it up. Does Wade manage your money? Anyone else’s? Then he can legally lie through his teeth from now till doomsday. I don’t think he can. I think you are…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau to Rob Bennett: "You Really Shouldn't Have Posted My Private E-Mails. This Is So Unethical." 11 Comments

    I have for several weeks been reporting at my blog on my 16-month e-mail correspondence with Academic Researcher Wade Pau. The most recent blog entry (posted this morning) was titled: Academic Researcher Wade Pfau (In Response to a Threat by the Greaney Goons to Get Him Fired From His Job for Posting Honestly on Safe Withdrawal Rates): "I Think I Should Stay Publicly Quiet for Awhile As I Really Don't Want Anyone Sending Messages About Any Topics to Officials at My University." Wade posted his…

  • "Wade Pfau is Smart, Hard-Working, Ambitious and Generous. I Am Proud to Be Able to Call Him 'Friend.' He is ALSO Dishonest. Wade Has Played a Big Role in a Huge Act of Financial Fraud. There Is a Good Chance That He Will be Going to Prison Following the Next Price Crash. Is He Mad? Yes, He Is Mad. We All Are to Some Extent." 13 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to another blog entry at this site: I am curious as to your reaction to Wade being named to Investment News’ 40 under 40 list? Among other things they state that “his Retirement Research blog (WPfau.blogspot.com), which he launched in 2010, became a big hit with advisers interested in retirement strategy.” http://www.investmentnews.com/section/40-under-40/profile/26/Wade-Pfau Everything that I know about Wade tells me…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #14 -- This Is Not Primarily an Investing Story, It Is Primarily a Political Story 8 Comments

    Response Article #13 argued that the ten-year cover-up of the errors in the Old School safe-withdrawal rate studies is the biggest news story of my lifetime (I'm 55). It sure hasn't gotten that kind of play. What's up? People are expecting the story to be an investing story or perhaps an economics story. It is both of those. But at its core this is a political story. I say nothing "controversial" in any intellectual sense when I say that researchers need to take the valuation level that…

  • " I Of Course Have Sympathy for the Fact That Wade Pfau Has Kids to Feed and He Fears the Consequences of Behaving in a Fully Honest Manner re These Questions. But There Are Responsibilities Attached to Putting Yourself Forward as an 'Expert' in This Field. Wade Knows About the History of This Question and He Knows How Dangerous the Old School SWR Studies Are and I Am Not Able to Feel Good About His Ducking of This Very Important Question." 11 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Don’t you care about SWR at all? If so you would have some insight or opinion on the substance of Wade’s article. Assuming you even read it. It’s cool that Wade is getting deeper into this stuff. I am not persuaded by every word that he wrote. But that doesn’t matter much. What matters is that he is digging. That’s how we all learn. So my first reaction…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #2 -- "I Really Don’t Know How You Think You Come Out of This Whole Episode Looking Like the Good Guy" 2 Comments

    My first reaction to this comment of Wade's is that it is an odd one for an academic researcher to be putting forward. The value of academic research is that those who produce it are given tenure so that they can report honestly what the historical data reveals. Those trying to make a buck in this field are inevitably going to be drawn to doing the popular thing, which often translates into doing the thing that appeals most to the Get Rich Quick urge that exists within all of us. The reason why…

  • "Wade Pfau Should Have Been Posting From the First Day That He Got Interested in Valuation-Informed Indexing. He and I Would Have Written That Paper a Lot Sooner Had He Done So. And We Might Have Done an Even Better Job Because We Would Have Had That Entire Community Feeding Us Ideas. We Might Have Even Gotten Jack Bogle Involved! Wouldn't That Have Been Something?" 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site: According to your previous posts, you said you needed the windfall or you would not have enough. Was this a lie or are you lying with this latest post? The rest of your post is nonsense. In the time that I was posting at the Bogleheads Forum (about 18 months), Wade Pfau was reading my posts and thought that Valuation-Informed Indexing was incredibly…

  • "Say That Wade Had Flipped of His Own Volition. If That Were So, the Fact That There Was a Time When He Believed That 'Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing works!' Would Mean That Honest Posting re the Research Should Be Permitted. Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics From Princeton. If Someone With That Background Found Merit in Market Timing Even for a Brief Time-Period, It Is Something That We Should Be Permitted to Discuss at Every Site. People Should Be Able to Hear Both Sides and Make Up Their Own Minds." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for nother blog entry at this site: Greaney has nothing to do with what I said. Why change the conversation. It just shows you are trying to distract people. Wade Pfau admits now that market timing failed, so you can’t even spin that anymore. Wade never should have been threatened. If Buy-and-Hold were a real thing, every Buy-and-Holder would speak up in opposition to the intimidation tactics…

  • Buy-and-Hold Goon: "Nothing Needed Correcting, As Wade Pfau Pointed Out." Rob: "Wade Pointed Out (After Being Threatened By You Goons) That Greaney Had Advanced a Comment on the First Day of the Discussions Saying That Anyone Who Cared to Was Free to Take a Withdrawal Rate of Less Than 4 Percent. Of Course They Were. That Was Never in Question." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Nothing needed correcting, as Wade Pfau pointed out. Wade pointed out (after being threatened by you Goons) that Greaney had advanced a comment on the first day of the discussions saying that anyone who cared to was free to take a withdrawal rate of less than 4 percent. Of course they were. That was never in question. What we need is to permit all community…

  • ""If You Can Get Over the Fact That He Compared You to the Potato Famine and the Black Plague, I Think You Can Find a Compliment Buried in His Remarks" 0 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to academic researcher Wade Pfau on February 16, 2011. He responded on February 21, 2011. He noted that there was a thread on safe withdrawal rates in progress at the Bogleheads Forum. He said that a poster named "sscritic" mentioned me. He also said that: "If you look carefully at DRiP Guy's response and can get over the fact that he compared you to the potato famine and the black plague, I think you can find a compliment buried in…

