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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“If Anyone Questioned Whether Price Discipline Is Required in Any Other Market, Everyone Would Laugh at Him. The Stock Market Is the One Big Exception.”

June 19, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Yes, I still expect those things.

Shiller revolutionized our understanding of how stock investing works with the Nobel-prize-winning research that he published in 1981. In every other market that has ever existed, price discipline is 100 percent required. If anyone questioned whether price discipline is required in any other market, everyone would laugh at him. The stock market is the one big exception. In the stock market, investors exercise price discipline by engaging in market timing (changing their stock allocation in response to changes in valuations). But the idea that market timing might not work became popular because before Shiller there was a belief among academics that the market is “efficient.” If that were so, Buy-and-Hold (failing to engage in market timing) would be the ideal strategy. Shiller blew that one of of the water in 1981. Since then, it has been a cover-up. Our Wall Street Con Men friends don’t want to admit that they made a mistake. So they are in the process of destroying millions of lives with the relentless promotion of the Buy-and-Hold strategy 39 years after it was discredited by the peer-reviewed research.

Do I think that is going to change? Absolutely. It has to. Our economy cannot continue to function if we do not find some means to get honest and accurate investment advice out to millions of investors. This is not optional, it is 100 percent imperative. I believe that the only reason why it did not happen long ago is that we all have a Get Rich Quick urge residing within us and so we find a lot of appeal in the Buy-and-Hold lies. That appeal is going to diminish dramatically when prices fall to a CAPE of 8, which is nearly 70 percent down from where we were before the Coronavirus came on the scene. People are going to be angry at seeing their retirement hopes destroyed. They will all be a lot more willing to stand up to you Goons at that point and we all will be able to make enormous strides in our understanding of how stock investing works once we have placed you in prison cells, where you belong.

Once I learned that Buy-and-Hold is garbage (this happened for me on the evening of August 27, 2002, when John Greaney advanced his first death threat), I refused to write another word supporting that strategy. All of the work that I have done since is rooted in the Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy, which is identical to Buy-and-Hold in all respects except that it corrects the one error that the Buy-and-Holders made — it says that market timing always works and is always 100 percent required.

I have an encyclopedia’s worth of material on Valuation-Informed Indexing, which is the first true research-based strategy. Millions of middle-class people need access to this material. Nobody else has ever supplied it because everyone else is afraid of the criminal acts that you Goons employ to keep people in this field from offering research-based (that is, non-Buy-and-Hold) investment advice. I have a monopoly on the good stuff today. Not because I want to have a monopoly. Because everyone else is intimidated by the threats of physical violence and of career destruction that have keep Buy-and-Hold handing on for years after it was discredited by the peer-reviewed research.

My site goes 500 miles deep on how stock investing works. It is an amazing asset.

But it only goes about three inches wide because the penalty is so great for any other site that wants to link to my material. So the insights set forth here have not reached many people.

That is going to have to change if our economic system is going to survive. So I think it is going to change. Lots of people love this country. As prices continue to drop, people are going to work up the courage to stand up to you Goons and things will begin getting better and better and better for all of us. The site will no longer be only three inches wide — it will reach all over the internet. But it will still go 500 miles deep. Everyone in the country will enjoy an amazing leaning experience because of the thousands of powerful investment insights that I have developed over the past 18 years by working with the thousands of our fellow community members who have a genuine interest in learning how stock investing works and in passing along what they learn to others.

After your prison sentence is announced, the long national nightmare is over, Anonymous. It will be all downhill sledding from that point forward.

My sincere take.

Downhill Sledder (Not Quite Yet, But Soon!) Rob

Filed Under: Investing Basics

“I Don’t Believe That We Could Have Ever Put a Man on the Moon Had We Not at Some Point Just Acknowledged That We Had Made a Mistake in Those Days When We Came to Believe That the Earth Was the Center of the Universe. Thousands of Careers Were Created As a Result of That Advance and Millions of Lives Were Enhanced As a Result of the Progress We Achieved As a People.”

June 8, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

I don’t recall any thread with “great excitement “. But even if there was a positive thread, so what? I see hundreds of positive posts every month that get people excited. None of that translates into a career. Just because you want a career in this field, doesn’t mean that someone is going to pay you for it. There are hundreds of people posting out there that provide significantly more value on a consistent basis versus your website, yet they do not have a career from it.

The last 39 years of peer-reviewed research in this field changes everything that we believed we knew about how stock investing works back in 1980. It is going to take decades to get the word out re what we have learned to everyone on the planet and to correct people’s misperceptions and to get all of the textbooks rewritten and all that sort of thing.

Stock investing matters. It is important to get it right. The core Buy-and-Hold idea (that market timing is not required) is the OPPOSITE of what the research says. Getting everyone’s understanding of market timing 100 percent reversed is a big job. It’s not one career. It’s thousands and thousands of careers. It is not possible to exaggerate how big this is.

