Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:
You already agreed that the value is what my account balance says because I can spend it today.
You could spend the full stated value of your portfolio if you elected to cash it in. It doesn’t follow that that is the correct value. To identify the correct value, you need to adjust the stated value for the effect of irrational exuberance.
We learned something important in 1981. That’s why Shiller was awarded a Nobel prize. You cannot just identify the value of your portfolio in the same manner as you would have in 1980 — by looking at the value listed on your portfolio statement.
I would like to see adjusted numbers appear on portfolio statements as well as the stated numbers. That would be a hugely positive reform. Ask yourself — how do we get there? We don’t get there by not talking about the subject, by pretending that Shiller did not do anything of consequence. He did something of great consequence. He showed that shifts in investor emotion — a factor not considered in the calculation of the number that appears on the portfolio statement — affects the real, lasting value of the portfolio. I believe that there will be a time when the accurate number is printed on the portfolio statement below the inaccurate one. To get there, we need to begin talking about what it is so important that that be done. We need to open every site to honest posting re the new peer-reviewed research.
There was a time when we did not know that smoking causes lung cancer. Now there are. Do you think it would have been a good response to claims that smoking causes cancer to say “there are no warnings about cancer on cigarette packages, surely there would be warnings if that really were so.” There’s a step between knowing something and taking the appropriate action in response to that knowledge. We know today that valuations affect long-term returns. But we have not yet taken the appropriate step of doing everything in our power to persuade people always to practice valuation-based market timing in an effort to keep irrational exuberance from getting out of control. To get to the point where we take that step, we need to let the knowledge in, we need to talk about it everywhere we talk about stock investing.
Not talking about the new knowledge doesn’t make it go away to. Not talking about it –pretending that we live in the world that existed in 1980 — is fraud. We don’t live in the world of 1980. The last 44 years of peer-reviewed research exists. No, that research is not reflected in the numbers that appear on our portfolio statements. That’s unfortunate. That’s bad. That’s something that we all should want to change.
Once adjusted numbers appear on portfolio statements below the official numbers, the gap between the adjusted numbers and the official numbers will diminish. At some point, we may defeat the cancer of irrational exuberance altogether. We get there step by step. The first critical was having research published showing that valuations affect long-term returns. The second critical step is opening every site in the internet to honest posting re the peer-reviewed research. Shiller’s research was of huge importance. But we have not obtained the benefits of that research as of today because as a nation of people we have not get given ourselves permission to talk about the far-reaching how-to implications of that research.
The stated value of your portfolio is not its real value. Irrational Exuberance is included in the stated value but is not real. That’s the entire point of Shiller’s research. That’s what it means to say that valuations affect long-term returns.,
Rob


All your crash predictions failed. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I have never made any precise crash predictions. I have never said “prices will crash on Day X or in Month X or in Year X.” I call that the guessing game approach to market timing. I don’t believe that it can be done. I am in complete agreement with the Buy-and-Holders re that one.
I have put forward general time frames in which I said I believed the price crash would come. Those predictions did indeed fail. Those predictions were based on what has happened in the historical record. In recent history, prices have remained high longer than than they did at any earlier time in history. We are in uncharted waters. No one could have anticipated that.
I don’t think it follows that I don’t know what I’m talking about. My claim that the Greaney retirement study lacks a valuation adjustment has stood the test of time. I feel more confident re that one today than I did on the morning of May 13, 2002. Because we have not yet seen a crash (other than the 2008 crash, which only lasted for about 12 months), Greaney’s study has not yet caused failed retirements. But it will in the event that stocks continue to perform in tjhe future anything at all as they always have in the past.
I don’t think it would be proper to wait until people have suffered failed retirements to point out the error in the study. I think that the time to do that was the day when the error was identified. I actually waited a number of years because I was afraid of what Greaney would do to me and to the Motley Fool discussion board. I knew about the error on the first occasion on which I looked at the study (I knew from reading Bogle’s book that the safe withdrawal rate changes with changes in valuations levels). I was the first, though, to point out the error in a public way. I am proud of that. I didn’t get that one wrong.
And it’s important. Getting the numbers right in retirement studies is important.
Rob