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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “You Note That Many Articles That Led to Nobel Prizes Were First Rejected. The Obvious Question Is — Why? It Is That Knowledge Generally Advances Gradually Over Many Years And Then There Are Occasional Giant Leaps Forward. This Is a Giant Leap”

June 27, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 2, 2011.  My response, sent the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

Your research IS Nobel Prize stuff.

It could be that you are just being humble or that you are pulling my leg. But in the event that you are serious in thinking that you are not in Nobel Prize territory, I want  to disabuse you of that notion. That is where this is leading.

You note that many articles that led to Nobel Prizes were first rejected. The obvious question is — Why? Why was the merit not seen on first presentation? It is that knowledge generally advances gradually over many years and then there are occasional giant leaps forward. The giant leaps are hard to follow and appreciate. This is a giant leap. So people are going to misunderstand it for a time.

The opportunity is to put everything in place during a time when few are able to appreciate the accomplishment. And, then, when large numbers of people come around, the work is done and all you need to do is to point to it. If, at the time people become interested in a new path, you have already cut through the path, you are there. That’s how it is done.

Shiller certainly merits a Noble Prize. He was asking the right annoying questions at a time when few saw the need to ask them. But Shiller (somewhat inexplicably) does NOT tell the full story. You can read 300 pages of Shiller’s fine book and not come across one paragraph telling you how to invest. People need that. People need to hear the how-to that follows from Shiller’s theory. That’s the Nobel Prize waiting to be won.

You say that “I was discouraged when I first received the desk reject…I realized that I didn’t have a chance with one of the top journals.” I don’t understand the background here. The suggestion here is that, if this lower journal rejected you, the higher ones would too. I have no knowledge base to know if that is so or not. I know the importance of the article. I am not able to say what considerations would come into play when editors decide whether to publish it or not.

Can you describe the general reaction you have seen to your work on valuations questions? Mel Lindauer obviously has been hostile. There is a sense in which that can be taken as a GOOD sign. Have others been hostile? Or intrigued? Or excited? Or indifferent?

I’ll tell you one story from the blogger’s conference just to give you a sense of both what you are up against and how huge the opportunity is that presents itself. I had breakfast one morning with a fellow blogger. We spent two hours talking warmly about a dozen different subjects. He indicated that he wants to move into the investing realm. I made my pitch for working with him. As soon as I started  talking to him about it, his eyes glazed over. He did not want to hear this. It was
like looking at a cartoon illustration of a point.

Now, that is very hard to overcome. If the journal editors have that attitude, you are not going to change their minds by writing a great article. That’s the bad news. The good news is that that attitude has been keeping competitors out of these waters for three decades. We are 30 years behind in the research we should have been doing in this field. When the eyes stop glazing over, there is going to be a huge boom. Some will be positioned for it and some will not be positioned for it.

I can point you to many questions that merit study. The problem is that, to go deep, you need to consider methodologies that will be viewed as unconventional. I’ll give one example. People ask me all the time what it means that the P/E10
is now 21. A P/E10 of 21 does not mean the same thing on the way down as it does on the way up. This particular 21 is a very dangerous 21. People don’t want to hear that. They want to hear that 21 means x and that same rule always holds.

The market has a memory. That’s one of the new ideas. With Buy-and-Hold, the market is being created fresh each day. With VII, what happened yesterday has an influence on where we are today, which is connected with where things will
be tomorrow. It’s an entirely different mindset to think of each day being a separate event vs. understanding that each time-period arises out of and influences those surrounding it.

The question that should be on every policymaker’s mind is — What will we do after the next crash? The next crash will be putting us in the Second Great Depression. We will desperately need to win back the confidence of investors. If they continue to believe that each day’s market is a separate event, there will be no effective means to counter their fears available to us. If we effectively make the case that the market has a memory, we will be able to make a convincing case that investing in stocks will at that time be a smart move. It is going to be critical that big names be able to make this case effectively and quickly. Too slow a response and the entire global economy could collapse.