Take the safe withdrawal rate issue. We talked about Greaney’s study on a daily basis at the Motley Fool board in the old days. We obviously would not have done that if we did not all think that safe withdrawal rates matter. Greaney did not get the numbers a little wrong. He got them wildly wrong. He said that the safe withdrawal rate is always 4 percent. When the calculations are done honestly and accurately, the number for those who retired in January 2000 is revealed to be 1.6 percent. That’s huge. Have you ever thought about how many lives have been destroyed as a result of Greany’s unwillingness to correct his study and as a result of his Campaign of Terror against our board and blog communities? I am not sure that it is even possible for the human brain to process how much human misery was caused by the 18-year cover-up.

Galileo faced a tough situation when his research told him that the earth is not the center of the universe and the Catholic Church put him under house arrest because he was saying things that upset people who had come to believe that the Bible says that it is and that the Bible is infallible. Do you think that there were any careers that followed from Galileo’s investigations into this question? I believe that there were. His investigations told us something important about the world and then lots of other scientific findings were built on top of what he did and then one day many years later we put a man on the moon. I don’t believe that we could have ever put a man on the moon had we not at some point just acknowledged that we had made a mistake in those days when we came to believe that the earth was the center of the universe and then corrected the error. Galileo was right. Our society has over time come to accept that he was right. Thousands of careers were created as a result of that advance and millions of lives were enhanced as a result of the progress we achieved as a people.

That’s what we are going through re Shiller’s research finding that valuations affect long-term returns. The Buy-and-Holders made a mistake. They thought that the market was efficient. If that were so, market timing really would be a bad idea, just as they say. But it is not so. Shiller was awarded a Nobel prize for his research because it is of such great importance. It changes everything, If valuations affect long-term returns, stock investment risk is not constant but variable. Investors who want to keep their risk profile constant over time MUST, MUST, MUST practice market timing. There is no other way to pull it off. The safe withdrawal rate is not the same number at all times. It is a number that drops as low as 1.6 percent at times of insanely high valuations and rises to as high as 9.0 percent at times of insanely low valuations. We need to get these numbers right. Getting all the stuff that the Buy-and-Holders got wrong corrected will provide enough work to support thousands of very exciting and life-affirming careers.

Look at your own behavior. If permitting honest posting re the last 39 years of peer-reviewed research in this field were not a huge thing, do you really think that you would have risked going to prison to block honest posting at all of the boards and blogs? The question is absurd. You know perfectly well that the market for honest and accurate investment advice is virtually unlimited. This is the biggest thing to hit this field ever in history. That’s why you fight so hard.

I am just fighting on the other side. I am seeking to enrich millions of people’s lives, not to protect a small number of Wall Street Con Men from having to say the words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong.” I think it can be a liberating experience to acknowledge an error. I believe that our Wall Street Con Men friends are like most other people, they want to do good things with their lives. Once every site on the internet has been opened to honest posting re safe withdrawal rates and scores of other critically important investment-related topics, they will be freed to direct their life energies to good purposes once again. I think that will be just great. Their careers will have meaning again. Their careers will be serving positive purposes again.

And please note that their careers will be NEW careers. You can’t compare the work that someone is going when he is giving advice based on research that was discredited 39 years ago to the work that someone is doing when he is giving advice based on the current research. That change is a complete change of career. Everyone who works in this field who be pursuing a new career once we have opened every discussion board and blog on the internet to honest posting re the last 39 years of -peer-reviewed research.

We’ve got a tiger by the tale with this thing!

I am sure!

Career-Building Rob

Filed Under: Investing Basics

“We Should All Be Working to See That We Never Again Experience a CAPE Value of 25 or More.”

June 3, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Uh oh, Robert Shiller days you are wrong, Rob. The stock market dropping is due to the uncertainty of the Coronavirus and he never blames buy and hold. He even talks about the previous stock market strength has been the result is low unemployment, not buy and hold.

https://qz.com/1818061/robert-shiller-says-the-coronavirus-disruption-is-different-from-other-economic-crises/

There’s nothing that Shiller says in that article that I disagree with.

I certainly believe that the Coronavirus matter is causing genuine economic disruptions. There are economic causes for the drop in stock prices that we have seen. The trouble with Buy-and-Hold (price indifference) is that it greatly increases the odds that economic disruptions will cause terrifying price crashes rather than manageable price drops.

If we were at fair-value prices (a CAPE of 16) when the Coronovirus became an issue, we would see a price drip, perhaps down to a CAPE value of 13. That’s a 20 percent drop. But we were at a CAPE value of near 30 when the Coronavirus became an issue. A drop from 30 to 13 is far more devastating to millions of people than a drop from 16 to 13. A price drop that big can transform the irrational exuberance into irrational depression and bring the CAPE value all the way down to 8. Then you have a total price drop of near 70 percent, which would bring on a huge economic contraction because of the massive loss of consumer buying power.

I believe that Shiller would agree with these ideas if he were presented with them and asked to comment on them. It is of course entirely possible that he would offer a somewhat different spin. That would be normal and healthy. What is not normal and healthy is this insane situation where we have groups of insanely abusive Buy-and-Holders (the Lindaurheads and the Greaney Goons) engaging in criminal acts to block millions of people from hearing what the last 39 years of peer-reviewed research in this field teaches us all about how stock investing works. We should be encouraging EVERYONE to post honestly because it is through honest posting that we all learn. There should not be a ban on honest posting re safe withdrawal rates or any other investment-related topic at even a single site.

