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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“Jeff at the Sustainable Life Blog Liked Talking to Me. But I Am Not the Only Person That Jeff Liked Talking To. 90 Percent of the People He Liked Talking To Have Blogs Where They Have Posted Positive Words About Buy-and-Hold. What Are All Those People Going To Think of Jeff If He Comes Back From the Conference and Writes a Blog Post Saying That He Spoke to This Rob Bennett Fellow and He Now Realizes That the Whole Buy-and-Hold Thing Is a Con That Is In the Process of Destroying Millions of Middle-Class Lives?”

June 30, 2016 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a recent comment that I put to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Does Jeff still talk to you, or was he scared away by the goons as well?

He did not respond to the words of the e-mail set forth above, Critter. That tells the tale.

Jeff is like all the rest of us. He wants to be friends with me because he likes me. That’s why he made contact with me. He finds the idea of the Campaign of Terror absurd, which is why he said what he said in his e-mail to me. But he cannot bear to go against all the people on the other side, all the people who either promote Buy-and-Hold strategies or who follow Buy-and-Hold strategies themselves. He is a social creature, like all of us. And he can’t go there. So he didn’t respond to the e-mail. And so the cover-up continues.

To end the cover-up, we have to call it out. We need to have articles about the cover-up appear at every site on the internet. We need to have it written up on the front page of the New York Times. That’s how cover-ups are exposed. That’s how we bring them down. We all know this.

The hard part re this particular cover-up is that exposing this particular cover-up does not mean just exposing “bad” people whom we have never met and whom we will never see in the future. In this case exposing the cover-up means exposing our friends and our neighbors and our co-workers and our fellow community members. Jeff liked talking to me at the bloggers conference. He wanted to stay in touch with me. But I am not the only person that Jeff liked talking to. He liked talking to LOTS of people who attended the conference. And 90 percent of the people he liked talking to have blogs where they have posted positive words about Buy-and-Hold. What are all those people going to think of Jeff if he comes back from the conference and writes a blog post saying that he spoke to this Rob Bennett fellow and he now realizes that the whole Buy-and-Hold thing is a con that is in the process of destroying millions of middle-class lives? Jeff would get closer to me by doing that. How many people whom he likes would he distance himself from by doing that?

That’s the story, Anonymous.

Humans are social creatures. Humans possess a Get Rich Quick urge. Buy-and-Hold exploits our Get Rich Quick urge. It sounds great in the short term. It destroys us in the long term. We are in the process today of moving from the short term to the long term. Buy-and-Hold stopped “working” in January 2000. From January 2000 forward, investors have done better (on a risk-adjusted basis) earning the 4 percent real that was available at that time with IBonds and TIPS. But the Buy-and-Holders are still not doing that bad. They did great before January 2000 and they can live with the results they have seen since. So the social pressure still favors continuing the cover-up. You’ll make more friends speaking in support of Buy-and-Hold than you will saying that Buy-and-Hold is a smelly Get Rich Quick scheme. I know whereof I speak.

But what happens after the next crash?

Do we continue to tell these lies? Do we continue to exert social pressure to keep people like Jeff from telling the obvious truths about this garbage investing strategy that is killing us all? Or do we decide that it is too darn important to provide some means for the millions of investors whose lives are in the process of being destroyed to continue tolerating all this nastiness?

I think we are going to make the change. I think that following the next price crash Jeff is going to feel free to speak out about what he learned from me. I believe that following the next price crash he is going to come forward with a statement saying that he felt funny about this ever since he spoke to me and that he wished that he had had the courage to come forward sooner.

But I could be wrong.

When I put forward my May 13, 2002, post, I thought that the smear campaign against me would last perhaps two days, three days at tops, and then people would see that the numbers support me and come to their senses and that would be the end of it. So I have a record of being terribly off base re this stuff. If you want to say that you think it’s happening again, there’s nothing that I can say in response except that I continue to believe otherwise and that I am physically incapable of participating in the cover-up myself regardless of what happens. So I will just soldier on.

It’s not personal, Anonymous. I cannot lie about this stuff. When I was putting together my plan, I worked hard to get it right and I cannot bear to say things that would cause someone going through the same experience to get it wrong. It’s not in me. I cannot go there.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t like you. That doesn’t mean that I don’t wish you well.