Your work could make the difference.

Yes, I lay it on thick. But honestly. This is my sincere take.

Anyway, that’s enough for one e-mail. But I do think you have a Nobel Prize in your future if you care to reach for it and do battle with the dragons that will try to stop you from having it. There will be frustrations and disappointments and hostile reactions. But we are getting to the point where the wall is beginning to break down, so those negatives are becoming less of a factor.

Here’s another thing you might want to look at. Under Shiller’s model, it is not the economy that causes stock price changes but stock price changes that cause economic busts and booms. Would you have an interest in exploring an angle that has nothing to do with investor choices but with how Shiller’s work points us to a different understanding of what caused the four economic crises we have seen this Century (every one followed from a P/E10 level of 25 or above)? Why is it that
economists blame protectionism for the Great Depression? Doesn’t it make more sense to say that it was high stock prices, which caused a painful crash, which caused widespread panic, which caused the protectionism? We wouldn’t have had the problem with the protectionism if we had stopped the bull market from developing in the first place. Why didn’t we try? Can we afford to continue not trying in today’s environment?

I hope I have perhaps sparked a few new thoughts that will save you from the boring business of sitting around with too much time on your hands in 2012.

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investing research, Nobel Prize Economics, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, On Learning That His Breakthrough Research Showing That Long-Term Timing Always Works Would Be Published in Only a ‘Decent’ Journal: “There Is a Saying That Any Article Worth Reading Has To Be Rejected By a Journal At Least Once. And Quite a Few Articles That Led to Nobel Prizes in Economics Were First Rejected By a Journal.”

June 26, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Blog on December 2, 2011. Wade responded the same day,

He said: “I agree with you that Bengen’s message was rather muddled.Though he usually expressed confidence in 4.5%, in one answer he seemed really unsure.  Also, he is out of stocks now, which violates the whole point of his research that 4% or whatever is supposed to be safe with a fixed asset allocation. It’s interesting.”

Regarding his breakthrough research showing that long-term timing always works, he said: ” I was discouraged when I first received the “desk reject” by the editors of the same journal that published the Fisher and Statman paper. I realized that I didn’t have a chance with one of the top journals. Applied Financial Economics is fine.  While it doesn’t have the same reputation as a top journal, it is a respected and credible peer-reviewed international journal in finance.  Maybe it is in the top 20-30 of finance journals.  So it’s not too low. ”

As a joke, Wade noted that: “If you are right about my paper, then maybe I could propel the journal upward :)”

He followed up with a tantalizing observation: “Well, there is a saying that any article worth reading has to be rejected by a journal at least once. And quite a few articles that led to Nobel Prizes in economics were first rejected by a journal.  Not that this is Nobel Prize stuff.  Probably, at least, Shiller is going to win a Nobel Prize in one of these upcoming years.”

The e-mail ended with some reflective comments: “As I was finishing up revising my article, I looked again at 2 pages of handwritten notes I made last December in the middle of the night when I was wide awake with jetlag after flying to Iowa for Christmas. I hadn’t looked at those since maybe February, and its a nice memory about how the whole research plan came out all at once.  But then there were twists, such as safe savings rates, which came out of this rather serendipitiously.  The last year has been a wild ride with this stuff. Hopefully 2012 will provide more positive developments.”

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investing research, Nobel Prize Economics, peer review, Robert Shiller, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett to Academic Reseacher Wade Pfau On His Discovery That His Breakthrough Research Would Only Be Published at a “Decent” Journal: “Perhaps Frustration With That Experience Is Behind Your Announcement That You Will Not Be Focusing So Much On Valuations in Days to Come”

June 25, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on August 12, 2011. I next heard from Wade on December 2, 2011.