Once we open every site to honest posting re the peer-reviewed research, we should all pull together and make it a community project to always keep the CAPE value as close to 16 as possible. Small moves away from fair-value price levels do not hurt much, So I wouldn’t be concerned if I saw the CAPE value rise to 18 or drop to 14. There are always going to be small ups and downs. But we should all be working to see that we never again experience a CAPE value of 25 or more. Those sorts of CAPE values create extremely painful experiences for all of us. It is because we have tolerated insane CAPE values in recent years that we are in the mess that we are in today.

It all comes down to permitting honest posting. Investors love, love, love the idea of being able to reduce the risk of stock investing dramatically. The peer-reviewed research that I co-authored with Wade Pfau showed investors how to reduce the risk of stock investing by nearly 70 percent (by being sure to always, always, always practice market timing/price discipline when buying stocks). There’s a reason why you Goons threatened to get Wade fired from his job if he continued doing honest work in this field. When people learn the realities, Buy-and-Hold goes down because all of the research shows that market timing/price discipline is 100 percent required for the stock market to function smoothly, just as it is for any other market to function smoothly.

That’s my sincere take, Anonymous. The continued promotion of Buy-and-Hold for 39 years after the peer-reviewed research was published showing that there is precisely zero chance that such a :”strategy” could ever work for even a single investor has put us all in a very bad situation. The answer is to let Buy-and-Hold go down and let the first true research-based strategy (Valuation-Informed Indexing) replace it.

My best wishes to you.

Rob

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“Why Didn’t People Just Refer to the Same Scientific Information That Galileo Was Referring To? Because They Had Believed for a Long Time That It Was Impossible That the Bible Could Contain Error. Their Minds Clicked Off When Evidence Was Presented That the Earth Is Not the Center of the Universe, Just As the Minds of Buy-and-Holders Click Off When Evidence Is Presented That It Is Not Possible To Calculate the Safe Withdrawal Rate Accurately Without Taking Into Consideration the Valuation Level That Applies on the Day the Retirement Begins.”

May 26, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

The market is crashing. Why are people blaming Coronavirus instead of buy and hold?

Because as of today Buy-and-Hold remains the dominant model for understanding how stock investing works.

The CAPE value has gone to 8 by the end of every earlier bull/bear cycle. If the CAPE value drops to 8 and then remains in that neighborhood for five yeas, people are going to start asking questions. When enough people are open to questioning, the 10 percent who believes that Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research is legitimate research will begin to feel safe posting their sincere views at investing boards and blog. And then knowledge of the realities will begin to spread.

That’s the way it is done. That’s the only way that it CAN be done. A paradigm doesn’t change in a day or a week or a month or a year. It takes time for people to work up the courage to question fundamental beliefs about a subject, thing that they have felt for a long time were certainly so. Galileo was put under house arrest by the Catholic church for saying that the earth was not the center of the universe, as the Bible indicated. Why didn’t people just refer to the same scientific information that Galileo was referring to? Because they had believed for a long time that it was impossible that the Bible could contain error. Their minds clicked off when evidence was presented that the earth is not the center of the universe, just as the minds of Buy-and-Holders click off when evidence is presented that it is not possible to calculate the safe withdrawal rate accurately without taking into consideration the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins.

But today it would be hard to find a reasonable person who believes that the earth is the center of the universe. Things change. People learn new things over time. Society advances in its understanding of how the world around it works.

Shiller is not our enemy. Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research promises to help us all live better lives. We just all need to unite on insisting on reasonable enforcement of the laws of the United States in discussions of how stock investing works for that to happen.

My best wishes to you.

Science Believing Rob

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” For a Retiree to Have Only $1 Remaining in His Portfolio After 30 Years Does Not Show That His Plan Was “100 Percent Safe.” It Shows That It Was Insanely Risky.”

May 21, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another post at this site:

Can you show us a single 30 year period in which a 4% withdrawal rate did not work?

Of course not.

What I can show is that there is 39 years of peer-reviewed research showing that valuations affect what is safe and that, if valuations are considered in the calculation, the safe withdrawal rate for those who retired in early 2000 is revealed to be 1.6 percent, not 4.0 percent. We should have been telling that to people who were putting together retirement plans at the time. A failed retirement is a serious life setback.

If someone drives drunk three times and gets in an accident each time but is still alive, is it reasonable to conclude that driving drunk is “100 percent safe” (Greaney’s phrase). I say “no.” That’s the situation we have with the 4 percent rule. We have three complete bull/bear cycle on records and 150 years of historical return data. A 4 percent withdrawal is super, super, super safe at times when valuations are at reasonable levels or at low levels. A withdrawal all the way up to 9 percent is safe when stocks are priced as they were in 1982. But 4 percent barely squeaked by for retirees who employed it for retirements that began when stocks were priced as they were just prior to the onset of the 1929 crash and the Great Depression that followed from it. For a retiree to have only $1 remaining in his portfolio after 30 years does not show that his plan was “100 percent safe.” It shows that it was insanely risky. And of course the risk of a 4 percent withdrawal was much greater in 2000 than it was in 1929 since the CAPE value was much, much higher.

