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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“John Walter Russell and I Had a Knock-Down, Drag-Out Just Before We Released The Retirement Risk Evaluator. He Wanted to Call the Withdrawal Rate That Was More Likely Than Not to Succeed (the One With Slightly More Than a 50 Percent Change of Working Out) the “Safe” Withdrawal Rate. I Couldn’t Put My Name on a Calculator That Reported Things in That Way.”

September 18, 2015 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to another blog entry at this site:

I have no idea what you are talking about. Just in case you are interested.

I’m certainly interested, Anonymous.

Since you are a Goon, it is entirely possible that you are playing more games with this comment. My strong hunch is that that is the case.

But the other reality is that I have spoken to many NON-Goons who struggle with this stuff. I’ll give you one example. I wrote a column for the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site for a long time. I turned in over 100 columns there. The editor who read my stuff loved it. He commented on every column I submitted in an e-mail to me. He went on and on about how much he loved the column. He gave particulars that showed me that he was not just flattering me, that for the most part he was being sincere in his praise. But he also sometimes asked questions or offered comments that showed me that he didn’t really get the Valuation-Informed Indexing concept on a deep level.

I have had similar experiences with HUNDREDS of people. Please recall that I was a Buy-and-Holder myself on the morning of May 13, 2002. So an argument could be made that I had a hard time convincing myself. I did not give up on Buy-and-Hold until August 27, 2002. And there were many very important points that I did not understand until many years later.

It was the same with John Walter Russell. John and I worked together on a daily basis for over eight years. But there were a number of times when I learned that he did not understand a point that was painfully obvious to me. We had a knock-down drag-out just before we released The Retirement Risk Evaluator. I loved the guy. But he wanted to call the withdrawal rate that was more likely than not to succeed (the one with slightly more than a 50 percent chance of working out) the “safe” withdrawal rate. I couldn’t put my name on a calculator that reported things in that way. We almost stopped working together on that day. This is a guy who was my greatest supporter ever and a guy who I consider one of the smartest and most honest and kindest people I have ever known.

It was the same with Wade Pfau too. Wade and I worked together for 16 months before we published out peer-reviewed research showing that switching to a VII strategy reduces stock investing risk by 70 percent. Wade holds a Ph.D. from Princeton. So he should have been able to talk rings around me. I am sure that there are many issues re which he COULD talk rings around me; I have no doubt of that. But in the discussions we had I was the teacher and he was the student. Over and over again he found himself coming around to my point of view after we exchanged a number of e-mails on a topic.

It’s not that I am super-smart, Anonymous. I am reasonably smart but not super-smart.

It is that VII is a new paradigm. That means that it is rooted in a different set of principles from those in which Buy-and-Hold is rooted. That means that every single strategic question is analyzed differently. VII is not just a new strategy. It is an entirely new model for understanding how stock investing works. It is not possible for the human mind to believe in both Buy-and-Hold and Valuation-Informed Indexing. The two models are rooted in entirely different premises. So following the logic chains produced by the two models leads to entirely different places. You’ve probably noticed how often I quote Shiller saying that his research findings were “revolutionary.” Shiller didn’t change things in a small way. Shiller changed things in a FUNDAMENTAL way.

If you had never heard about Buy-and-Hold, you would have zero problem understanding VII. There is nothing even a tiny bit intellectually challenging about it. But it is hard to understand VII when you have spent years immersing yourself in the logic that follows from a belief in the Buy-and-Hold principles. That’s the source of the confusion. It is easy to believe that the earth is round if you have never believed that it was flat. But if you have come over many years to have a strong belief that the earth is flat, reports that it is round come as a shock and are hard to accept.

If you have questions, I will try to help. That’s all I can do.

If you don’t want to ask questions, you can review the materials at the site, which are extensive.

It’s a huge advance. I can promise you that, once it clicks, you will never go back to Buy-and-Hold. But you have to be open to hearing the new message for it to be able to do any good for you.