He said that “Bill Bengen seems to be slowly moving toward something vaguely similar to Valuation-Informed Indexing” and supplied the following link:

http://www.fpanet.org/docs/assets/A92E35B9-9351-1596-3767A57CD8BB29A1/10Q.pdf

He also said that “Michael Kitces has an article about Valuation-Informed Indexing issues and supplied the following link:

http://www.fpanet.org/journal/CurrentIssue/TableofContents/ImprovingRiskAdjustedReturns/

And he said that “I finally got around to finishing the revising for my Fisher and Statman paper.” He said that he aded in the rolling periods analysis and provided the following link:
http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/35006/2/MPRA_paper_35006.pdf

Wade observed: “It took me a long time to get to it. There is a pretty good chance that it will be accepted at Applied Financial Economics, which is a decent academic finance journal.”

The text of my response, sent the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

What a treat to hear from you! Super e-mail! Thanks much for the kindness of thinking of me.

I have mixed feelings about the Bengen interview. I found his discussion of SWRs confusing. His positive references to you and to Michael Kitces are certainly encouraging. But I have a hard time understanding where he is really going with the SWR concept.

I saw your comment at your blog where you expressed the thought that it is okay for him to explore his own path. I agree to a point. But getting the numbers right in retirement studies is just too important for people to be so unclear and up in the air about it. My view is that, if leaders in the field do not feel comfortable putting forward clear and informed takes (this is obviously the case), that itself is news.

If Bengen is not sure what makes sense (and he clearly is not), he needs to make public statements to this effect. That’s how we get a national discussion started. I get the sense that people in this field experience some sort of shame in saying the words “I” and “Don’t” and “Know.” Such a terrible mistake and misfortune! If there is one thing I could change, this would be it. People MUST get in the habit of saying they don’t know because that is how those with new ideas will work up the courage to speak up and help us all out.

Michael Kitces recently wrote a blog entry that was so fine that I put it in the “Links That Matter” section on the home page of my site:

http://www.kitces.com/blog/archives/206-Whos-Really-At-Risk-When-Avoiding-Overvalued-Stocks.html#c1312

That was a gutsy article. He talked about the real stuff that people rarely dare mention. He earned big points with me for that one.

Re your article — I am thrilled to hear that it is on its way to publication. I have enough knowledge of the history in this field to be able to say that that will be the most important article yet published in the field of investing analysis. I won’t even put “I think” before that sentence. This is a case where it is “I know.” So congratulations on moving that one a few steps onward.

That said, it makes me sad to hear you describe its possible home as only a “decent academic finance journal.” You of course know all the ins and outs of the politics of publication 50 times better than I do. Perhaps you were hinting that it might not be headed for a top journal when you shared the earlier comments with me and I did not pick up on the hints. Perhaps frustration with that experience is behind your announcement that you will not be focusing so much on valuations in days to come. [Wade had announced at his blog that he would no longer be performing research on the valuations questions that had so excited him in earlier days but would focus on the retirement topics that were winning him a good measure of applause.]

There are four things I feel I can say about the political side of all this.

One, going up against it is going up against a brick wall. 90 percent of my work has been on the politics side and only 10 percent on the content side. There is no way to overstate how difficult and emotionally exhausting it is to direct one’s energies to the political side of this battle.

Two, the political side is the place where the real action is. Once political gains are made, there are going to be thousands rushing forward to join the cause.Then we will be making more progress in a week that we have been able to make in 10 years.

Three, it is a metaphysical certainty that the political resistance is going to fall. I know this by looking at the numbers. The numbers are so big that there are only two logical possibilities: (1) the resistance falls; or (2) the global economy falls. As economic and general political pressures grow, those holding the wall will feel more and more imperiled and less and less confident and one day they will just let go. It is going to take something scary as all get-out to make that happen, so it would be sick to wish for it. The reality, though, is that it is coming whether we wish for it or not and we need to be as prepared as possible for The Scary Stage (to be followed by The Fruitful Stage).