  • "I Think No One Really Knows the Precise Scope That the Trinity Authors Had in Mind....You Don't Need to Convince the Trinity Authors to Fix Any Errors" 19 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry set forth the text of a comment I made in a recent discussion about safe withdrawal rates with researcher Wade Pfau (Wade says that he does not believe that the authors of the Trinity study meant to identify the safe withdrawal rate (SWR) in their safe withdrawal rate study and that the thousands of financial planners who for many years now have been saying that they did were mistaken to think that and that it's just tough cookies for the millions of middle-class people…

  • Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, After the Greaney Goons Threatened to Get Him Fired From His Job: "The Site Is Owned by Greaney. It Was Set Up Solely for the Purpose of Intimidating People Like You" 26 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 1, 2011. In the e-mail, I tried to offer words of comfort to my friend, who was living in fear that the Greaney Goons would follow through on their efforts to get him fired from his job because he had posted honestly on safe withdrawal rates. I knew from our earlier correspondence that Wade is married and has at least one small child (this came up during the time there was a concern over a possible…

  • "If the Buy-and-Holders Were Confident in Their Strategy, They Would Want to Find Out What Wade Pfau Would Say in an Environment in Which There Were No Intimidation Tactics Being Practiced. And They Would Want to Find Out the Same re Everyone Else Who Works in This Field." 16 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Yes, this is the academic researcher that made a recent statement that market timing with CAPE failed based on the most recent data. It is. If the Buy-and-Holders were confident in their strategy, they would want to find out what he would say in an environment in which there were no intimidation tactics being practiced. And they would want to find out the…

  • "Wade Pfau Wasn’t a True Believer When He Contacted Me. He Was Intrigued By My Writings in This Field, That’s All. He BECAME a True Believer Only in Time As He Explored One Question After Another and Learned Again and Again and Again That Engaging in Price Discipline When Buying Stocks Always Gives the Investor a Huge Edge." 6 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: During the last two decades of waiting to see “how things turn out”, what has come out positive for you that would compel you to wait another couple decades to once again see how things turn out? I have my name on the most important piece of peer-reviewed research published in this field in 30 years. That ain’t nothing. I obviously have the greatest…

  • Wade Pfau (According to a Goon Report): "This Is All Part of Rob’s Vast Mythology in Which He Seeks to Make Himself Into a Super Hero Fighting the Evils of Wall Street. It Isn’t True. Rob Magnified a Very Minor Situation By 10,000x." 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Liar. Here’s an old email to me in which Wade explains your hoax about his “academic career being threatened by anonymous internet posters” to an unfortunate fellow who bit on your 30k email jihad you waged against him in an effort to impugn his integrity and besmirch his good name. The only person who threatened Wade was Rob “hocus” Bennett. “Dear…

  • Associate Professor Wade Pfau Has Contacted Trinity Study Authors re Analytical Errors in Their Safe Withdrawal Rate Study 11 Comments

    Wafe Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, has sent an e-mail to the authors of the famous (infamous?) Trinity study of safe withdrawal rates for retirees asking the authors whether it was their intent when preparing the study to identify the safe withdrawal rate for retirees. Here are his words: "Okay, I took care of it. I was a little timid about contacting them, as I was publicly critical of their study in the…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #13 -- The Ten-Year Cover-Up of the Errors in the Old School Safe-Withdrawal-Rate Studies Is the Biggest Economic and Political Story of Our Time 12 Comments

    I have been trying for several years now to get political and financial bloggers interested in the story of how leaders in The Stock-Selling Industry have for ten years suppressed the story of the errors that were made in the Old School safe-withdrawal rate studies. I haven't had a great deal of luck. For an odd reason. The story is too big! It's a reporter's dream to get a big story. But not this big! When a story is TOO big, people have a hard time believing it. When a story is TOO big,…

  • Wade Pfau: "Perhaps the Trinity Study Was Not Meant to Be a Safe Withdrawal Rate Study" 0 Comments

    Set forth below are some words that Wafe Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, put recently to the blog entry here titled Everyone in This Field Should Be Urging the Authors of the Studies to Make Corrections: Rob, Perhaps the Trinity study was not meant to be a “safe withdrawal rate” study. The word “safe” does not appear in either the original or updated versions. Perhaps the study was only meant to point…

  • "Do You Think That Wade Pfau Would Be Willing to Pay One Year’s Salary to be Able to Do Honest Work for the Remainder of His Life? I Sure Do. Everything That I Know About the Man Tells Me That He Would Jump on That Deal in a New York Minute. And Wade Is Obviously Not the Only One Who Feels That Way." 8 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Why would anyone want to “chips”? I don’t think anyone wants to hand you their money. How are we “in it together”? Wade Pfau would very, very much like to do honest work in this field. I think it would be fair to say that that one is beyond question given what he told us re his feelings about Valuation-Informed Indexing in scores and scores of…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "I Don't Have Any Hard Feelings Toward You, But It Is Hard to Have Public Communications With You After All the Attacks You Made Toward Me At Your Blog Following the Bengen Incident.... I Have No Idea What You Mean When You Mention Including Me in Lawsuits, As I've Been Nothing But Supportive of You." 63 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on April 5, 2012. Wade sent his response later the same day. He said: "I don't have any hard feelings toward you, but it is hard to have public communications with you after all the attacks you made toward me at your blog following the Bill Bengen incident. You strongly misinterpreted what I wrote at your blog and attacked me so thoroughly, and that makes it hard to see any paths forward…

  • "Thousands of Experts Who Heard People Calling the Number Generated By the Study the “Safe Withdrawal Rate” Never Corrected the Record — Why?" 8 Comments

    Yesterday's bog entry set forth the text of a comment by researcher Wade Pfau in which he advanced the idea that "perhaps the Trinity study was not meant to be a safe withdrawal rate study." Set forth below is the comment that I posted in response: The study uses a word very similar to “safe,” Wade. I believe the word it uses is “sustainable.” People just shortened that to “safe.” The two words mean essentially the same thing. A 4 percent withdrawal rate is no more sustainable…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #11 -- Many of Today's Investing Advisors Are Positioning Themselves for the Post-Buy-and-Hold Era 0 Comments