I’ll do my thing and you will do yours, you know? It would seem to me that the next price crash will tell us who is going to prevail. If some space opens up to tell the truth about the last 35 years of peer-reviewed research, I will become one of the richest people on the planet and everyone who reviews the record will say that I earned every darn dime that came my way. I will extend the hand of kindness to my many Buy-and-Hold friends yet one more time and this time it will be accepted and we will all work together from that day forward to rebuild our broken economic system. And we will meet with great success because we will from that point forward be able to speak openly about the most important 35 years of peer-reviewed research that has ever been published in the history of investing analysis (or in the history of economics, for that matter).

Or we will all go down together. That’s the other possibility. That’s where we end up if we all continue to live in fear following the next price crash, which I suppose is at least a theoretical possibility (one that I don’t permit myself to ponder much because I cannot bear to do so).

Or perhaps there is some third possibility that doesn’t occur to me because of my background or the set of life experiences that I have lived through, some possibility where the deepening of the economic crisis that comes with the next crash ends up not being so bad and people continue to lie about what the research says and nothing ever happens to stop them. I can’t see it but I have to accept that you must envision something like that playing out or you couldn’t continue to do what you do. I don’t think that something like that can happen. But I suppose that in fairness I should at least list it among the options given the possibility that I am once again getting it wrong, as has happened so many times before in my years of struggling to make sense of the things playing out before my eyes and failing miserably to do it properly.

Something is going to happen. I hope that we can all agree that that much is fair to say.

I will live with the results of that something. So will Jeff. So will Anonymous. So will Bogle So will Shiller.

I hope that we will do the best we can to see past our differences and remain friends no matter what that something is. That’s what I feel deep in my heart.

Is there anything else that can be said re these matters?

We still disagree. Obviously. I am never going to ban you from posting here no matter what. Obviously. I still believe what I believe and you still believe what you believe. Obviously.

I hope that helps. If it doesn’t, I don’t think that I have anything else to offer.

Please take good care, old friend.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

Buy-and-Holder to Rob: “I Think You Have Rationalized MANY Things in the Last Two Decades.”

April 20, 2016 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

I think you have rationalized MANY things in the last two decades.

There’s no doubt but that I have, Anonymous. We all do.

The worst of it is that we don’t see it when we are the ones doing it. We often see it in others but rarely in ourselves.

I wish you all good things.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“I Watched a Movie Monday Night (‘Compliance’) That Shows How Such ‘Conspiracies’ Really Do Happen in This World When Authority Figures Say Something And Ordinary People Feel Intimidated Into Not Speaking Up About the Absurdity of What the Authority Figures Are Saying. The Strange and Unfortunate Events That Transpire in the Movie Came to an End When One Man Took a Stand and Said That He Just Wouldn’t Go Along With the Insanity. Most People Are Scared. I Am Scared. But I Am Even More Scared of What We Are Going to See If No One Stands Up.”

March 14, 2016 by Rob

Set forth below is a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

It is a simple question Rob. If you lack sufficient funds to last through your entire retirement, why don’t you get a job?

The answer is that the work that I am doing is important work. The fact that I am not able to make money today doing this work is trivial given how important it is that this story be told. I am confident that I will make plenty of money on the other side, after we all reach agreement that the implications of Shiller’s “revolutionary” (his word) findings must be explored in great depth by the many thousands of people who work in this field.

The big problem that I have, Sammy, is my claim that the story has been covered up for 34 years. That claim can easily be verified by anyone who cares to check it out. But it sounds implausible. We live in a free society and there is a mountain of money to be made by anyone who offers a better approach to stock investing. So it is just not believable that something like this could be covered up for so long. The way that you Goons often put it is that people would have to believe in a massive “conspiracy” to accept what I say.

I watched a movie Monday night that shows how such “conspiracies” really do happen in this world when authority figures say something and ordinary people feel intimidated into not speaking up about the absurdity of what the authority figures are saying. The story told in this movie is every bit as crazy as the story I tell about how the implications of Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research have been ignored for 34 years. The movie is titled “Compliance.”