Four, the only way that sense can be made of all this is with an appreciation of the power of the cognitive dissonance phenomenon. I don’t know if you have given any thought to that aspect of things. If you haven’t, you need to do so. Massive cognitive dissonance is the #1 reality here. It is not possible to pull all the threads together (or even to retain one’s sanity and good cheer) without coming to appreciate the role being played by cognitive dissonance. Studying cognitive dissonance reveals both why the good guys have been so long frustrated and why it will soon (let us pray!) become possible to make huge gains in amazingly short amounts of time.

Please let me know if there is ever any way in which I can help you with any of your endeavors. I think you are the tops!

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: Applied Financial Economics, investing research, long-term timing, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “My Understanding of the Theory [Behind Valuation-Informed Indexing] Has Helped Me Avoid Pitfalls That Lots of Others Have Fallen Into”

June 24, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on August 12, 2011. He sent a response the same day.

Wade congratulated me for obtaining a monthly column at the Financial Highway site. He said that his university subscribed to a service that provided links to media sources using the university name and that my article was picked up by the service. “So everyone here got to see a link to your article in email and our alumni director made a link to it in the alumni group on Facebook.”

He also said that he had received positive comments from a journal on his Fisher and Statman research. He said that things were looking good re future publication. He said: “I might include about the rolling 30-year periods in it rather than keeping it for a separate article.  I’ve been getting so busy and there is not enough time to write all the papers I want to write these days.”

My response, sent later the same day, appears below.

Wade:

It always brings a measure of cheer to my day to receive an e-mail from you. Intelligent discussion of investing is like sunshine to me!

That’s a great story about your university and the e-mail links. The internet works in mysterious ways! It’s so new and different a communications medium that people have not figured it out yet.

One of my dreams is to get one of my calculators picked up at the LifeHacker site. It is a a HUGE site and the calculators are perfect  for it because the site is looking to share knowledge of practical tools. So what happens a week or so ago? LifeHacker picks up one of my saving articles! It brought in lots of traffic and I am of course grateful. But it is strange for things to happen that way. My investing work is 20 times more important than my saving work and my saving work is 20 times more popular. I actually think of my investing work as Anti-Marketing. My saving articles pull people into my site and my investing articles drive them right back out again!

I like the idea of adding the rolling 30-material into the Fisher article. You have two A+ articles there. But you are better off with one A+++ article. The engineer for the Beatles said that his greatest career regret was that he let them release Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane as a single rather than saving it for inclusion on Sgt. Peppers. Sgt. Peppers got plenty of attention on its own. But it would have been even bigger with inclusion of those two songs (and the dropping of two inferior songs). One A+++ article can have more impact than a lifetime of solid B+ material. So don’t make any mess-ups in that article! (That’s a joke.)

There’s a point made in one of the Bogleheads threads in which you  participated that I think might be worthy of some of your consideration. It was one of the critics who put it forward but it was a strong point. He asked: “What is the THEORY that explains why P/E10 would be able to predict returns?” My strong sense is that people don’t spend  enough time thinking that over. I believe that I understand the theory (it is of course possible that I am wrong). My sense is that my understanding of the theory has helped me avoid pitfalls that lots of others have fallen into.

Anyway, you must get that article on the front page of the New York Times before our economic and political system falls! That’s sort of a joke too, but perhaps only 50 percent so. We really do live in times that are both exceedingly scary and exceedingly promising (but perhaps all times seem that way to the poor humans living through them without knowledge of how things turn out on the last page of the story).

Please take care.

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investment theory, Rob Bennett, Wade Pfau

Arty to Rob Bennett: “If Wade Requested You Not Share Personal Correspondence, I Hope You Can Find a Way to Honor His Request”

June 23, 2012 by Rob

Arty posted two important comments to yesterday’s blog entry on my e-mail correspondence with Academic Researcher Wade Pfau. The texts of these two comments are set forth below.