    I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Ssssh! You must promise not to tell. I will no longer be the golden boy of the Big Shots in The Stock-Selling Industry if this one gets out. I'm not the only one who has been thinking in recent years about where this industry is headed. Lots of people are having that thought. Buy-and-Hold died intellectually 30 years ago and the only thing that has been keeping it alive for a long, long time was that it had not yet brought on the economic crisis…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "Because We Just Don't Have Enough Historical Data to Be Really Sure About Valuations, I Think You Just Need to Be Satisfied With These Sorts of Statements" 2 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that Academic Researcher Wade Pfau sent me on December 20, 2011. I next heard from Wade on December 31, 2011. He said: "It certainly has been a very interesting discussion on your blog these past few days. He offered the following link: http://www.fpanet.org/journal/CurrentIssue/TableofContents/RetirementIncomeResearchProvedFruitfulin2011/ Wade observed: "Because we just don't have enough historical data to be really sure about…

  • Wade Pfau Has Published an Article in the Wall Street Journal Titled 'What Is the Sustainable Spending Rate for Retirees in 2016?'" 0 Comments

    Wade Pfau recently published an article in the Wall Street Journal titled What Is the Sustainable Spending Rate for Retirees in 2016? I thank my Goon friend Anonymous for letting me know about the article. Juicy Excerpt #1: An alternative way to view the historical data is to go beyond merely considering past withdrawal rate outcomes by seeing how they relate to retirement date values of the underlying sources of returns. We can find a way to investigate these implications by following…

  • "We Wouldn’t All Have the Amazing Peer-Reviewed Research That I Co-Authored with Wade Pfau If I Had Been Able to Post Dishonestly re the Numbers That My Fellow Community Members Are Using to Plan Their Retirements.That’s the Greatest Contribution That I Have Made to This World. And I Never Would Have Posted the Things That Caused Wade to Contact Me Had I Been Able to Give in to the Intimidation Tactics and Post Dishonestly." 10 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: “We all have crosses that we have to carry in this life.” “Have” to carry? Of course not. You have chosen your path and now you reject getting the help you need. I have never had a choice. Do I have the choice to flap my arms in the air and fly to the moon? I have a better chance of doing that than I do of posting dishonestly re the numbers that my…

  • Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: "It Looks Like You Need an Academic Guy, Or Some Expert, To Be Your Spokesperson. Does Anyone Come To Mind?" 0 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Based on Ken’s advice, it looks like you need an academic guy, or some expert, to be your spokesperson. Does anyone come to mind? I have a feeling that there might be someone who could help but I can’t quite bring the name to my mind at this moment. It’s on the tip of my tongue. I’ll get back to you if it comes to me, Anonymous. Take good care,…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Responses to My Reporting on Our 16 Months of E-Mail Correspondence 0 Comments

    The purpose of this blog entry is to set forward in one place links to the responses that Academic Researcher Wade Pfau has made to my reporting on our 16 months of e-mail correspondence. 1) Wade's first response came when I told him of my plans to report on our e-mail correspondence. He said of this e-mail at a later date: "“About that first email I sent you in our exchange, please under no circumstances try to summarize or excerpt from it. If you must use it, please include the entire…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau in Response to Mel Lindauer's Claim That His Research Engages in Data-Mining: "I Take the Issue of Data-Mining Very Seriously, and, With All Due Respect, Any Data-Mining That I Am Doing Is In Favor of Buy-and-Hold, Not In Favor of Market Timing" 8 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on February 25, 2011. Set forth below is the text of another e-mail that I sent to Wade on the same day. Wade: Please save this for after you catch up on your sleep! You're right about the regret bias. But it won't be a problem once we are able to get the word out re the need for long-term timing. Say that Money magazine and all the experts and all the web sites all begin pushing that…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #9 -- The Ten-Year Saga Demonstrates the Power (and Risks) of the New Internet Communications Medium 10 Comments

    Going back to the first day, the Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate has been a story demonstrating the power (and risks) of the new internet communications medium. Set forth below are ten illustrations of the point. 1) We have never seen as much support for discussions of Valuation-Informed Indexing as we saw in the early months of the Motley Fool stage of the discussions (May through August 2002). This tells us something important. Investors have a great deal of interest in these ideas so…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "If I Did Lack Personal Integrity, I Could Have Made This All Stop by Saying the Meaningless Sentence You Want So Desperately to Hear -- 'I Think the Errors in the Traditional Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Must Be Corrected By Using Rob's Analytically Valid Method' " 45 Comments

    I have in recent weeks been reporting on my e-mail correspondence with Academic Researcher Wade Pfau. Wade posted a comment to the blog entry that I posted early this morning. The text is set forth below: Hi Rob, I forgot that I was still saying things like this even 2 weeks after the initial incident. This was more than a year ago now, but I am thinking that I was just trying to explain politely to you that I’d rather have you quit writing about me, or at least stop using my name. I…

  • Rob Bennett's Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #15 -- No Apologies? 37 Comments

    Where are the apologies? I've generated hundreds of important investing insights in my podcasts and weekly columns and articles and discussion-board comments of the past 10 years. The Buy-and-Hold Machine is not happy to see me telling people about those insights and yet has not been able to find any flaws in the academic research that supports them. Let's say that the insights are all baloney. Let's say they are all wrongheaded. All but one. The first one cannot be wrongheaded because even…

  • Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "There Are a Lot of People Who Will Automatically Close Their Minds to This (Valuation-Informed Indexing) Because They Think Of It As Market Timing, and I Hope My Way of Presenting It Can Help to Bring Them Around a Bit." 0 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 10, 2011. Wade sent two responses the following day. In response to my comments re his chart on true wealth accumulation numbers, he said: "This is generally how I was interpreting it as well, which I probably picked up from you before. The main idea is that you shouldn't be too excited with great wealth accumulations if they happened due to unusually high valuations, and low wealth…

