Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:
The Larry Swedroe looks at the research and says that Rob Bennett is wrong about timing the market with CAPE:
Note the following: “ While valuations do provide information on future returns, the research has found that they do not provide information that allows investors to profitably time the market.”
And the summary says as follows:
“ The bottom line is that the CAPE 10 does provide us with valuable information (as do other current valuation metrics). However, it’s important that the information be used in the right way, as misusing it can lead to bad outcomes and the failure of plans. You should not use a valuation metric in a deterministic way (i.e., “I’m going to earn x percent”). Instead, the forecast should only be used in a probabilistic manner. And you should not use valuations to time the market, shifting allocations toward higher expected returning assets. “
Did you read that last line? It says “YOU SHOULD NOT USE VALUATIONS TO TIME THE MARKET”
I like the article. It provides value. So thanks for the link.
I don’t agree that CAPE cannot be used to profitably time the market. The Bennett/Pfau research shows that timing can be used to reduce risk by nearly 70 percent or to permit the investor to achieve his retirement goals much earlier in life. That’s investor heaven!
The article doesn’t even discuss the Bennett/Pfau research. Why? It’s either because Swedroe hasn’t heard of it (which shows how much damage the ban on honest posting is doing to all of us) or because he realized how much trouble he will be in with the Buy-and-Holders if he points to the peer-reviewed resesrch showing that timing always works and is always required for every investor seeking to keep his risk profile constant over time.
As always, the answer is to open every site to honest posting re the last 41 years of peer-reviewed research. Wade Pfau and I (and lots and lots of others) can make the case for market timing and Larry Swedroe and lots and lots of others can make the case against it. That’s how we all learn, by talking thijgs over amongst ourselves. That debate should have been launched on the afternoon of May 13, 2002. Or, better yet, on the day following the publication of Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research in 1981.
Please note that early in the article he explains why it is a logical impossibility that the safe withdrawal rate is the same number at all valuation levels. He explains that valuations affect long-term returns. If that’s so (all evidence available to us today shows that it is), it is a logical impossibility that the safe withdrawal rate is the same number at all valuation levels.
He doesn’t discuss how much encouraging market timing would help us to avoid economic crises. We could never get to the sort of CAPE level we have today if market timing were being encouraged at every site on a daily basis. It’s the failure of most investors to engage in market timing when needed that brought us this CAPE level (and that will have brought us the economic crisis that will follow from it, presuming that stocks continue to perform in the future somewhat as they always have performed in the past).
Rob


It is not only Swedroe. Shiller said not to time the market with CAPE. Further, your VII strategy didn’t work for you and we have never seen even one successful outcome with VII. Given all of this, there seems to be zero evidence or support for anyone to push VII.
Shiller did not say that. He published a paper in 1996 in which he warned that, given the insane valuations that applied, stock investors who stuck with their high stock valuations would live to regret it within 10 years. That’s advocacy of market timing. He was telling investors to lower their stock allocations because of the prices that applied AT THAT TIME.
Shiller once made an offhand comment in an interview in which he suggested that he had changed his mind in some respect re the importance of market timing. He was not asked a follow-up question. Given that he did not state clearly and fully what he believed, it is not possible for any fair-minded person to say precisely what Shiller’s views on market timing are. We know that he openly advocated for it at one time. We know that his entire life’s work shows how important it is that all investors practice market timing at all times. But he was trying to convey something in that offhand interview comment. Given the importance of this topic to millions of investors, we should all want to know PRECISELY what Shiller’s views on it are. What to do, what to do?
It seems to me that the thing to do is to open every internet site to honest posting on the topic of market timing. Shiller is a 100 percent affable guy. I an highly confident that he will be happy to share his thoughts once he has been assured that the members of the various Buy-and-Hold Goon Squads will not direct death threats at him if he does so and that they will not direct acts of extortion at him and so on. I have been suggesting that we open every site to honest posting for 21 years now. Not once has a Buy-and-Holder responded by offering to help me in any way to get every site opened to honest posting re the past 42 years of peer-reviewed research. I can’t help by wonder why.
Stock investing matters. Millions of people have their retirement money partially invested in stocks. We should permit honest posting. We should begin doing that by the close of business today, if not a good bit sooner.
My sincere take.
Rob