Arty Comment #1:

The report is correct about start and end points mattering. After all, we know that this matters in any single regression, but especially in comparative strategy regressions, even if using only a single asset class for the “stocks”. It muddies further if using some slice/dice model. But this reviewer’s objection can be made on ANY regression! That is, the argument *always* holds. So now what? Don’t do any regressions of any sort? That would render Fama’s 3-Factor model useless too, and many other landmark works. So it kinda’ begs the question.

I especially disagree about the transaction costs objection in that any reasonable shifting strategy (where the shifts would be rare if using PE/10) should not incur any more costs than a buy-and-holder who does normal rebalancing when their allocation shifts outside the assigned ranges.

And if using a broad-range implementation, say a 25-50-75, with hold ranges once a segment was crossed, you would see even fewer rebalancing events than most who buy and hold. I’m not arguing the relative merits of the strategies here, just making this observation vis a vis the objections.

Indeed, in many accounts these days, there would not be transaction costs (say, between Vanguard funds held in a tax-deferred account). But even if we assume transaction costs, I don’t see this as a good objection.

Finally, a writer should be able to discuss the reviewer points. That is the essence of the peer-review process, when done properly. The above would have been my objections to the reviewer comments.

Arty Comment #2:
Rob,

I am a big fan of Wade’s, albeit from afar. And maybe he can use these comments in future discussions with his peers.

But speaking only from a human point of view, if Wade requested you not share personal correspondence, I hope you can find a way to honor his request for those things he wishes to remain between the two of you only.

I know his work is exciting, and worthy of much discussion. And this particular reviewer commentary is a glimpse into a world that is opaque for many. I get that.

But we can discuss his work—as it should be on its own merits— without the private communications. Speaking only for myself here, I hope you can find a way to honor his request, Rob.

My responses to Arty’s comments are set forth in the comments section of the blog entry to which they were placed.

Filed Under: Intimidation of VII Advocates Tagged With: John Greaney, SWRs, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett re the Peer Review Report on Wade Pfau’s Breakthrough Research on Valuation-Informed Indexing: “The Elephant in the Living Room Is That There Has Never Been a Valid Study Showing That Timing Doesn’t Work. That’s Huge.”

June 23, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I received from Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on August 12, 2011. The e-mail described the peer review report on Wade’s breakthrough research on long-term timing and Valuation-Informed Indexing. My response, sent later the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

Thanks for sharing that. It’s fascinating reading. The comments are intelligent.

I agree that the focus on the earlier paper understates the importance of your findings. I fully understand why you set it up that way. From an academic standpoint, you were right — your advance was to show how the Fisher study was flawed. But the implications of your study are so far-reaching that it sort of misses the point to suggest that all you are doing is pointing out limitations of the earlier study (which never got much attention in the first place).

I love the phrase “elephant in the living room.” That gets right to the heart of what is going on here. We are all going to a great deal of trouble to avoid talking about the elephant in the living room.

The elephant in the living room is that there has never been a valid study done showing that timing doesn’t work. That’s huge.

The significance of Fisher is that at least this study TRIED to make this showing. But your work shows where Fisher comes up short. So there is now not one study supporting the core tenet of Buy-and-Hold.

The guy is right to suggest that it is a little hard to know where to go from here.

My answer to that is — We need to launch a national debate on all the unanswered questions.

What happened historically is that people came to believe that there had been a showing that timing doesn’t work when in reality there has never been such a showing. That doesn’t prove beyond a reasonable doubt that long-term timing always works, as I believe. But it sure as shooting proves that we should not be discouraging people from engaging in long-term timing or at least exploring the possibility of doing so.

We cannot get from where we are (confusion) to where we  want to be (confidence that we know what works) in one step. It must be done in two steps. Step One is to acknowledge that we do not know it all and that therefore discussion of all points of view should be both tolerated and encouraged. Then OVER TIME we will come to develop a consensus as to what works.