In the days before you Goons threatened to get Wade Pfau fired from his job if he continued doing honest work in this field, he endorsed my drunk driving analog. Would he do so today? Probably not. He is afraid of what the Buy-and-Holders would do to him if he returned to speaking honestly re these matters. I think that that is unfortunate in the extreme. Extortion is a crime in the United States. It is a felony. That means prison time. I believe that the same laws that apply in discussions of every other subject discussed in the United States should apply in discussions of stock investing as well. Call me madcap.

The fact that “defenders” of Buy-and-Hold feel that they need to engage in criminal acts to keep discussion of the last 39 years of peer-reviewed research in this field suppressed shows how desperate the case for Buy-and-Hold has become as the mountain of evidence showing that long-term market timing is always 100 percent required for every stock investor has grown larger and larger.

My best wishes.

Mountain Builder Rob

Filed Under: Investing Basics

“The Thing That They Call a Price Crash Is Really an Emotions Crash.”

May 12, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Wade Pfau’s form says you can’t time the market. Sounds like you are pushing a fraudulent timing scheme.

https://retirementresearcher.com/occams-cant-time-markets/

Wade Pfau didn’t write that article. Wade wrote what he believed about market timing in the peer-reviewed research that we co-authored. He summed up the conclusions he reached as the result of his 16 months of study of the question by saying: “Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing works!”

One thing that I like about the article is that it sums up all of the important arguments that I have heard against market timing over the years. There’s value in having them all presented in one place.

The flaw in the article is the one made by Buy-and-Holders over and over and over again. The article looks only at short-term timing. The arguments that it makes against short-term timing are all valid. People who follow the peer-reviewed research have known for many years now that short-term timing never works. There’s no harm in repeating those arguments since they are valid and all investors need to hear them. But an argument that short-term timing doesn’t work is not an argument that long-term timing doesn’t work.

Long-term timing always works. The Bennett/Pfau research shows that. And the core reason why short-term timing never works is pretty close to the same core reason why long-term timing always works (and is always 100 percent required). Stock price changes are determined by shifts in investor emotion. Short-term timing doesn’t work because it is not possible to predict shifts in emotion. People who are in a committed relationship sometimes change their mind and leave it. Is there a certain number of arguments that it takes for that to happen? There is not. Outsiders will say “I have seen so many arguments that I cannot believe that they are still together” and yet the couple will remain together. And then one day over seemingly nothing one member of the couple will end it. That’s how stock price changes happen. They are rooted by shifts in emotion and you cannot predict when they will happen.

But the market must ultimately reflect reality. The core purpose of any market is to set prices properly. We cannot say when the emotion will shift and prices will move in the direction of fair value but we can say with absolute certainty that sooner or later it will happen. Long-term timing always works. It has always worked in the past because there is no possibility that it could ever not work. The market cannot remain at emotional extremes indefinitely. The farther away the market gets from setting prices properly, the more dysfunctional it gets. Sooner or later, it just collapses.

The thing that they call a price crash is really an emotions crash. If investors were willing to engage in market timing, we would never see a price crash because prices would just adjust to reality naturally. But when large numbers of investors refuse to practice market timing (price discipline!), the only way left for the market to set prices properly again is to crash them. When causes us all great pain by causing an economic crisis. We would be better off if we all just practiced market timing and didn’t have to live through bear markets and economics crises and all the pain associated with them.

I’ll sign off on a statement saying that short-term timing never works. There is a lot of evidence that that is so.

But, when Wade studied long-term timing, he was amazed that no researcher had done so before him given how strong the case is that long-term market timing always works. We should be permitting Wade and all other academic researchers to do honest work re these matters. Those researchers would love to help us all out if only they were not made to feel that they were putting their careers at risk by doing so.

My sincere take.

Honest Research Advocate Rob

 

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“What I Am Saying Is That What We All Believed About How Stock Investing Works in 1980 Has Been Proven Wrong. Shiller Published Research in 1981 Showing That the Market Is Not Efficient. The Idea That the Market Is efficient Is the Foundation Stone for the Entire Buy-and-Hold Model. If Shiller Turns Out To Be Right, Then Everything That the Buy-and-Holders Have Ever Said About How Stock Investing Works Is Wrong.”

May 8, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

It seems you are still trying to come up with reasons as to why everything else is wrong in the investment world, versus you just accepting the fact that your investment strategy and retirement plan failed.

What I am saying is that what we all believed about how stock investing works in 1980 has been proven wrong. Shiller published research in 1981 showing that the market is not efficient. The idea that the market is efficient is the foundation stone for the entire Buy-and-Hold Model. If Shiller turns out to be right, then everything that the Buy-and-Holders have ever said about how stock investing works is wrong. That’s simple logic, Sammy. If the market is efficient, risk is constant and market timing is a bad idea. If valuations affect long-term returns (this is impossible if the market is efficient and yet this is what Shiller showed is so), then risk is variable and investors seeking to maintain the same risk profile over time MUST practice market timing.