Set forth below is a link to an article on the movie that calls it “the most disturbing movie ever made.” I agree with that assessment. I came within an inch of turning the movie off halfway through because the events that transpire are so insanely implausible. I rented the movie because it is “inspired” by true events. But it was obvious to me that the people making the movie took great liberties with their “inspiration.” At least I thought that until I checked it out. There was a 20/20 episode made about the events that are the focus of the movie. The events took place in a McDonalds and everything portrayed in the movie was captured in a surveillance video. One of the characters in the movie in real life was sentenced to prison for five years because of the role he played (he had zero intent to commit a crime when he was asked to drive to that McDonalds that night to assist in a law enforcement action). Every one of the many shocking events portrayed in the movie happened in real life.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

The humans are strange creatures, Sammy. We are NOT 100 percent rational beings, as Buy-and-Hiold presumes. We are not. We get ourselves into a lot of trouble when we try to flatter ourselves by pretending that we are. We need to start telling the truth about what we have learned in the past 34 years about how stock investing works in the real world. That’s my sincere belief, in any event.

The strange and unfortunate events that transpire in the movie came to an end when one man took a stand and said that he just wouldn’t go along with the insanity. His sanity caused the manager of the McDonalds to place the phone call that revealed the entire pretend police investigation as a sham. Someone has to take a stand to bring these sorts of things to an end. Most people don’t want to be the one. Most people are scared. I am scared. I get it why other people are scared. But I am even more scared of what we are going to see if no one stands up. So I work up my courage each day and do what I can do. I can do no more and I can do no less.

I hope that helps a bit.

My best wishes to you and yours.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“You Are Not the Only Buy-and-Holder Who Lacks Confidence. They All Do. Not All Buy-and-Holders Threaten to Kill the Family Members of Those Who Disagree With Them and Insist on Their Right to Post Honestly About Why They Disagree. But the Vast Majority Tolerate Such Behavior Even Though It Goes Against the Core Beliefs of Our Society.”

February 23, 2016 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

It has been 30 years for me. That is long term. My buy and hold strategy has worked just fine. I am now sitting on $2.6 million in diversified holds and adding more to my positions everyday.

Your words say one thing and your actions say another, Anonymous.

Your words say “I’m fine.” Your actions say “I’m worried.”

If you were confident, you wouldn’t behave the way you do. If you were confident, you would believe that what you say in this post would be enough to persuade others even if those who disagree with you were free to post honestly.

You are not the only Buy-and-Holder who lacks confidence. They all do. Not all Buy-and-Holders threaten to kill the family members of those who disagree with them and insist on their right to post honestly about why they disagree. But the vast majority tolerate such behavior even though it goes against the core beliefs of our society. And the small percentage of Buy-and-Holders who object to such behavior do so only timidly and tentatively and drop it when their Buy-and-Hold friends make clear their displeasure with them.

You don’t see that with Valuation-Informed Indexers. I have zero problem with the fact that you do not agree with my investing ideas. I call you “friend” with every post you put forward here, even after you have insulted me thousands of times. I acknowledge it when I learn from you. I say that I respect the Buy-and-Hold Pioneers because of the many powerful insights they have developed. I even say that I could be wrong about Valuation-Informed Indexing, that I have been wrong before and that, if it were happening again, I would probably be the last to know.

I could be wrong. But at least I possess enough confidence in the strategy that I follow to be see that those who believe in the school of academic thought that I have rejected help me out by posting honestly and thereby challenging my thinking and forcing me to sharpen my thinking.

I wish you the best of luck with your investing choices, Anonymous. I don’t believe that you have made good choices. But that doesn’t make me dislike you or wish you ill. Time will reveal which of us is right and which of us is wrong on the substantive issues. If I am the one in the wrong, I hope that something you say will cause it all to click for me one day. If that happens, I hope that I have the courage and grace to say the words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong.” If I failed to do that in those circumstances, I would only be hurting myself.

I wish you the best of luck in all your future life endeavors.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“Peer Pressure Is a Huge Influence on the Human Mind. Bull Markets Are the Product of Peer Pressure. Buy-and-Hold Is the Product of Peer Pressure.”