I of course believe that it is VIII that works. But we can never know until we  have the discussion. Opening up the possibility of frank discussion is the step that leads us out of the darkness. So long as
Buy-and-Holders think there is no need for discussion, there is no hope of advancing knowledge.

Buy-and-Hold is a closed system. That’s what it comes to. There has never been any data showing that long-term timing doesn’t work. Buy-and-Holders believe this because they ASSUME it to be true. Buy-and-Holders and Valuation-Informed Indexers look at the same data and come to different INTERPRETATIONS  of what it means.

What makes this hard for you as a researcher is that you are not supposed to discuss things like human psychology in your studies. You are supposed to report numbers. P/E10 reveals psychological realities so you are getting around the rules when you discuss P/E10. But you can never really nail things down without pointing out that the problem with Buy-and-Hold studies is that they rule out consideration of  70 percent of the investing story (the effect of investor emotions) in the setting up of the methodologies.

These discussions go around and around because the two camps start with entirely opposite premises (emotions cannot matter vs. emotions must matter) and all the findings are just the reflection of those differing premises.

In the end, we are going to have to come up with new research procedures. For example, I suggest that we look at how people behave on discussion boards to identify which strategies help people to feel genuine confidence and which only foster temporary bravado. The world is not ready for that one just yet! But it’s getting there!

You are like a spy in the investing research world who sneaks in consideration of investor emotions by making reference to P/E10, which is a number (acceptable to the Buy-and-Holders) which generates insights about investor emotion (taboo to Buy-and-Holders).

Watch your back, spy!

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investing research, long-term timing, peer review, Wade Pfau

Peer Review Report for Academic Researcher Wade Pfau’s Breakthrough Research on Valuation-Informed Indexing: “The Elephant in the Living Room Question Is — What Is the Ultimate Criterion for One to Conclude With Confidence That One Strategy Is Better Than the Other?”

June 22, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 31, 2011. I next heard from Wade on August 12, 2011.

Wade shared with me “the referee report” for his research paper on the Fisher/Statman paper showing (incorrectly, according to Wade’s research) that long-term market timing does not work.

The report stated: “To me, the elephant-in-the-room question is: what is the ultimate criterion for one to conclude with confidence that one strategy is better than the other? Or, put it in another way: should the data last longer, can we have a better idea what will happen? Not really. We need look no further than Figure II to appreciate the challenge: up to 1930, 100% stocks buy-and-hold was superior; from then to mid 1990s, the market-timing strategy fared better; they switched positions again after approximately 2008. It is disappointing for a reader to think that all the difference is only due to the choice of end period.”

It added: “This is not just an abstract question of intellectual interest, for an individual with finite years of life wants to know for sure, given the cohort she is in, what is the optimal investment strategy for her life of 80 years or so. Barring from an altruistic bequest motive, one cannot care less what’s the portfolio value 150 years later. Even though it may be unfair to demand a satisfactory answer from the author (F&S does not remotely address it, either), it would be nice if the author can feature his analysis with this backdrop in mind.”

It continued: “As market timing strategy incurs more transactions costs, is it still dominating buy-and-hold after taking into account of reasonable transactions costs? As the balance grows, the associated transactions costs may not be easily dismissed. Moreover, considering that in earlier years there were no index funds available, how could an investor, even a buy-and-hold type, implement the strategy without piling up substantial transactions costs? A hypothetical percentage transactions cost scheme would be a good start.”

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investing research, peer review, Value Indexing, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “Mel [Lindauer] Continues With His Criticism, Which Does Have Some Merit, But Which Means That We Can’t Really Use Historical Data to Study Any Issue At All”

June 21, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 31, 2011. My response, sent the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

Thanks much for sharing your thoughts.

There was some good stuff in the Bogleheads thread. I of course think  that there would have been a lot more good stuff in it if honest posting were permitted there (I don’t mean just for me, I mean for everyone).