For 39 years now we have been living in a twilight zone where we know intellectually (because we have access to Shiller’s research) that market timing is required but in which we cling to Buy-and-Hold emotionally because we prefer thinking that the numbers on our portfolio statement are real and that we do not need to divide by two to identify the true and lasting value of our portfolio. We are going through a process taking us from a discredited model to a true research-based model. Progress has been slow. But we are seeing progress. We awarded Shiller a Nobel prize. That shows clearly that we care deeply about getting these matters right, even though we really, really, really want it to be the Buy-and-Holders who are proven right (because our portfolios are assigned a higher value by the Buy-and-Holders at times of insanely high prices).

My primary argument is that we need to launch a national debate on the question of whether is is the Buy-and-Holders or Shiller who is right. We need to hear from people from all points on the spectrum of opinion re these matters. The Buy-and-Holders need to feel 100 percent safe to express their sincere beliefs. And the Valuation-Informed Indexers need to feel 100 percent safe to express their sincere beliefs. And the people in the middle (that’s the majority) need to feel safe to express their sincere beliefs.

That’s where I am coming from, in any event, Sammy. I naturally wish you all the best that this life has to offer a person.

Rob

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“If Buy-and-Hold Was Real, the Buy-and-Holders Would Welcome Questioning and Challenges.”

May 4, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Is this part of your vast research into what constitutes peer reviewed research?

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3525096

The link goes to a paper titled “The Value Premium,” by Eugene Fama and Kenneth French. Here is the abstract:

“Value premiums, which we define as value portfolio returns in excess of market portfolio returns, are on average much lower in the second half of the July 1963-June 2019 period. But the high volatility of monthly premiums prevents us from rejecting the hypothesis that expected premiums are the same in both halves of the sample. Regressions that forecast value premiums with book-to-market ratios in excess of market (BM-BM_M) produce more reliable evidence of second-half declines in expected value premiums, but only if we assume the regression coefficients are constant during the sample period.”

Yes, that is one paper. It is part of the universe of research papers available to us.

The claim that I frequently make is that: “there is now 39 years of peer-reviewed research showing that there is precisely zero chance that a strategy that rules out market timing could ever work for a single long-term investor.” I obviously do not believe that every paper published during that time makes that point. The vast majority of papers don’t even look at that question. And there are of course many good and smart people who believe that market timing is a bad idea and who believe that that view is research-based.

However, the reality remains that there is 39 years of peer-reviewed research showing that market timing is required. If valuations affect long-term returns, as Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research shows, then stock investment risk is not constant but variable and any investor seeking to keep his risk profile constant over time MUST engage in market timing. It is a logical impossibility that any investor could keep his risk profile constant without engaging in market timing in a world in which valuations affect long-term returns.

There is not a consensus today re how stock investing works. There are two schools of academic thought and the primary researchers for both schools have been awarded Nobel prizes. What we need to do to advance knowledge is to explore the merits of the case for each school of thought at every discussion board and blog on the internet. That’s the scientific process. You learn new things over time and you explore the implications of the new things that you have learned and then you incorporate the new knowledge into your old understanding of the subject.

The problem in the investment advice field is that we have not been doing this for 39 years now. There is a mountain of money to be made promoting Buy-and-Hold strategies during an out-of-control bull market. So the idea has taken hold that discussion of the implications of the last 39 years of peer-reviewed research must be suppressed at all costs, even if it takes criminal acts to get the job done. I don’t buy it, Anonymous. Engaging in criminal behavior is not science. It is intimidation. It is the OPPOSITE of science. Science is about learning and intimidation blocks learning.

90 percent of the population today believes in Buy-and-Hold. What percentage would believe in Buy-and-Hold had we been permitting honest posting for the past 39 years? We don’t know. We didn’t play it that way, so we have no way of knowing. It could be that the percentage would be 0 percent. We just do not know.

Buy-and-Hold started out as science. Today it is a scam. Any strategy that can only be “defended” with death threats and demands for unjustified board bannings and thousands of acts of defamation and threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs is a scam. I obviously don’t say that every Buy-and-Holder has engaged in criminal acts. But a small percentage had done so at a good number of places and on a good number of different occasions. And how many of the Buy-and-Holders who have not engaged in criminal acts have spoken out in opposition to those who have? Some have done this. Most have not. And even those who did it on one or two occasions stopped doing it when the Goons turned their attention to them. That doesn’t inspire confidence in the strategy in the minds of reasonable people.

If Buy-and-Hold was real, we never would have seen a single abusive (much less criminal) act. If Buy-and-Hold was real, the Buy-and-Holders would welcome questioning and challenges. They would see challenges as potential learning experiences, not as deadly threats that must be suppressed at all costs.