November 18, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site:

It sounds like it is all one big conspiracy and only you have it completely figured out and exposed.

I have gone farther than anyone else in two departments:

1) Exploring the implications of Shiller’s “revolutionary” (his word) findings; and

2) Using plain, easy-to-understand language re the massive act of financial fraud used to achieve the 34-year cover-up.

Thousands of people have commented on flaws in the Buy-and-Hold Model but not often enough or with enough detail to persuade most investors that they need to abandon it before it destroys them.

I see no evidence of a literal “conspiracy.” I have not seen any evidence that people got together in a room and decided to do this to us. I cannot say that there is zero chance that that happened. But I do not believe that that happened. The evidence that I have seen points away from that conclusion. Specifically, I get the same reactions at different sites. It is not possible that every site owner is in on a conspiracy. Yet owners of different sites and community members at different sites respond in very similar ways.

People DO respond in similar ways. That to me is the biggest clue to understanding what is really going on.

I wrote a column just a few weeks ago at the Value Walk site that I think does the best job of explaining what is really going on. I wrote about the famous literature in the psychology field from the 1950s (I believe it was — it could have been the 1940s, I didn’t check) in which those conducting the study showed study participants two cards, one with a line of 12 inches (again, I didn’t recheck the precise details, I am describing generally what was tested) and another with three lines of 12 inches, 18 inches and 24 inches. When asked to identify which line on the second card matched the length of the line on the first card, 95 percent of the test subjects did so successfully. But when four fake test subjects gave the same wrong answer, only one in three genuine test subjects were able to give the right answer. When asked why, they said that they wanted to be “polite.”

That’s the story here. Peer pressure is a huge influence on the human mind. Bull markets are the product of peer pressure. And Buy-and-Hold is the product of peer pressure.

No one believes in Buy-and-Hold. Not in a deep sense. Not Bogle. Not you Goons. Not anyone.

Yet the Buy-and-Holders really do follow the dictates of the strategy. The Buy-and-Holders lie about every subject under the sun. But they don’t lie about that. They “eat their own cooking.”

We know intellectually what works today. But we have not yet given ourselves permission to make use of the huge advances that we have achieved over the past 34 years.

If the last 34 years of peer-reviewed research is valid, this will end in an economic collapse. I believe that, when that becomes apparent to everyone involved, we will all join together to rebuild our broken economy. I should be working WITH Bogle. My work makes his good ideas (of which there are many) workable in the real world. I am his biggest supporter, his best friend, his partner in realization of his vision. He doesn’t see it today. But I believe he will see it tomorrow. I sure hope so.

I will be there for my friend when he is ready to do positive work, Anonymous. And I will be there for you Goons when you are able to say the words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong.”

You give the impression of wanting something else from me. But I have nothing else in me to give. I love my country and I do not want to see her done harm in this way. I believe that there is a part of you buried down deep where you don’t want to see her done harm in this way either. But that part is not dominant in you or in Bogle or in lots of others today. I don’t like that reality. But I have to accept it, like it or not.

That’s where things stand.

I don’t call this a conspiracy, I call it a weakness in human nature. It’s done a lot of people a lot of harm, regardless of what one calls it. I want to get us back on the right track and I will do anything short of committing a felony myself to make that happen. But I won’t be crossing The Felony Line. Not in 13 years and not in 13 billion years.

I wish you all good things. If that counts for anything, you’ve got that much from me.

I don’t have any more to give unless you come back to the right side of The Felony Line yourself, you nasty, dumb Conspirator!

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“I Look at the People Who Get It and Try to Identify Similarities. Part of It Is Caring About Something Other Than Investing Enough to Overcome the Power That the Get Rich Quick Urge Has to Fool Us All About What Works in investing. I Care Deeply About Journalism. John Walter Russell and Wade Pfau Cared About Their Statistical Craft. You Might Have Hopes for an Early Retirement. To Care About the Long Term, We Need to Have Positive Emotions Like Love and Hope As Well As Negative Ones Like Fear and Greed.”

September 22, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to another blog entry at this site:

None of this is about having information or lacking information, Anonymous. It is about giving in to the Get Rich Quick impulse or reining in the Get Rich Quick impulse.