I especially liked the chart that Fred Flintstone provided with the various stock allocation percentages that would apply in different circumstances. Except it appeared to me that all the TIPS yields listed were the same! Did I just misread that? I have a feeling that I am not reading the chart right. I love the concept.

I wish you the best of luck in your exam!

Rob

Wade responded the same day. He said that I was reading Fred’s chart properly but that it was not complete, only a slice of a chart to demonstrate the idea behind it. Regarding my comment on how the Ban on Honest Posting limited the discussions held at the Bogleheads Forum, he said: “Mel [Lindauer] continues with his criticism, which does have some merit, but which means that we can’t really use historical data to study any issue at all.”

My response, sent later the same day, appears below:.

Wade:

Okay. I love that chart idea. I am going to try to write a column on that. I like it that he is showing a practical application.

There’s of course nothing wrong with Mel’s point. It is the dismissive tone that is the problem. In my mind this idea of being dismissive of new ideas is the OPPOSITE of what Buy-and-Hold was all about once upon a time. It started out being about data and research and science and learning. Now it’s about BLOCKING efforts to learn and letting appeals to emotion overrun the science. Too sad!

Rob

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investing research, Mel Lindauer, Wade Pfau

Bogleheads Forum Poster in Thread Discussing Academic Researcher Wade Pfau’s Finding that Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Have Provided Higher Returns Than Buy-and-Hold at Lower Risk Throughout the Entire Historical Record: “The Paper Refutes a Central Tenet of the Boglehead Investing Philosophy. It’s a Big Deal.”

June 20, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 18, 2011. My next e-mail from Wade arrived on May 31, 2011.

Jacob Irwin, publisher of the My Personal Finance Journey blog, posted an analysis comparing Valuation-Informed Indexing with what he calls “Passive Investing” (what I call “Buy-and-Hold” — sticking with a single stock allocation in the face of big changes in the price being charged for stocks):

http://www.mypersonalfinancejourney.com/2011/05/valuation-informed-indexing-vs-passive.html

Jacob sent a link to me and Wade and Wade copied me on his reply to Jacob.

Wade said: “VII tends to work as long as there is mean reversion in PE10, which there usually is.  The unprecedented run-up of PE10 in the 1990s makes it hard for VII to compete then.  I think there is not much else that can be done about that.  But I don’t think this means that VII has permanently stopped working. Trying to find a specific strategy for VII to have worked in this 1990-2011 period sounds too much like data mining.  Though in other time periods, it hardly matters which strategy you choose as it is hard to find a period in which VII does not work.”

He also linked to a discussion at the Bogleheads Forum that he said he thought might be of interest to us:

http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75585&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In the Bogleheads discussion, a poster using the name “Fred Flintstone” said that Wade’s research showing the superiority of Valuation-Informed Indexing over Buy-and-Hold “refutes a central tenet of the Boglehead investing philosophy. It’s a big deal.”

Filed Under: John Bogle & VII Tagged With: Bogleheads Forum, buy-and-hold, investing research, Jacob Irwin, my personal finance journey, Value Indexing, Wade Pfau, Wall Street corruption

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “This Issue Shouldn’t Really Even Be All That Controversial. It’s Just Common Sense That the Probabilities From the Trinity Study Shouldn’t Be Interpreted As Forward-Looking Probabilities for New Retirees.”

June 19, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 17, 2011. Wade responded the next day.

He said: “It seems that the goons let the post by without too much complaint. Actually, this issue shouldn’t really even be all that controversial. It’s just common sense that the probabilities from the Trinity study shouldn’t be interpreted as forward-looking probabilities for new retirees.” My response, sent the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

I mean no personal criticism in saying this. You are in very good company. But you are missing the most important element of the story.

All overvaluation is the product of investor self-deception.

For stocks to be overvalued is for them to be mispriced. It is the market (investors) that sets the price. It can never be to our advantage to misprice stocks. So why do we do it?