Please mark me down as saying that Buy-and-Hold was a wonderful thing when it was developed and has become a scam in the days since the Buy-and-Holders gave up hope that the strategy could be defended in civil and reasoned discussions and concluded that the only way it could survive is with the ugly abusive and even criminal stuff. Not this boy, you know? Your own behavior shows how weak the case is for this “strategy.” I put the word “strategy” in quotes because the idea that market timing (price discipline!) is not required is not the product of human reason. It is the product of the Get Rich Quick impulse that resides within all of us. There is no thought associated with it.

Market timing is price discipline. It is required always and everywhere. The claim that there might be an exception to that rule on some alternate universe is preposterous on its face. That’s why it gets the Buy-and-Holders so angry to hear the claim questioned There is no research-based case for ANY Get Rich Quick strategy. Get Rich Quick strategies are supported by emotion, not reason.

This is why Wade Pfau was not able to find a single piece of peer-reviewed research supporting the Buy-and-Hold claim that market timing does not work. The claim that market timing is not required is a marketing gimmick, a money-making thing. It is not reasonable to expect peer-reviewed research to support marketing gimmicks. Research is aimed at getting at the truth, marketing gimmicks are aimed at turning a quick buck.

My sincere take.

Marketing Gimmick Challenger Rob

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“Market Timing Is Price Discipline. How Could Exercising Price Discipline Ever Be a Bad Idea? Once You Think About It for a Little Bit, You Come to See That the Buy-and-Hold Claim Is Preposterous. The Research Shows That It Isn’t So. But All You Need Is Common Sense to Understand That It CANNOT Be So.”

May 1, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Your problem is not with Sammy or any of the other hundreds you have called a goon. Your problem is that you have this ambition for people to consider you a leader in the investment community and for that to happen you need others, like Shiller, to say you have offered some unique understanding or other significant contribution to the investment community. Unfortunately, you haven’t done that. Your attempts have failed you have become frustrated to the point that you have made outrageous comments to overcompensate. All you have to show for it is ridicule and embarrassment.

I’m a leader, Anonymous. I pointed out the error in the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies in a post that I put to a Motley Fool discussion board on the morning of May 13, 2002. 18 years have passed and those studies have not been corrected to this day. If everyone in the field had been calling for them to be corrected, they would have been corrected by now, So I must be ahead of a lot of people in this field. That makes me a leader.

The question here is HOW did I become a leader? I should’t be one. I don’t have the training or experience that it would ordinarily take for someone to become a leader in this field. It doesn’t take an I.Q. of 140 to notice that the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies lack an adjustment for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins. Everyone in this field should have noticed that those studies lack a valuation adjustment long before I came on the scene. If everyone else had spoken out years ago, I obviously wouldn’t be any sort of leader.

But I am. A few others have spoken out. But not enough to get the job done. As you Goons have noted from time to time, even Shiller himself has never advanced a simple statement that the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies are in error and should be corrected immediately. So I am a leader. But I shouldn’t be. It is an exceedingly strange situation.

The job of a journalist (which is what I am — I am certainly not an investing expert) is to explain how this strange set of circumstances came to be. That’s what I try to do. I try to tell the story. I believe that there will be many people trying to make sense of things in the days following the next price crash and I see it as my job to tell them the story in a complete and honest and fair way. It’s a big job. I think that I can do that job better than anyone else alive because of the experiences that I have lived through over the past 18 years. I certainly am going to give it my best shot.

You Goons have ridiculed me thousands and thousands and thousands of times. But I have also had people like Wade Pfau marvel at my work. Wade told me that he learned over time never to question what I had told him because in the early days he did that numerous times and every time after he did some research he learned that I was right. Wade told me that I taught him lots of things that he never learned in his Ph.D. program. That ain’t ridicule!

Those sorts of reactions have taught me that I am on to something very important. And then the response of you Goons — to threaten to get Wade fired from his job if he continued doing honest work in this field — doubled my confidence that that is so. You wouldn’t risk going to prison if you thought that there was a rational case that could be made that the safe withdrawal rate could be calculated accurately without taking valuations into consideration. You engage in the criminal stuff because you see no other option other than urging corrections of the studies — and you just cannot bear to do that.

Your behavior hurts me. It holds me back But it doesn’t persuade me. There are some exceptions to that general rule, cases in which you have made reasonable points. But the Goon stuff has zero persuasive power. Actually, it has a negative persuasive power. When I see the Goon stuff, it tells me that the case for Buy-and-Hold is very weak because you Goons have all the motivation in the world to make a case for it and have not been able to come up with anything. If you have not been able to come up with anything in 18 years, how likely is it that someone else is going to come up with anything?

The idea that market timing is not required was just a mistake. There has never been any research showing that that is so. There is research showing that short-term timing doesn’t work but that is very different from a showing that market timing in general is not required. Market timing is price discipline. How could exercising price discipline ever be a bad idea? Once you think about it for a little bit, you come to see that the Buy-and-Hold claim is preposterous. The research shows that it isn’t so. But all you need is common sense to understand that it CANNOT be so.