The Get Rich Quick impulse is risk. There is now 34 years of peer-reviewed research showing that. That research is based on 140 years of historical data. When you give in to the GRQ impulse (that is, when you fool yourself into thinking that there might be some mystical,magical alternate universe where price discipline might not be required when buying stocks), you add to your risk. When you make use of tools showing you how dangerous Buy-and-Hold strategies are, you add to your risk. It’s been that way since the first stock market opened for business.

There were institutional investors who had information coming out of their ears who jumped out of windows during the Great Depression. Their tons of information didn’t help them one whit. Books and articles and calculators and podcasts that told them about the importance of price discipline when buying stocks would have helped them a great deal.

When my mother was alive she used to say to me that she couldn’t understand why my older brother still smoked because “he’s so smart.” He’s plenty smart. But being smart or not being smart has absolutely nothing to do with why somebody smokes or doesn’t smoke. Having lots of information has nothing to do with why one becomes addicted to a Buy-and-Hold strategy or not. The Get Rich Quick impulse is an emotional thing. It is not rooted in one’s brain.

That’s the problem I have with you. You are plenty smart. But you use your intelligence to avoid the findings of the peer-reviewed research in this field, not to explore them. I call this model “Valuation-Informed Indexing,. So I make a suggestion that being informed makes a difference. However, the full truth is that it is not being informed that does the trick. Not by itself.

If you never become addicted to smoking in the first place because you are informed of the dangers, then in that case being informed can make a difference. And being informed can make a difference once you have an epiphany and come to see how much a pure Get Rich Quick approach can hurt you. But there is something beyond being informed that is needed to make one an effective long-term investor.

I don’t today have an entirely clear understanding of what that something is. Why do some people get this stuff and others have such a hard time with it?

I look at the people who get it and try to identify similarities. That has given me little clues but nothing that has impressed me enough for me to be able to write full articles describing the secret. I think that part of it is caring about something other than investing enough to overcome the power that the Get Rich Quick urge has to fool us all about what works in investing.

I care deeply about journalism. I once believed in Buy-and-Hold. So I have as much of a Get Rich Quick urge as you. I think that what pulled me out was my love of journalism. In the early months of these battles, I saw a story. And I couldn’t let that go. I had to figure it all out, learn what I needed to learn to tell the story properly. I think that is what helped me see things that others couldn’t see and rise above all the emotional pressures.

John Walter Russell and Wade Pfau cared about their statistical craft. They are researchers and getting the numbers right means something to the. So they overcame the emotional pressures too, completely in John’s case and partially in Wade’s case. I think they both saw this as sort of a puzzle and they wanted to see the puzzle pieces click in. That gave them what they needed for the information to have an effect.

Not everybody who invests is going to be a journalist or a researcher. So we need to identify other motivators for seeing through the garbage GRQ stuff. I have a vague idea that the answer is to have positive investing emotions. People in this field cite fear and greed as investing emotions all the time. Those are both negative emotions. Greed brings on bull markets, fear brings on bear markets. I think there have to be positive investing emotions too. People need to nourish hope and love as investing emotions that could counter the two negative investing emotions.

For example, you might have hopes for an early retirement. Those hopes might give you what you need to counter all the Buy-and-Hold garbage and to become able to study and understand clearly the last 34 years of peer-reviewed research. Or you might feel love for a son or a daughter and want to help them obtain a strong financial footing and that love might empower you to see through the Get Rich Quick fantasies of a world where price discipline doesn’t really matter all that much.

Do we care enough about our long-term investing results? We think we do. I am beginning to question whether we really do on a deep level. The long term is a distant thing for most of us. It is an abstraction. We get a little surge of positive feeling every time prices go up because seeing that makes us feel that we are smart, it flatters us. To overcome that, we need to have as strong a feeling about the long-term. And to care about the long-term, we need to have positive investing emotions like love and hope as well as negative ones like fear and greed.

That’s part of the reason why I use that catch phrase in my conversations with you Goons where I point out that “I love my country.” That’s a positive emotion. I try to focus on that, how our country will be better off when honest posting is permitted, to help me work up the courage to violate the Social Taboos that tell us all that we should not hurt people’s feelings by telling them about what the peer-reviewed research shows us about the chances that GRQ strategies will be successful in the long run. I love my country. That’s a reason for wanting people to know the realities of stock investing.