When we misprice stocks, we are PRETENDING that our retirement accounts are worth more than they are.

OF COURSE it is common sense that the probabilities from the Trinity study shouldn’t be interpreted as forward-looking probabilities for new retirees. Nothing could be more obvious. A six-year old child could see this.

So why don’t these highly educated, highly paid experts see it? Why have people been citing The 4 Percent Rule for years now?

Because it doesn’t PAY to see it. There’s more money to be made in pretending that we do not see the self-deception taking place. If we can fool people (and ourselves!) into thinking we don’t see it we escape the obligation of pointing it out.

The experts are every bit as much capable of self-deception as the investors are, Wade. So the experts have elected to pretend that it doesn’t matter whether the numbers we all use to plan our retirements add up or not. The term in the psychological literature for this phenomenon is “cognitive dissonance.”

When we overcome the cognitive dissonance, we all become able to MAKE USE of the wonderful research you and many others have done. Until that step is taken, discussions like those you engage in at the Bogleheads Forum go around and
around in circles. Nothing can be brought to a constructive resolution until there is a DESIRE to get the right answers. As of this moment the desire of most is to keep the cognitive dissonance going (because most have participated in it and suffer from it).

The job is to CHANGE that. The job is to get things to a place where we can all openly ACKNOWLEDGE that the probabilities from the Trinity study shouldn’t be interpreted as forward-looking probabilities for new retirees. We have known the realities in an intellectual sense for 30 years. We need to move to a place where they can be spoken out loud and the millions of middle-class investors who don’t have time to check these things out for themselves can properly depend on the community of experts to report the realities accurately and honestly and realistically.

This is the point I am making when I say that we need to permit honest posting on safe withdrawal rates and on many other important investment-related topics at every board and blog on the internet. That’s the entire ball of wax. There is not one investor alive who does not want to know how to invest effectively. Once we gain recognition of our right to post honestly, the whole thing  goes viral and we can bury Buy-and-Hold 30 feet in the ground where it can do no further harm to humans and other living things.

That’s when those fine studies of yours end up on the front page of the New York Times, where they belong!

And that’s when all the Buy-and-Holders receive the credit they merit for laying the foundation for the first data-based investing strategy that works in the real world!

The Goons didn’t do anything because the Goons grow weaker with each passing day. The problem with Get Rich Quick strategies is that they cause great human misery. As the misery of the Buy-and-Hold “strategy” spreads, the Goons run out of supporters. They don’t have arguments. So, when they run out of supporters, they are lost.

All of this has gone on in every earlier Bull/Bear cycle. What makes this  one different is that this is the first time that Post Archives are being kept of each word that is said and this is the first time that we are all able to watch it all play out before our eyes on our computer screens in real time.

Yes, it’s scary.

But it’s also exciting as heck to think what we will be able to do once we do gain recognition of that right to post honestly. You need to run the numbers, Wade. They won’t be calling it “the Dismal Science” after we gain the ability to report the numbers accurately. Instead of putting it to use to destroy millions of lives, we will be putting economics to use to ENHANCE millions of lives.

I have a funny hunch that it is to be involved in that sort of project that you got into this field in the first place. You just didn’t know it was going to be so contentious. Neither did I. Neither did any of the hundreds of others who have worked up the courage to speak up. We are all on the same side and we are all facing the same obstacles and we all are feeling the same hopes that the future will be a whole big bunch better than the recent past.

The words you put to your blog are top-notch stuff. They are extremely helpful. You have put forward tons of top-notch stuff that is extremely helpful. Please just keep at it. If you do, over time more and more of this will become clear to you. I took a sneak peak at the last page of the story before I dared to put up that May 13, 2002, post. I think it would be okay to let you know that the good guys win in the end.

The bad guys win too, actually. It’s just that in their case they have to be forced to accept the win over their kicking and screaming.

Humans!

Rob

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: SWRs, Trinity study, Wade Pfau

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