  • "Everyone in This Field Should Be Urging the Authors of the Studies to Make Corrections" 9 Comments

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I put to a blog entry at Wade Pfau's site titled Trinity Study Updates: we will not know if there is going to be an increased failure rate for another 20-30 years. This statement is of course 100 percent true. However, I have a different and I think far more realistic and prudent and proper way of looking at things. A safe withdrawal rate study is not supposed to tell us what withdrawal rate may work. It is supposed to tell us what…

  • Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: "If I Can Think of Things That I Can Do To Soften the Blow to the Goons...I Will Do That... If It Is Any Comfort, I Think It Would Be Fair to Say That the Goons Are Losing Power and Influence BY THE DAY." 16 Comments

    Yesterday's blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 16, 2011. I sent a response the following day. Wade: It's a revolutionary statement. You are telling the truth about safe withdrawal rates. Every advance that we have achieved over the past nine years started with my decision to tell the truth re SWRs in my May 13, 2002 post. It may be that you cannot see today where this is going to lead you in time. As  someone who has already made a…

  • This. " target="_blank">"This Is Why We Have Reporters in This Crazy Mixed-Up World of Ours. Others Do Other Things. Reporters Do This. 2 Comments

    Set forth below are the texts of four comments that I recently put to the Goon Central board (the fourth is a brief addendum): I'm going to write an article that will detail all the people who have been intimidated by the Sewer Rats into saying something other than the full truth. The article will collect them all in one place for the benefit of the political bloggers who need to be writing about this. I will tell the Wade story and the Larry Swedroe story and the J.D. Roth story and the…

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  • “How Much of the Money You Have Is Real and How Much of It Is Pretend? Do You Even Care to Know?”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: How hard is it to understand.  We have money.  You don’t.  That means we don’t have to do anything and you do.  Fix your own problems because we are not lifting a finger for you. How much of the money you have is real and how much of it is pretend? Do you even care to know? That’s not my problem. That’s your problem. Fixing that problem would not be lifting a finger for me, it would be lifting a finger for you. That’s what I believe, Anonymous. There are no two sides here. We are all on the same side. Rob Related Posts“At the Very Bare Minimum, We Need to Make It a Practice to Tell Both Sides of the Story. Reasonable People Need to Absolutely Insist on That Much.”“You Don’t Know How Much You Have. You Don’t Subtract for Irrational Exuberance. How Could You Possibly Know?”Goon Poster to Rob: “Why Do You Continue to Do What You Do? Clearly You Are Not Making Any Money.”“What I Am Doing In Demanding Recognition of Everyone’s Right to Post Honestly Is As Important As What Shiller Did in Publishing His Revolutionary Research. Shiller Got Us Where We Need to Go Intellectually. I Am Getting Us Where We Need to Go in the Practical Realm. Shiller Did Amazing Work. But Millions of Investors Are Today Completely in the Dark re the IMPLICATIONS of His Amazing Work.”Goon Poster to Rob: “Any Wife Would Be Saddened by a Husband Who Is Capable of Working But Hasn’t ‘Made a Dime in 13 Years.’ Since You Acknowledge That Fact, To What Extent (If Any) Does It Bother You?”Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “Okay, Then We Don’t Need to Lift Any of the Bans on You, Greaney Can Keep Doing What He Is Doing, Wade Can Keep Ignoring You, Your Wife Doesn’t Need to Feel Guilty for Dumping You and the Bogleheads Don’t Need to Invite You to Any of Their Future Meetings. Thanks, Rob.”

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  • “When a Nation of People Suffers a Buy-and-Hold Crisis, No One Is Entirely Spared.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: That market timing strategy of making you go broke is working out so great for you, Rob.  Way to go.  I guess I will have to just be miserable with having millions of dollars. Today’s CAPE value signals an economic collapse that will cause an ocean of misery for millions of people. You certainly should be sad about that and about your role in making it a reality. And your millions won’t entirely protect you. When a nation of people suffers a Buy-and-Hold Crisis, no one is entirely spared. I’d like to see us move beyond all that. I believe that we will get on a better path in days to come. We’ll see. My best wishes to you. Rob Related Posts“We All Have a Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold Urge Residing Within Us. It’s Been Causing Bull Markets and Economic Collapses So Long As There Has Been a Stock Market.”“If It Is True That Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns, Then the Market Is Going to Collapse Whenever Large Numbers of Investors Come to Believe That a Buy-and-Hold Strategy Might Work. A Market in Which Large Numbers of Investors Fail to Practice Price Discipline Is a Dysfunctional Market.”“It Is the Collapse in Confidence in Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold That Causes Prices to Fall.”“I Don’t Agree Even a Tiny Bit That, If You Lower Your Stock Allocation a Bit and Then Prices Go Even Higher, You Have Somehow ‘Missed Out’ on Something. You ‘Missed Out’ on Having More Irrational Exuberance in Your Portfolio That’s a Good Thing!”“The Point That Needs to Be Examined Is Whether Gains That Cause the CAPE Value To Go Above 16 Are Real, Economic Gains, the Same As Gains Earned When the CAPE Is Below 16, or Whether Gains Achieved When the CAPE Is Above 16 Are Just Irrational Exuberance and Should Not Be Counted.”“If We Were All Thinking Clearly, We Would All Want to See the Acts of Intimidation Come to a Full and Complete Stop. Of Course, If We Were All Thinking Clearly, Today’s CAPE Value Would Not Be Anything Close to 30. It All Fits Together.”