These are still sketchy ideas. I think coming to a better understanding of this aspect of the question is an important project for coming days. Why is it that the peer-reviewed research clicks for some while other perfectly smart people remain mired in all the Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick garbage? Informing people is important. I am a journalist, I obviously care about informing people. But there is another element here, some sort of emotional element, that is needed for the information side of things to click.

I am no smarter than you Goons. But I get it and you don’t. Why? What do I possess that you lack?

I didn’t get it myself prior to the evening of August 27, 2002. Why does the current-day me get it when the prior-day me did not?

Why does Bogle sort of, kind of get it and sort of, kind of not get it? Why is the same so for Bernstein and Burns and Swedroe and Schultheis and Piper and Tresidder?

Hope and love are the counters to fear and greed, I believe. But what do we need to do to help people to feel more hope and love and for the information we supply them to therefore make a difference in aiding their efforts to understand this stuff?

I think I feel a column coming on!

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“Banning Any One Individual Goon or Even All of Those Who Have Behaved in an Insanely Goonish Manner Is Not Going to Solve Our Problems. The Ultimate Goal Is to Overcome the Goonishness That Resides Within ALL of Us. When We Root Out Our Goonish Desire to Develop Confidence in Get Rich Quick Strategies, We Reduce the Risk of Stock Investing by 70 Percent.”

August 5, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site:

“We need to overcome you Goons.”

That’s easy. Just delete 100% of the Goon comments (a small increase from your current 90+%.) Since you post nowhere else anymore, the Goons can no longer reach you. Problem solved. Then watch as your fans slowly crawl out from under their beds and start posting honestly here.

If you fail to take this simple step, one has to wonder what your goal for this site is. Or if you even have one.

One more thought that hit me when I read back your comment and the quote from me to which you were responding.

I favor banning Goons when they engage in insanely abusive behavior, as you know.

However, I don’t believe that we truly “overcome” you Goons by banning you.

I wrote to Motley Fool in June 2002 asking that they ban John Greaney. Had they done so, I would have gone before the community six months later and asked that he be reinstated. I believe that the community would have gone along with that. I also believe that Greaney would have posted in accord with the published rules of the site from that point forward.

We would have had the best of both worlds from that point forward. There wouldn’t be any more abusiveness, so all the community members who had doubts about Buy-and-Hold would have felt comfortable posting their sincere thoughts. But we also would have enjoyed the positive contributions of my good friend John Greaney and of all the many community members who felt a friendship for him. Pretty sweet deal, eh?

I do not support the abusive behavior of you Goons. It’s not a close call. I believe that every board and blog community should insist that you honor the published posting rules. And the laws of the United States too! I believe all that very strongly.

But I do NOT believe that you Goons are the sole source of our economic problems.

Goons show up at all sorts of internet sites. On non-investing sites, the problem is generally taken care of by enforcement of the published posting rules. That what I believed in the early days would happen in this case. I was shocked when Greaney threatened to kill my wife and children if I continued to “cross” him by posting honestly re safe withdrawal rates. But I was ever MORE shocked that Motley Fool did not ban him when they learned about the death threats.

Greaney’s behavior is a big problem. But, if anything, the owners of the Motley Fool site are guilty of WORSE behavior. Motley Fool has a responsibility to enforce its published rules in a reasonable way. When they don’t, they send a very, very bad signal both to you Goons and to the Normals who in ordinary circumstances are not willing to tolerate the behavior that you have employed to block people from learning about the implications of the last 33 years of peer-reviewed research in this field. You are guilty of financial fraud. But so is Motley Fool and all the other sites that have failed to take effective action to rein in your abusiveness. That’s my sincere take re this terribly important matter, in any event.

My point here is that “overcoming” you Goons means doing more than simply banning you. You SHOULD be banned when you put forward death threats. Obviously. But there is Goonishness in a lot of comments advanced by people who never in a million years would advance death threats. Jack Bogle is being Goonish when he says that the most that anyone ever needs to lower his stock allocation is by 15 percentage points. Jack Bogle pulled that number out of his backside. I am sure. The peer-reviewed research says it is 60 percent. Jack is not even close. He hurts millions of people in very serious ways when he puts forward such insanely dangerous and irresponsible statements.