That’s pretty much all I can say. When you become willing to learn about the implications of the last 34 years of peer-reviewed research, you will have your mind blown. At the moment, you are insanely defensive about this stuff. That is what is holding you back. You need to approach this as if all you cared about was becoming the most effective long-term investor that you can possibly be and let go of all the concerns about whether you once didn’t understand things perfectly.

You will no doubt take offense at that comment. I didn’t put it forward as a dig. I put it forward because I have 13 years of experience in which I have been trying to teach people about this stuff in which I have seen insanely defensive reactions from lots of good and smart people. I know that that is the primary issue for a lot of people. I wouldn’t be much of a friend if I didn’t try to help you by pointing that out.

It all works. It is al wonderful stuff. But it won’t register until you let go of the defensiveness. I am not able to reach into your heart and do that for you. You have to WANT to learn about the new ideas. Then it will all come very easily.

My best wishes to you, old friend.

Rob

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The First Retirement Calculator That Gets the Numbers Right

March 26, 2012 by Rob


 

A. The Peter Lynch Fallacy

 

It was less than two decades ago when famed Magellan Fund Manager Peter Lynch believed that retirees invested heavily in stocks could realistically expect to be able to withdrawal an inflation-adjusted 6.5 percent of their portfolio value to cover each year’s living expenses. That’s the average long-term real return for stocks. The Lynch logic was that, if your portfolio is earning that much each year, you should be able take that amount out each year without diminishing the value of the portfolio. It makes intuitive sense, no?

It doesn’t work like that.

Stocks suffered a price drop of 80 percent real in the years following the 1929 crash. Say that you retire with a portfolio valued at $1 million and a plan to live on $65,000 per year. Over the next four years, your portfolio value drops almost to $200,000 as a result of a dramatic price drop. Your withdrawals cause another minus of $260,000. You’re busted! Before Year Five begins!

Today’s retirement calculators (and the retirement planning advice offered by most retirement planners) is rooted in research done to quantify the effect of the critically important factor ignored by Lynch (to his credit, Lynch acknowledged the error when it was brought to his attention) — stock volatility. There is all the difference in the world between an average return of 6.5 percent real and a smooth return of 6.5 percent real. The volatility of stock prices greatly complicates retirement planning.

 

B. The Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research

 

Only the super-rich can afford to abstain from investing in stocks in retirement. There are times when it is hard to find super-safe asset classes (such as Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities [TIPS], IBonds, and Certificates of Deposit) paying a return better than 2 percent real. The retiree seeking to cover annual living expenses of $60,000 can achieve his goal with savings of $1 million invested in an asset class paying a return of 6 percent real but would require savings of $3 million to do so if he were invested solely in an asset class paying a return of only 2 percent real.

So most retirees need to be open to investing in stocks. But retirees investing in stocks must be wary. Their safe withdrawal rate (the inflation-adjusted amount that they can take out of their portfolios with virtual assurance that their portfolios will survive 30 years) is often not anything close to the average return earned by their investments. To construct successful retirement plans, we need to know how much the price volatility of stocks reduces the safe withdrawal rate from what it would be in a world in which stocks provided their average return smoothly.

This is the question that safe withdrawal rate research — the research on which retirement calculators are based — seeks to answer. The methodology used in the Old School research is analytically invalid and thus the retirement calculators get the numbers wrong. However, before discussing what the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies get wrong, I need to explain the important insights that they developed as these insights laid the foundation for the even more exciting insights being developed today by the New School safe withdrawal rate research used to develop The Retirement Risk Evaluator, the simple retirement calculator that is the focus of this Google Knol.

The most famous of the Old School studies is the Trinity study. Another notable study is the study done by John Greaney and presented at his www.RetireEarlyHomePage.com web site. Yet a third Old School study is the one done by California financial planner Bill Bengen. The most popular Old School calculator is FIRECalc, developed by Bill Sholar, former owner of the Early Retirement Forum.

The studies look at 30-year time-periods on the thinking that a retirement plan that begins when the retiree reaches age 65 has done the job if it remains in effect until he reaches age 95. The studies are often set up not to provide any slack. That is, the withdrawal rate they identify as “safe” is one that leaves at least $1 in the portfolio at age 95. Were the retiree to live past that age or to end up spending even a slightly larger amount than anticipated, the retirement could fail under the assumptions used in the studies. Retirees who want to include slack in their plans would need to employ withdrawal rates lower than those identified as safe in the Old School studies and calculators.