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  • “We All Possess a Sincere Desire to Invest Effectively for the Long Run. But the Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold Impulse That Resides Within All of Us Compromises Our Efforts. We Need Open Discussion of the Peer-Reviewed Research to Strengthen Our Resolve.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Buy and Holders, by definition, continue to buy regardless of the daily swings of the stock market.  The failures you describe are clearly market timers.  These are the people that make emotional responses to the daily fluctuations and THEIR perception of the stock market valuation.  This is why the top 10% continue to consolidate ownership of stock.  You are a market timer, Rob.  You are broke. Do Buy-and-Holders adjust their stock allocation in response to changes in valuations? That’s the question on the table, Anonymous. Do Buy-and-Holders Stay the Course in a meaningful way? Valuation-Informed Indexers do that. We engage in valuation-based market timing. That’s the only difference between Buy-and-Hold and Valuation-Informed Indexing. VII is Buy-and-Hold updated to reflect the last 44 years of peer-reviewed research in this field. It’s a big difference. As long as most investors are Staying the Course in a meaningful way, irrational exuberance, the cancer of the personal finance world, cannot get out of control. Stock prices are self-regulating so long as honest posting re the peer-reviewed research is permitted at every internet site. We all possess a sincere desire to invest effectively for the long run. But the Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold impulse that resides within all of us, compromises our efforts. We need open discussion of the peer-reviewed research to strengthen our resolve. My sincere take. Rob Related Posts“At the Very Bare Minimum, We Need to Make It a Practice to Tell Both Sides of the Story. Reasonable People Need to Absolutely Insist on That Much.”“Is There Any CAPE Level at Which Stocks No Longer Represent a Bargain According to Your Perspective on Things?”“You’re Not Adjusting for Irrational Exuberance. If You Adjust for Irrational Exuberance, You Get Very Different Numbers.”“You’re a Liar. I Might Just As Well Say That You Are a Human. It Comes With the Territory. The Question Is Whether You Want To Make Use of the Tools Now Available to All of Us Who Want to Be More Honest and Thus More Successful Stock Investors.”“The Idea Behind Valuation-Informed Indexing Is to Take the Emotion Out of the Stock Investing Project. All That We Need To Do To Stop the Horrible Losses Is To Stop the Insane Highs.”“Buy-and-Hold Is a Marketing Gimmick. People Would Be Better Off Being […]

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  • “It Is the Roller Coaster Ride Created By the Buy-and-Hold Mindset (No Price Discipline When Buying Stocks Now!) That Causes All the Crazy Ups and Downs. All of That Is Optional Today and Has Been for 44 Years Now, All We Need To Do At This Point Is To Get the Word Out.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: The sellers are market timers because they don’t have enough dry powder. Someone sitting there with only a few hundred thousands has no ability to hang on for the long term. They will always bail during any perceived time of risk. I have already shared some of my details. You probably remember that my portfolio generates $300K plus a year in interest and dividends. I also have other sources of income. I don’t need to sell and I just keep doing just like the rest of the top 10% in that I keep accumulating assets. It is fine if you don’t want to hold stock. People like me will continue to buy. Remember the old saying: “The are two types of people with McDonald’s. One type is the customer that buys the burgers. The other type is the guy that owns McDonald’s (stock). Pick which one you want to be. Valuation-Informed Indexers don’t count phony gains as real. So they don’t perceive risk in the disappearance of the phony gains. They are looking at the realities and the realities of stock investing are very reassuring — gains of 6.5 percent real annually. It is the roller coaster ride created by the Buy-and-Hold mindset (no price discipline when buying stocks now!) that causes all the crazy ups and downs. All of that is optional today and has been for 44 years now, All we need to do at this point is to get the word out. Irrational exuberance is the cancer of the personal finance world. Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research is the cure for cancer. We should permit people to partake in the cure. Rob Related PostsValuation-Informed Indexing #264: Shiller’s Findings Revolutionize Our Understanding of How the Economy Works Too“Some People Have Been Waiting Since the Mid 90s for Stocks to Be Cheap Enough (in Their Opinion) to Buy.”“Those 29 Years Were Not Good Years for Stock Owners.”Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “If Buy and Holders Did Not Have Confidence, They Would Have Done Something Different.”Valuation-Informed Indexing #596: Stock Prices Drift Upward Unless Most Investors Practice Market Timing“Shiller Showed Us That It Is Primarily INVESTOR EMOTION That Determines Stock Prices, Not Economic Developments. So We All Need to Make a Switch to Talking Primarily About Investor Emotion. We Should […]

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  • “The Idea Behind Valuation-Informed Indexing Is to Take the Emotion Out of the Stock Investing Project. All That We Need To Do To Stop the Horrible Losses Is To Stop the Insane Highs.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Yep. Market timers are selling there stock and just look at how everything has been consolidated at the top. Not surprising and it is not just stock. Take a look at real estate holdings and how that has changed over the years. You can decide if you want to follow those that have been successful or you can go with the 90% that struggle. The people who you are calling “market timers” are just Buy-and-Holders who have lost confidence in their strategy. Buy-and-Hold is a confidence game. Excessive confidence causes prices to go to crazy high levels and excessive pessimism causes prices to go to crazy low levels. The idea behind Valuation-Informed Indexing is to take the emotion out of the stock investing project. Those times of low prices are horror stories. We should all want to bring an end to them. To do that, we need to focus on what causes them. It’s high prices that cause the insane price drops. All that we need to do to stop the horrible losses is to stop the insane highs. That’s done with valuation-based market timing. Valuation-based market timing is the key to long-term investing success. Irrational exuberance is a snare and a delusion, Anonymous. It is not real. It hurt us. We should all work together to to keep it from getting out of control. We should all work to keep the CAPE level at a reasonable levels. My sincere take. Rob Related Posts“We Don’t Accept the Phony Numbers. We Fear the Emotional Pain We Experience When Our Longstanding Game of Let’s Pretend Is Exposed to Daylight. We Are ASHAMED.”“The Losses That We Need to Cover as a Result of the Continued Promotion of Buy-and-Hold ‘Strategies’ are $24 Trillion, $6 Trillion More Than the Entire Federal Debt of $18 Trillion, Constituting All the Annual Budget Deficits Going Back to the Days of George Washington Added Together. Buy-and-Hold Is Truly Bad Stuff.”“Market Timing Is the Thing That Permits the Market to Do its Core Job — Get Prices Right. It Is Market Timing That Keeps the Market Functional.”“Is There Any CAPE Level at Which Stocks No Longer Represent a Bargain According to Your Perspective on Things?”“Child Porn and Slave Trading and Murder for Hire Are Far, Far, […]