Greaney never would have advanced his death threats had Bogle behaved more responsibly. Greaney was embarrassed for people to see that he got all the numbers wildly wrong in his retirement study. It was Greaney’s embarrassment that caused everything to go off the rails. Greaney never would have made his mistake had people like Bogle been more forthright about the decades of peer-reviewed research showing that a Buy-and-Hold strategy can never work for even a single long-term investor.

Banning any one individual Goon or even all of those who have behaved in an insanely Goonish manner is not going to solve our problems. The ultimate goal is to overcome the Goonishness that resides within ALL of us. When we root out our Goonish desire to develop confidence in Get Rich Quick strategies, we reduce the risk of stock investing by 70 percent. Banning a small number of abusive posters from our sites is not going to get us where we want to go. We are going to have to acknowledge as a society that the reason why we have tolerated you Goons for so long is that you are using your abusive posting tactics to achieve goals that a lot of us want to see achieved.

Do you see?

You Goons are cartoon versions of the inner selves of MILLIONS of middle-class investors. We cannot have reasoned and productive and life-affirming discussions until we remove posters who are putting forward death threats. But that is only our FIRST step toward becoming far more effective investors, certainly not the last.

Jack Bogle is going to need to look inside and ask himself what sort of investment advisor he wants to be in the future. It’s the same with Bill Bernstein. And with Larry Swedroe. And with Carl Richards. And with Scott Burns,. And with Michael Kitces. And with Wade Pfau. And with Mike Piper. And with Todd Tresidder. And with Rob Bennett. And on and on and on and on and on.

I hope that makes some sense to you, Anonymous.

I wish you the best of luck in all your future life endeavors.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “I Never Said I Knew the Extent to Which Valuations Might Affect Future Stock Prices. Correlation Data Suggests Historically They May Have to Some Extent, Some of the Time, Though Correlation Doesn’t Always Mean Causation. I’ll Be the First to Admit That the Future Is a Very Uncertain Place.”

July 30, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment recently posted to another blog entry at this site:

Oh, don’t worry! I never said I knew the extent to which valuations might affect future stock prices. Correlation data suggests historically they may have to some extent, some of the time, though correlation doesn’t always mean causation. I’ll be the first to admit that the future’s a very uncertain place. No boorish hocomania here. I focus on the things I can control, like gainful employment and a high savings rate.

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“Bernstein’s Lie Is Almost a Charming One. He Is Pretty Much Holding Up a Sign When He Tells It That Says ‘Don’t Believe a Word I Say!’ You Are Capable of Seeing Every Lie That I See. YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO SEE THEM.”

July 28, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to another blog entry at this site:

You always seem to read everyone’s mind since you know what they are thinking and when they are lying. Perhaps you should have a second career as a mind reader .

Do you not know when politicians are lying to you, Anonymous?

We all do. Give me a break.

Ataloss sent Bill Bernstein an e-mail asking him if he agreed with me that the methodology used in the Old School retirement studies is analytically invalid or not. Bernstein said that “of course” the methodology was valid but that anyone who used the numbers generated by those studies to plan a real retirement would have to be out of his or her mind. Does that sound like straight shooting to you?

Bernstein’s lie is almost a charming one. He is pretty much holding up a sign when he tells it that says “Don’t believe a word I say!” I mean, come on.

The lie is easy enough to see. A child could see it. BUT ONLY IF HE CARED TO SEE IT.

You are capable of seeing every lie that I see. YOU JUST DON”T WANT TO SEE THEM.

You have a large percentage of the accumulated wealth of a lifetime rising on Buy-and-Hold. YOU ARE COMPROMISED. I could show you a mountain of lies told by the Buy-and-Holders and you would shrug your shoulders. You want it all to be true. So for you it is true.

The question is — How are you going to feel about all those lies after the next price crash. Suddenly, the lies will all become visible to you. Suddenly, this massive act of financial fraud won’t seem like such a big joke to you anymore.