Being willing to apply common sense to stock investing shouldn’t make me any kind of a leader. But the reality is that it does. The reality is that the Buy-and-Holders still say to this day that market timing is not required. And most people don’t correct them when they do it. I do. So, yes, that makes me a leader. I will be happy when everyone who works in this field is saying openly that market timing is always, always, always required, I won’t be a leader anymore at that time. But I will be living in a better world. I can accept that trade-off!

I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors, Goon friend.

Rob the Leader (Who Will Be Happy When He Isn’t One Anymore)

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” Valuation-Informed Indexing Is What Buy-and-Hold Would Be Today Had the Buy-and-Holders Remained True to Their Core Belief That Investors Should Look to the Peer-Reviewed Research for Guidance re How Stock Investing Works. The Message of the Peer-Reviewed Research Changed in 1981. Valuation-Informed Indexing Reflects the Change. Buy-and-Hold Does Not.”

April 27, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“ There are scores and scores of places where all kinds of people who work in this field say that they are afraid to tell the truth about Buy-and-Hold. That’s the entire story.”

The entire made up story.

t’s not a made-up story, Anonymous.

Shiller was awarded a Nobel prize for his work. So he must be saying something very, very, very different from what the Buy-and-Holders who came before him are saying. Please identify 20 ways in which the Buy-and-Hold strategy has been changed to reflect Shiller’s findings.

You can’t identify 20 changes. The fuller truth is that you cannot identify 10 changes. Or even five. Or even one.

The Buy-and-Hold of today is the same as the Buy-and-Hold of 1980, And yet research that is so important that it has been awarded a Nobel prize was presented to us all during the past 39 years. We just haven’t yet incorporated it into our thinking re how stock investing works. That’s the issue. That’s the dispute. That’s the conflict.

How do you think that happened? The piece that Shiller provided to the stock investing puzzle is the most important piece ever supplied. It would make all the difference in the world if every expert in this field encouraged investors to always practice market timing instead of being in a situation where there is this relentless promotion of the “idea” that there might be some magical, mystical alternate universe where market timing (price discipline!) is not 100 percent required. The market for accurate, honest investment advice is huge, People could be making millions promoting Valuation-Informed Indexing. So why aren’t they?

The only possible explanation is that the Buy-and-Holders are engaging in intimidation, making people feel that there will be a price to be paid if they say what they really believe about how stock investing works in the real world. And of course I have 18 years of documentation of just that sort of thing. Death threats. Demands for unjustified board bannings. Thousands of acts of defamation. Threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs.

That’s Buy-and-Hold. That’s the economic crisis of 2008. That’s the entire story. All of that criminal stuff is what Buy-and-Hold IS. All of that criminal stuff is how Buy-and-Hold survives today, 39 years after the peer-reviewed research showing that there is precisely zero chance that this “strategy” could ever work for a single long-term investor.

I don’t say that that is all that Buy-and-Hold ever WAS. Buy-and-Hold started out as a beautiful thing. It was the first research-based strategy. But research never stands still. We learn new things over time. Those new things need to be incorporated into the old understanding for the old understanding to remain research-based. That hasn’t happened over the past 39 years. The Buy-and-Holders act as if Shiller’s research dos not exist. They still denigrate market timing 39 years after Shiller showed that valuations affect long-term returns and that therefore stock investing risk is not stable but variable (and that any investor seeking to keep his risk profile stable over time MUST practice market timing to have any hope of doing so).

I love what the Buy-and-Holders believed in when they started out. That’s why I have incorporated all of the Buy-and-Hold insights that checked out (which is all of them except for one the about market timing not being required) into the Valuation-Informed Indexing model. Valuation-Informed Indexing is what Buy-and-Hold would be today had the Buy-and-Holders remained true to their core belief that investors should look to the peer-reviewed research for guidance re how stock investing works. The message of the peer-reviewed research changed in 1981. Valuation-Informed Indexing reflects the change. Buy-and-Hold does not.

And the Buy-and-Holders do not want the world to know that. So we see all this ugly stuff to keep discussion of the past 39 years of research suppressed.

I like the last 39 years of peer-reviewed research. I think it is important. So I am working at cross purposes to the abusive Buy-and-Holders. Not because I do not like them as people. Because I believe that we all need to know what the research says. If Buy-and-Hold as it is currently promoted can survive that, fine. But the Buy-and-Holders themselves obviously do not believe that Buy-and-Hold can survive as currently promoted if word get out re what the research says. Otherwise, they wouldn’t behave in the manner that they do.

It’s all intimidation. That’s all that Buy-and-Hold is today. There was a time when that was not so. But today there is 39 years of peer-reviewed research showing that valuations affect long-term returns that did not exist in the old days. And, if valuations affect long-term returns, then there is precisely zero chance that a strategy that does not call for market timing could ever work for a single long-term investor. So there is a conflict between what we once thought the research said and what those who follow the peer-reviewed research know today that it really does say. The Buy-and-Holders have the edge in that conflict because they got there first and have built an entire industry around the idea that market timing is not required, with all the wealth and power and connections that go with it.

What Valuation-Informed Indexing has going for it is the millions of investors who need to know the realities and who will be upset if they see 50 percent of their life savings disappear into thin air That’s why I believe that we will see things move forward in the days following the next price crash.