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  • “Say That the Alcoholic Beverage Industry Con Men Didn’t Want to Acknowledge Their Mistake. They Might Say That the Explanation for the Millions of Deaths That They Caused Is That Six Beers Isn’t Really Enough, That People Need to Drink a Minimum of Eight Beers Before They Can Drive a Car Safely.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: “ I do not intend to write fresh material.” When did you ever write fresh material? I have never seen anything new. Valuations affect long-term returns. That’s the story. It’s a pretty darn simple message. But it’s important. Say that that the alcoholic beverage industry got control of all the driving schools and put out a message that the key to safe driving is always to drink six beers before getting behind the wheel. That would be a catastrophe equal to the catastrophe that we have seen in the investment advice field with this garbage about how there might be some alternate universe in which valuation-based market timing might not be 100 percent required for every investor. Say that that the alcoholic beverage industry con men didn’t want to acknowledge their mistake. They might say that the explanation for the millions of deaths that they caused is that six beers isn’t really enough, that people need to drink a minimum of eight beers before they can drive a car safely. And on and on like that. When you make a mistake this big, the best thing to do is to acknowledge it and move on. Covering it up just makes things worse. My sincere take. Rob Related Posts“I Used to Believe in the Buy-and-Hold Garbage. I Know How It Feels to Be Tricked Re This Stuff. Legitimate Strategies Can Be Defended Without Death Threats. I Earned My Retirement Money. I Expect to Be Able to Find Accurate and Honest Reports re What the Peer-Reviewed Research Says About How to Invest It. I Deserve That. We All Do. We All Should Demand It.”“The Fact That Wade Pfau Won’t Speak to Me Today Definitely Tells a Tale That Needs to Be Widely Told.”“The Wall Street Con Men Are Not Convinced That Buy-and-Hold Cannot Work. They See the Holes in the Concept. They Become Insanely Defensive When Challenged. But They Tell Themselves That Buy-and-Hold May Work Well Enough. They Tell Themselves That There Is Nothing Better.”“There Are Cases in Which Someone Drinks Six Cans of Beer and Does Not Get in an Accident. So Those Who Follow the Buy-and-Hold Approach to Data Analysis Say: ‘You Cannot Look at the Number of Cans of Beer Consumed to Know If There […]

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  • “Maybe It’s Okay to Believe It So Long As You Don’t Give Voice to What You Believe in a Public Place.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: No, we are all not victims.  Reasonable people know that they are responsible for their own well being.  Making up these silly posts are not helping anyone.  It seems your therapist has his work cut out for him. Anyone who believes that the Greaney retirement study lacks a valuation adjustment must be nutso. Or maybe it’s okay to believe it so long as you don’t give voice to what you believe in a public place. Rob Related Posts“It Means It [the Greaney Retirement Study] Never Needed Correction and That It Has Been Explained to You Well Over a Thousand Times.”“Is It My Failure If Many Buy-and-Holders Did Not Call for the Greaney Retirement Study to be Corrected Even Though It Is Obvious to Anyone Who Checks That It Lacks a Valuation Adjustment?”“I’m Not the One Who Permitted the CAPE Value to Rise to 37. That Was the Buy-and-Holders. That Number Suggests That It Is Today’s Stock Market That Needs a Therapist.”“Do You Think That I Should Lie About My Belief? Should I Say That It Appears to Me That the Greaney Retirement Study Contains a Valuation Adjustment Even Though My Sincere Belief Is That It Lacks One?”“You Need Either to Point to the Page in the Greaney Retirement Study Containing a Valuation Adjustment or Join Me in Insisting That He Correct the Error Immediately.”“At the Very Bare Minimum, We Need to Make It a Practice to Tell Both Sides of the Story. Reasonable People Need to Absolutely Insist on That Much.”

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  • “Unfortunately, There Is a Feeling Among Some Buy-and-Holders That They Will Not Be Perceived as Super Duper Experts If People Come to Learn That They Didn’t Always Know It All. “

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: You are always the victim, aren’t you Rob.  The whole world has orchestrated a mass conspiracy against you and even your ex-wife is in on this scheme.  Poor Rob. We are all victims of this massive act of financial fraud, Anonymous. We all would be living richer and freer and happier and better lives if every site on the internet had been opened to honest posting re the peer-reviewed research in this field on May 13, 2002, as I proposed at the time. I is not possible for the Rational human mind to imagine any possible downside, I mean, come on. Learning is this world one true free lunch. There was a time when we didn’t know all that we needed to know to invest in stocks successfully for the long run. Now we do. Shiller was awarded a Nobel prize for his research because it represented such a huge advance over what came before. Unfortunately, there is a feeling among some Buy-and-Holders that they will not be perceived as super duper experts if people come to learn that they didn’t always know it all. Well, they didn’t. I don’t think that the mistake they made was that big a deal. But the cover-up of the mistake has hurt millions of people and hurts more each day that it continues. We all need to pull together and insist that every site be opened to honest posting re the peer-reviewed research so that we can all move forward together into a better tomorrow. Where I’m coming from. Rob Related Posts“The Bennett/Pfau Research Shows That Market Timing Is 70 Percent of What It Takes to Achieve Long-Term Stock Investing Success. So 70 Percent of What We Hear From Investment Experts Should Be Telling Us Ways to Avoid Getting Sucked in By the Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold Garbage.”“I Certainly Am Not Going to Demand Prison Sentences If Most Others Do Not See a Need for Them.”“My Buy-and-Hold Friends Are Good and Smart and Hard-Working People. They are Trapped in Unfortunate Circumstances. But They Want To Be Giving Sound Investing Advice. I Know Because I Have Talked To a Good Number of Them re How They Feel About All This.”“This Is a Field Where People Don’t Admit Their Mistakes. The ‘Experts’ […]