The studies look at each 30-year time-period going back as far as we have good records of stock performance (some examine the historical data going back to 1870, some only examine the historical data going back to the 1920s on the thinking that historical performance dating back farther than that is not terribly revealing as to what is likely to happen to a retirement taking place in the modern era).

The method for identifying the safe withdrawal rate used in the studies is to examine each withdrawal rate until one is found that does not cause a retirement failure in any of the 30-year time-periods that exist in the historical record. Withdrawal rates above 4 percent produce at least one failure for retirees going with high stock allocations. Thus, these withdrawal rates are deemed “unsafe.” Withdrawal rates of 4 percent and lower generate no failures. Thus, these withdrawal rates are deemed “safe.” It is this finding that is the basis for the famous (infamous?) “4 percent rule” that is commonly cited in the literature and in internet discussion-board threads.

 

C. Identifying the Risky Safe Withdrawal Rate

 

The studies generated five important insights, only one of which (the first of those noted below) has been widely recognized.

Insight #1 is that the penalty imposed by stock volatility is high. The safe withdrawal rate for an asset class that provided a smoothly delivered return of 6.5 real would be well in excess of 6.5 percent  (the safe withdrawal rate is higher than the return because the safe withdrawal rate calculation assumes that the portfolio balance may be reduced to zero over the course of the 30-year time-period; an asset class providing a zero return would offer a safe withdrawal rate of 3.3 percent under this assumption). But the Old School studies identify the safe withdrawal rate for a high-stock-allocation portfolio as only 4 percent (not much higher a safe withdrawal rate than the one that applies for an asset class paying a long-term return of zero percent).

Insight #2 is that stocks often offer a lower safe withdrawal rate than super-safe asset classes. As noted just above, even an asset class providing a zero return would provide a safe withdrawal rate of 3.3 percent real. In the late 1990s, Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS)  were offering a guaranteed return of 4 percent real. That translates into a safe withdrawal rate of 5.8 percent real, far higher than the 4 percent safe withdrawal rate claimed for stocks in these studies.

Insight #3 is that it is necessary to remove all slack from a retirement plan to push the safe withdrawal rate for stocks up even as high as 4 percent. The Old School studies are rooted in an assumption that the retirement portfolio may be entirely depleted at the end of 30 years. It is of course possible that a retiree could live beyond age 95 and might want to be sure that something remained in his portfolio account in that event. Or an early retiree might want to use these studies to identify the safe withdrawal rate for a retirement that would need to last 40 or even 50 years. Or a retiree might be concerned that circumstances could develop that would cause him to need to or to want to spend more than he planned to spend on the day he developed his plan. Planning for such contingencies would require using a lower withdrawal rate. Even for those who accept the Old School studies as analytically valid (I do not, for reasons described below), there is reason to question whether the withdrawal rate identified as “safe” truly satisfies the demands of the concept. A truly safe retirement plan contains some slack to cover unexpected developments. It could fairly be said that what the Old School retirement studies and retirement calculators identify is the risky safe withdrawal rate.

Insight #4 is that it is necessary to employ unreasonable assumptions to push the safe withdrawal rate for stocks as high as 4 percent. The Old School studies assume that retirees will not withdrawal even one dollar from their stock portfolios even in the event of a devastating stock crash. Stocks suffered an 80 percent price drop in the years following the 1929 crash. A price drop of 80 percent would cause a high-stock-allocation portfolio of $1 million to fall in value almost down to $200,000 (the loss would be less than $800,000 because the portfolio would not be entirely comprised of stocks) and five years of $40,000 withdrawals would eat away the remaining funds. In the two cases in the historical record in which the issue came up, stocks recovered before retirees following The 4 Percent Rule went under. But it is unlikely that one retiree in 100 would not lower his stock allocation in such circumstances (and these are the very sorts of circumstances that retirees seeking to learn what it takes to plan a safe retirement are seeking to address in their retirement planning efforts!).