We’ll see.

Rob

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  • Strategy Tester (5)
  • SWRs (89)
  • Todd Tresidder & VII (3)
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Rob on the Internet

  • Rob's Weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing Column at the Value Walk Site.

  • Rob's Weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold Column at the Out of Your Rut Site

  • Rob's Articles at the Financial Highway Site

  • Rob's Articles at the Balance Junkie Site

  • Rob's Daily Caller Articles: (1) Can We Handle the Truth About Stock Investing?; (2) How We Invest Is a Political Question; (3) The Economic Crisis Is Trying to Tell Us Something (and We're Not Listening); (4) Facts Don't Matter; (5) Going Google Stupid; (6) How Much Transparency Can We Handle?; (7) Confessions of an Internet Troll; (8) Conservatives Fall Into a Trap by Blaming Obama for the Bad Economy; (9) Meet the New Media, Same as the Old Media; and (10) How Restoring Honor Will End the Economic Crisis

  • Humble Money Experts Are the Best Money Experts, (Rob's Article in the Integrative Advisor, the Journal of the Association for Integrative Financial and Life Planning)

  • Articles on the Return Predictor, the RIsk Evaluator, the Scenario Surfer and the Strategy Tester

  • The Myth of Buy-and-Hold and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Good Side of Stocks' Lost Decade and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • A Better and Safer Way to Invest in Stocks and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Economic Crisis Is the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Us and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Bankers Did Not Do This to Us! and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • Stock Volatility Kills! and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Risks of Buy-and-Hold and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Future of Investing and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • What the Stock Investing Experts Don't Want You to Know and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • What's the Best Age at Which to Experience a Stock Crash? and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • Guest Blog Entry Compares Our Effort to Open the Internet to Honest Posting on Stock Investing with the Civil Rights Struggle of the Early 1960s

  • Our Monster Thread (153 Comments!) on Whether Bill Bengen Should Correct His Retirement Study Now That He Acknowledges the Errors He Made In It

  • Google Search Results for the Term "Valuation-Informed Indexing"
  • Favorite RobCasts

    • Bogle and Valuations

    • When Stock Losses Are True Losses and When They Are Not

    • There Is No Free Lunch! Or Is There?

    • Risk Tolerance in the Real World

    • Cash Is a Strategic Asset Class

    • Nine Valuation-Informed-Indexing Portfolio Allocation Strategies

    • Why the Stock Market Does Not Set Prices Properly (Even Though Other Markets Do)

    • Only Valuations Matter -- Everything Else Is Priced In

    • Low Stock Prices Are Better Than High Stock Prices

    • 30 Investment Myths in 60 Minutes

    Links That Matter

    • Ten Bogus Investing Truths

    • Study by Associate Professor Wade Pfau Showing That Long-Term Timing Provides Higher Returns at Reduced Risk

    • Study by Associate Professor Wade Pfau Showing That Valuation-Informed Indexing Beat Buy-and-Hold in 102 of 110 Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods in the Historical Record

    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That the Idea That Long-Term Market Timing Does Not Work Is a "Myth" of Stock Investing "That Will Not Die" Because "This Hoary Old Chestnut Keeps Clients Fully Invested" Even When It Is Contrary to Their Best Interests

    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That" "This Ratio (P/E10) Has Been a Powerful Predictor of Long-Term Returns" and That "Valuation Is By Far the Most Important Issue for Investors"

    • The Internet Blowhard's Favorite Phrase: Why Do People Love to Say That Correlation Does Not Imply Causation?

    • Michael Kitces (One of the Bravest of the Good Guys in This Field) Asks: "Who's Really at Risk When Avoiding Overvalued Stocks?"

    • Financial Mentor Article Reporting on How Our Knowledge of How to Calculate Safe Withdrawal Rates Has Grown During the First Nine Years of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate

    • Does the Trend Matter?

    • Improving RIsk-Adjusted Returns Using Market-Valuation-Based Tactical Asset Allocation Strategies

    • A Value Restoration Project Blog Post That Sums Up in Three Paragraphs All You Need to Know to Become a Highly Effective Investor

    • Year 20 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

    • Year 10 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

    • Valuation-Informed Indexing Always Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over 10-Year Periods

    • The Valuation-Informed Indexing Advantage

    • What P/E10 Predicted vs. What Actually Happened

    • Normal and Valuation-Adjusted Wealth Accumulation

    • Valuation-Informed Indexers Can Retire Five Years Sooner

    • Following Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Reduces Stock Investing Risk by 80 Percent

    • S&P 500 Tracked by P/E10 Level

    • Treasury Inflation-Protected Income Securities (TIPS) Table

    • Best, Average and Worst Returns Since 1871

    • Compound Annual Growth Rate Calculator

    • Investing Through Time

    • Mapping S&P 500 Performance

    • S&P 500 at Your Fingertips

    • S&P 500 Return Calculator

    • Russell's Research

    • Shiller's Data

    • Safe Withdrawal Rate Research Group

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