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  • “Say That There’s a 1 in 100 Chance That What I’ve Been Saying for 23 Years Now — That the Greaney Retirement Study Lacks a Valuation Adjustment — Is Accurate. After 23 Years of This Stuff, I Personally Would Put the Odds at 99.9999 Percent. But Let’s Say for Purposes of Discussion That There’s Only a 1 Percent Chance That Greaney Got the Numbers Wrong in His Study. If There’s a 1 Percent Chance, Then We Should Be Talking About It at Every Site on the Internet.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: “ I did many things to help her. She owns her own home today. That came from money that I provided” From what money? You haven’t worked in 25 years. Meanwhile, your ex-wife has been working multiple jobs the whole time. Notice you even admit in your last post, like you have done before that she needed you to bring in an income. There is zero excuse for ANYONE to not support his family if you are physically able. I don’t think that there’s any excuse for anyone who knows about the 44-years cover-up not to do everything in his or her power to bring it to an end. It affects the retirement accounts of millions of people. I couldn’t sleep at night knowing that I was aware of the problem and just let another Buy-and-Hold Crisis take place. Say that there’s a 1 in 100 chance that what I’ve been saying for 23 years now — that the Greaney retirement study lacks a valuation adjustment — is accurate. After 23 years of this stuff, I personally would put the odds at 99,9999 percent. But let’s say for purposes of discussion that there’s only a 1 percent chance that Greaney got the numbers wrong in his study. If there’s a 1 percent chance, then we should be talking about it at every site on the internet. Greaney isn’t the only person who advanced that loony-tunes 4 percent rule. There are millions of people who put together their retirement plans thinking that that was something real and who need to be advised that it was all just a scam. How do you think that word is going to get out if no one works up the courage to stand up to you Goons. There’s no other way that it could happen. And look at today’s CAPE level. It’s pretty darn scary. If we had opened every site to honest posting re the research on the afternoon of May 13, 2002, as I proposed at the time, we would obviously never again have to endure such an insanely dangerous CAPE level. We would have people explaining why valuation-based market timing is the key to long-term stock investing success at every site. How do you think we are going […]

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  • “The Thing That Is Really Off in the Investment Advice Field Is That the Non-Experts — the People Who Will Be Suffering Huge Losses in the Event That the Stock Market Continues to Perform in the Future Somewhat As It Always Has in the Past — Tolerate the Cover-Up. That’s Nuts. But They’ve Got That Get Rich Quick Impulse Residing Within Them That Makes Them Like Buy-and-Hold, that Makes Them Think That This Might Be the First Time in History When It Doesn’t End in Tears for Everyone.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: Did you care about what happened to your ex-wife’s retirement account? Very much so. If we experience another Buy-and-Hold Crisis, she is one of the millions and millions of people who will get hurt by it. I obviously don’t want to see that happen. The question is — Why do we not apply the same rules that apply in every field other than the investment advice field in the investment advice field as well. That’s what makes sense. In every other field, we apply laws that show that we understand that experts can make mistakes and that those mistakes need to be corrected over time. So we permit honest posting re new research and thereby provide a means for the experts to come to terms with the mistakes that they have made and to develop stronger ideas. The thing that is really off in the investment advice field is that the non-experts — the people who will be suffering huge losses in the event that the stock market continues to perform in the future somewhat as it always has in the past — tolerate the cover=up. That’s nuts. But they’ve got that Get Rich Quick impulse residing within them that makes them like Buy-and-Hold, that makes them think that this might be the first time in history when it doesn’t end in tears for everyone. Can we overcome it? I believe that we are working up to that magic moment. I believe that the arc of history in the personal finance field bends toward rationality. I believe that opening up one large site to honest posting re the peer-reviewed research will get us over the line will get us there. At that point, my ex-wife and millions and millions of others will be able to have some confidence that the numbers on their portfolio statements are accurate. I see that as being a huge step forward. We’ll see. Rob Related Posts“We Don’t Accept the Phony Numbers. We Fear the Emotional Pain We Experience When Our Longstanding Game of Let’s Pretend Is Exposed to Daylight. We Are ASHAMED.”“Peer Pressure Is a Huge Influence on the Human Mind. Bull Markets Are the Product of Peer Pressure. Buy-and-Hold Is the Product of Peer Pressure.”“Jeff at the Sustainable Life Blog […]

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  • “You Are Broke. You Are Divorced. You Got Everything Wrong. Take Responsibility and Stop Blaming Everyone Else.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: You are broke.  You are divorced.  You got everything wrong.  Take responsibility and stop blaming everyone else. And I was right about the Greaney retirement study lacking a valuation adjustment. Rob Related Posts“I Developed the Ideas Tested in the Study That I Co-Authored with Wade Pfau. Wade Did Great Work Testing Them and Proving Their Legitimacy. He Never Tried to Hog Full Credit for the Study. He Said Many Times That He Considered Me the Lead Person Behind the Development of the Valuation-Informed Indexing Concept and That He Believed That the Shift from Buy-and-Hold to Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Biggest Advance That We Have Seen in the Investing Field in Many, Many Years.”Goon Poster to Rob: “Why Do You Continue to Do What You Do? Clearly You Are Not Making Any Money.”“You Are Broke. Who Got the Numbers Wrong?”Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “You Are a Quintessential Don Quixote.” Rob’s Response: “This Nation Is a Don Quixote Nation. People Tell Us Good Things That We Are Trying to Do Are Impossible and we Go Ahead and Do Them Anyway.”Goon Poster to Rob: “Any Wife Would Be Saddened by a Husband Who Is Capable of Working But Hasn’t ‘Made a Dime in 13 Years.’ Since You Acknowledge That Fact, To What Extent (If Any) Does It Bother You?”“That Explains Why I Am Banned at Every Large Investing Site — I Never Had Any Success Convincing People. Makes Sense!”