This always dubious assumption was shown to be patently dangerous with the reaction of several financial planners to the crash of late 2008. William Bengen, the author of one of the Old School studies, advised his clients to go to stock allocations of zero in the wake of the crash. Taylor Larimore, the author of the book The Bogleheads Guide to Investing, reversed himself on years of preaching that investors should stick with their stock allocations during a price drop, saying that he all along had a “Plan B” of going in such circumstances to a zero stock allocation; never once in his book or in the tens of thousands of posts he put to discussion boards in the years prior to the crash had Larimore let those planning their retirements pursuant to his investment advice know about “Plan B”.

Behavior of which even big name experts are not capable should not be assumed of all investors in studies purporting to identify safe withdrawal rates. The numbers in the Old School studies do not apply in the event that the retiree sells even a single share of stock in the wake of a price crash. It could fairly be said that what the Old School retirement studies and retirement calculators identify is the very risky safe withdrawal rate.

Insight #5 follows from consideration of the earlier four insights: Investing “experts” are loathe to acknowledge the extent of the dangers of investing in stocks in “studies” published in the heat of out-of-control bull markets. The true safe withdrawal rate is clearly sometimes a number a great deal lower than 4 percent.

The authors of the conventional studies are to be applauded for highlighting the Peter Lynch fallacy; it is generally accepted today that the safe withdrawal rate for retirees heavily invested in stocks can be as low as 4 percent. But I think it is fair to say that the Old School studies are the product of a huge pro-stock bias on the part of the researchers (presumably one of which they are not entirely conscious). Choices made in the development of the methodology used in the studies were consistently ones that push the safe withdrawal rate for a high-stock-allocation portfolio higher than what it it would be if more reasonable assumptions were employed.

The finding that the safe withdrawal rate for stocks is 4 percent was shocking. Had the studies been developed in more scientific ways, the findings generated would have been knock-your-socks-off alarming for Buy-and-Hold stock investors.

 

D. Science Goes Out the Window in Bull Markets

 

I come not to bury stocks but to praise them.

And I come not to bury the experts responsible for the Old School retirement planning studies but to praise them too.

I know that I sound critical. I need to sound critical because it is imperative that these studies be corrected. There are millions of middle-class investors who are likely going to suffer failed retirements in days to come as a result of the analytical errors (both those noted above and the even more serious one to be discussed below) driving them. But I also believe that in fairness it needs to be said that the researchers were constrained from doing accurate research by a powerful force — the widespread belief in the Buy-and-Hold Model for understanding how stock investing works.

Buy-and-Hold became dominant in the 1960s and 1970s. Yale Professor Robert Shiller published research in 1981 showing Buy-and-Hold to be  the opposite of what works (Shiller’s research shows that the key to long-term investing success is not avoiding stock allocation changes but being willing to make those allocation changes demanded of those aiming to keep their risk profiles roughly constant when valuations change dramatically) . Leaders in the field found it impossible to accept the implications of Shiller’s research and have held back from doing so to this day (please see my Google Knols entitled “Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work” and “The Bull Market Caused the Economic Crisis” for background). During this time-period serious questioning of the Buy-and-Hold Model was viewed as grounds for social ostracism (Shiller has pointed out that those who understand the effect of valuations often fail to share all they know because the many numbers-obsessed experts who work in this field view it as “unprofessional” to consider emotion-based factors [all overvaluation and undervaluation is caused by investor emotion]). The watered-down findings of the Old School research were viewed as bad news from a marketing perspective by many in the environment created by the most out-of-control bull market ever seen in U.S. history. Had the safe withdrawal rate researchers followed their examinations of the historical data where the science led them, their findings would have blown the roof off of the house. They should have done so. They would have been heroes had they done so. But asking perfection of any of the flawed humans (that’s all of us) is asking a lot. Many of us would have felt temptations to employ methodologies that slanted the results in favor of stocks had we been put in similar circumstances.