The lies that Bernie Madoff told were obvious. Some very smart people lost money by investing in his fund. How did this happen? Being smart doesn’t make you immune from Get Rich Quick pitches. If anything, it makes you better skilled at rationalizing away the lies that would otherwise serve as warning signs.

You WANT to be tricked, Anonymous. There is nothing difficult in tricking somone who wants to be tricked.

I notice when people are lying by comparing what they say in different circumstances and checking whether the stories match up. Jack Bogle says that investors should use the historical data as a guide to how to invest. The data says that a 60 percent reduction in one’s stock allocation is needed when prices go from where they were in 1982 to where they were in 2000. But Bogle says that a reduction in stock allocation of 15 percentage points is plenty. Huh?

It doesn’t take any superhuman power to see that the people who advocate Buy-and-Hold strategies are telling lies (often to themselves as well as to others). I don’t need to be a mind reader to pick up on lies that obvious. But I do need to know what the last 33 years of peer-reviewed research tells us about how stock investing works.

That’s why the Buy-and-Holders feel such a burning hate toward anyone who reports on what the peer-reviewed research says. The story told by the peer-reviewed research and the story told by the Buy-and-Hold advocates do not match. It’s not a close call. The two stories are OPPOSITE stories. One says that price always matters when buying stocks. The other says that it is okay to ignore price when buying stocks. Huh?

I hope that helps a bit.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

“I Really Was Right in My May 13, 2002, Post Saying that the Old School Retirement Studies Lacked a Valuation Adjustment. But I Am Human Like All the Others and Social Pressure Caused Me to Doubt Myself. Just As Bogle Has Doubted Himself When His Common Sense Has Told Him That Buy-and-Hold Is a Big Pile of Smelly Garbage.”

July 13, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site:

“I said on the morning of May 13, 2002, that the numbers in the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies were wildly wrong. “You Goons said that I must have forgotten to take my meds.” Here is a link to the thread in question. http://boards.fool.com/price-adjusted-safe-withdrawal-rates-17209214.aspx?sort=whole and a juicy excerpt or two ” As I read the data, it appeared to me that had I made an 80 percent stock allocation in 1969, I would now (31 years later) have lost all of my investment and be bankrupt. Is that true? It’s possible that I don’t understand how the calculator works, but that result was disturbing to me. The actual portflio figure that the calculator gave was that I would now have a negative $31,035. I don’t understand the concept of a negative portfolio value. That’s what makes me a little uncertain as to whether I am reading the results correctly.” and “I was wrong and intercst was right. Please read my apology to him and to the board in general at this link: http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=17225279 “

And yet the Wall Street Journal and the Economist magazine and Smart Money magazine and the Financial Mentor site and even Vanguard said 10 years later that I was right afterall. Doesn’t that tell the entire story, Evidence? I really was right in my May 13, 2002, post in saying that Greaney’s study (and in fact all of the Old School studies) lacked a valuation adjustment. That was a big deal. That was a big advance. But I am human like all the others and social pressure caused me to doubt myself. Just as Bogle has doubted himself when his common sense has told him that Buy-and-Hold is a big pile of smelly garbage. And as Bernstein has doubted himself. And as Piper has doubted himself. And as Pfau has doubted himself. And as Shiller has doubted himself.

We achieved the greatest intellectual breakthrough in the history of investing analysis 33 years ago. And we have spent 33 years doubting whether what we learned was really so and therefore denying ourselves the ability to explore all of the many wonderful implications of what we learned by denying ourselves the freedom to talk about what we learned and thereby THINK THROUGH TOGETHER what we learned.

Well, it stops here and it stops now and it stops with me. No offense. But we need to get this right. I am not going to settle for anything less. Following the next crash, there are going to be a lot of good and smart people who are going to work up the courage to stand with me. That’s that. You can bet against us if you want, Evidence. That’s betting against your country. That’s betting against science. That’s betting against the future. Given that you have committed felonies as part of your effort to make sure that we don’t learn what we need to learn, that choice will be putting you in prison following the next crash. I ain’t betting against us. No way, no how.

I am leading the charge forward. That’s where things stand.

I naturally wish you all good things.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology

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