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  • “Buy-and-Hold Fails Every Time There Is a Change in Valuations and There Is an Investor Who Fails to Change His Stock Allocation”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site; Just because you say something, it doesn’t make it true. Buy and hold has never failed and you cannot point to one single person with a buy and hold failure. To the opposite, you can’t point to even one single successful outcome with market timing. You are broke, Rob. You lost the game. You got everything wrong. Everyone abandoned you. You fail to acknowledge your long list of mistakes. Buy-and-Hold fails every time there is a change in valuations and there is an investor who fails to change his stock allocation. I mean, come on. Even the Buy-and-Holders say that investors should seek to “Stay the Course.” Well, an investor who stays at the same stock allocation when the CAPE value has changed is not exactly staying the course, is he? The Buy-and-Holders got it right about staying the course and about following the peer-reviewed research. They got it wrong about there not being a need to practice valuation-based market timing. Price discipline is critical in all markets. We now have 44 years of peer-reviewed research showing that the stock market is not the sole exception to the common-sense rule. Buy-and-Hold is a marketing gimmick. It’s what sells. Valuation-Informed Indexing (Buy-and-Hold updated to reflect what we’ve learned from the last 44 years of peer-reviewed research) is what works. I would permit honest posting re the peer-reviewed research at every site and see what happens. Rob   Related Posts“Shiller Has Never Put Forward a Single Word Suggesting That Investors Should Not Be Using CAPE to Practice Effective Long-Term Timing. If It Is True That Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns, As Shiller Showed, Then Long-Term Timing MUST Work.”“There’s Risk in Long-Term Market Timing? Huh? Long-Term Market Timing Is Price Discipline. The Risky Thing Is to Exercise Price Discipline? I See It Just the Other Way Around. I Exercise Price Discipline With Every Single Good and Service I Buy. The Risk Is in FAILING to Exercise Price Discipline.”“The Peer-Reviewed Research Looks at the Entire History of the Stock Market While Your Scoreboard Is How Things Feel at a Moment in Time When Irrational Exuberance Is Out of Control and the CAPE Value Is Scary High.”“The Buy-and-Holders Don’t Subtract for Irrational Exuberance When They Determine Whether Their Retirement Is Fully Funded […]

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  • “The Buy-and-Hold Team Has Failed for 23 Years to Insist That the Greaney Retirement Study Be Corrected. The Object of the Game Is Not to Avoid Admitting That You Ever Got Anything Wrong. The Object of the Game Is to Help the People Who Listen to Your Investment Advice. Acknowledging Mistakes Is a Key Part of What It Takes to Win the Game.”

    Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site: When two sports teams compete, one side wins and the other side loses. The losing team accepts the fact that they were wrong (did not do the right things to win the game). The losing team doesn’t blame the winning team for their own failures. Get the picture? You are broke. You are on the losing team. You made the wrong choices. The buy and hold crowd one the game with consistent retirement successes. Stop blaming those that made the successful people for making the right choices. Accept the fact that you were wrong and are broke as a result of your decisions. The Buy-and-Hold team has failed for 23 years to insist that the Greaney retirement study be corrected. The Buy-and-Hold team lost the game. The object of the game is not to avoid admitting that you ever got anything wrong. The object of the game is to help the people who listen to your investment advice. Acknowledging mistakes is a key part of what it takes to win the game. That’s where I’m coming from re this terribly important matter, in any event. Rob Related Posts“We Don’t Accept the Phony Numbers. We Fear the Emotional Pain We Experience When Our Longstanding Game of Let’s Pretend Is Exposed to Daylight. We Are ASHAMED.”“At the Very Bare Minimum, We Need to Make It a Practice to Tell Both Sides of the Story. Reasonable People Need to Absolutely Insist on That Much.”“Do You Think That the Buy-and-Holders Support This Cover-Up? I Surely Do Not Think That.”“The Side Pushing the Death Threats (the Buy-and-Holders) Are Also the Side Pushing the Pure Get Rich Quick (No Market Timing!) Approach to Stock Investing.”“If Shiller Put Forward a Statement That ‘The Buy-and-Hold Retirement Studies Are in Error and Should Be Corrected Within 24 Hours Because of the Harm That They Will Otherwise Do to Lots of People,’ He Would Get the Same Reaction That I Have Gotten. It Is Not That It Is Rob Bennett Saying the Things That I Say That Causes Buy-and-Holders to Lose Their Freakin’ Minds, It Is the Content of the Message.”“The Primary Effect of Buy-and-Hold Is to Take People’s Attention Away From the Most Important Factor Affecting Long-Term Stock Investing Success — Valuations.”

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    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That the Idea That Long-Term Market Timing Does Not Work Is a "Myth" of Stock Investing "That Will Not Die" Because "This Hoary Old Chestnut Keeps Clients Fully Invested" Even When It Is Contrary to Their Best Interests

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    • The Internet Blowhard's Favorite Phrase: Why Do People Love to Say That Correlation Does Not Imply Causation?

    • Michael Kitces (One of the Bravest of the Good Guys in This Field) Asks: "Who's Really at Risk When Avoiding Overvalued Stocks?"

    • Financial Mentor Article Reporting on How Our Knowledge of How to Calculate Safe Withdrawal Rates Has Grown During the First Nine Years of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate

    • Does the Trend Matter?

    • Improving RIsk-Adjusted Returns Using Market-Valuation-Based Tactical Asset Allocation Strategies

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    • Year 20 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

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    • Valuation-Informed Indexing Always Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over 10-Year Periods

    • The Valuation-Informed Indexing Advantage

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    • Normal and Valuation-Adjusted Wealth Accumulation

    • Valuation-Informed Indexers Can Retire Five Years Sooner

    • Following Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Reduces Stock Investing Risk by 80 Percent

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