Stock investing is an intensely emotional endeavor. Scientific research is theoretically an objective endeavor. The effort to employ science in the development of a better-informed investment analysis was an important and promising one but one comprised of traps for the researchers participating in it that were not recognized at the time the effort got underway. The short version of my message here is — Had the researchers told the blunt truth about what the historical data says about the safety of stocks in a retirement portfolio in the middle of an insane bull market, they would have been hung from a tree! Please read up on the reaction that I have seen to the work I have done in this field if you have thoughts that I am exaggerating. I know whereof I speak re this matter.

The Old School research was published at a time when stocks were (nearly) universally loved with a burning passion. The job that the researchers took on was to report dispassionately on the message of the historical data re the safety of stocks in a retirement portfolio. The message is extremely discouraging for stock enthusiasts. Cognitive dissonance kicked in and they did the best they could in exceedingly difficult circumstances, which was a good bit better than anything that had been done by anyone coming before them but a good bit less than what we need to demand if we are to help aspiring retirees craft retirement plans with good prospects for long-term success.

 

E. The New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research

 

The problem that the researchers faced is that the data says that stock are a truly terrible investment choice for retirees. But that cannot be! We cannot steer retirees away from stocks. To do so will delay their retirements by many years. There must be another way!

There is another way, a way that does not require the dangerous (and — let’s be blunt — ethically dubious) fudging evidenced in the Old School studies. The other way is to reject the premises of the Buy-and-Hold Model and look at the question of the riskiness of using stocks in a retirement portfolio in a fresh way.

Retirees need to invest in stocks. The cost of avoiding the high returns associated with stocks is too great to do otherwise. But the data shows that price volatility is so great that stocks are not suitable for retirees. We need to figure out a way to smooth returns for retirees and thereby become able to recommend that they invest in stocks without continuing to deceive them about what the historical data says.

It can be done! The answer is to let retirees know that they need to avoid stocks when their price volatility presents a real danger while investing heavily in stocks when this is not the case. Buy-and-Hold is rooted in a premise that stock returns are not predictable. This premise was discredited by Shiller’s research but the discrediting was ignored by Buy-and-Hold advocates concerned that acknowledging it would mean rewriting their books and restructuring their calculators and generally acknowledging that they did not know all there is to know about stocks going back to the first day they began studying the matter.

Shiller’s research has been largely ignored by researchers with an emotional attachment to stocks because stocks have been insanely overvalued for almost all of the time-period stretching from 1996 through today. During times of insane overvaluation, taking valuations into account in investment research makes stocks look not as exciting as they would look if the research ignored this critically important factor.

But prices have crashed in recent years and are likely to crash again sometime over the next few years in the event that stocks continue to perform in the future anything at all as they always have in the past (stock prices have dropped to half of fair value in the wake of all previous trips to insane levels of overvaluation — the economic destruction that results when millions of investors have no idea of their true wealth and thus engage in millions of ill-considered spending and saving decisions has in the past always caused enough panic to bring stock prices far lower than what they would have been had they not for a time been pumped up to unsustainable levels). Considering valuations at times when stocks are insanely underpriced has the opposite effect of considering valuations at times when stocks are insanely overpriced. When prices are low, analytically valid research makes stocks look better than they appear using the analytically invalid methodology used in the conventional studies. After the next crash, there will not be much marketing purpose served by misstating the safe withdrawal rate. We may soon be entering a time when stock analysts will feel free for the first time since investment analysis became a scientific endeavor to report accurately the numbers that we all use to plan our retirements.

It will then be socially acceptable for all researchers to consider the effect of valuations. Those already doing so today are the pioneers of the New School of safe withdrawal rate research.

 

F. The Safe Withdrawal Rate Varies with Changes in Valuation Levels

 

What if Shiller is right, what if valuations really do affect long-term returns? If that were so and if we gave ourselves permission to report the numbers accurately, our troubles would be solved. If that were so (there is now a mountain of data showing that it is — but sssh! Don’t upset the “experts” by saying this out loud!), it would be possible to tell retirees a way to invest in stocks without taking on much more risk than they would be taking on by investing only in super-safe asset classes like TIPS and IBonds and Certificates of Deposit.

Shiller’s research shows that valuations affect long-term returns. If that’s so, then the value proposition provided by stocks changes with changes in valuation levels — stocks do not provide the same returns in exchange for an investor’s willingness to take on risk at all times but greater returns in exchange for taking on less risk at some valuation levels compared to others. The implications are far reaching, far reaching enough to identify Shiller’s finding as the most exciting breakthrough in our understanding of how stock investing works in history.

What if we identified the valuation levels at which stocks make sense for retirees and advised them to invest heavily in stocks only when they were available at those valuation levels? Our problem would be solved. Retirees could still take advantage of the juicy returns offered by stocks because the extreme valuation time-periods that cause all the trouble are rare and would never apply for the entire length of a retirement. But they could do so by taking on only a fraction of the risk that they are required to take on when investing pursuant to the Buy–and-Hold model (which encourages investors to ignore valuation levels when setting their stock allocations and thus to remain at the high stock allocations that make sense at times when stocks are priced reasonably even when stocks are priced to crash).

Taking the price at which stocks are selling into consideration when setting your stock allocation is a way of smoothing out the return offered by this asset class. An investor who invests heavily in stocks at times when they are selling at low prices will obviously earn a return higher than the 6.5 percent average long-term return, which is the return that applies at times of moderate prices. Obtaining a return higher than the average return during times of low prices counters for the lower return obtained at times when stocks are selling at dangerously high prices and the investor is forced to move to safer asset classes until stocks are again available at prices that do not require him to take on levels of risk that he is not able to tolerate. In contrast, the Buy-and-Hold investor at some times is taking on far less risk than what is suitable for someone of his risk tolerance and at other times taking on far more risk than is suitable for someone of his risk tolerance, obviously not an ideal approach to managing risk.

It turns out that the best way for an investor to manage risk is to be willing to take into consideration the biggest factor affecting risk, the factor that may not be taken into consideration for marketing reasons by those in The Stock-Selling Industry at times when stocks are insanely overpriced.

 

G. FIRECalc Tells the Tale

 

Are you up for an illuminating mental exercise? Please open a second window on your internet browser and pull up the FIRECalc retirement calculator in it. Enter a withdrawal rate of 5 percent or 6 percent, one sufficiently higher than the purported safe withdrawal rate of 4 percent to generate a good number of retirement failures. Look at the retirement failures generated and see if you can identify a common theme.

The common theme is — they all are retirements that begin in years of high valuations. It is not price volatility in general that causes retirement failures, it is only price volatility that evidences itself at times of high valuations that causes trouble. Why? Price volatility that takes place at times of reasonable valuations is a harmless phenomena; in the event that volatility causes stocks to drop to prices much below fair value, the Reversion to the Mean phenomenon will in a few years cause them to come back — the losses suffered in price drops from fair value are temporary. In contrast, price drops suffered at times of high valuations are permanent; they are a paying back of artificial price gains obtained by a borrowing from future returns. It is not the ownership of stocks that makes a retirement plan risky. It is the ownership of high-priced stocks that make a retirement plan risky.

This makes perfect sense. Think what stock overvaluation signifies. It signifies that the nominal price being cited is not the accurate price. When stocks are priced at three times fair value, as they were in January 2000, a portfolio of $1 million does not provide $1 million in long-term buying power. It provides about $350,000 in long-term buying power. The other $650,000 is cotton-candy nothingness fated to be blown away in the wind as the stock price works its way back to fair value (Reversion to the Mean is an “Iron Law” of stock investing, according to Vanguard Founder John Bogle).

In 1982, stocks were priced at one-half fair value. Someone retiring at that time with a portfolio nominally valued at $1 million possessed stocks with a long-term value of not $350,000 (as did the retiree who retired with a $1 million portfolio in 2000) or $1 million (as did the retiree who retired at a time of fair-value prices) but of $2 million. A retiree starting with a portfolio value of $2 million is obviously in far better shape than a retiree starting with a portfolio value of $350,000. Is there any argument that can be made that the same withdrawal rate is safe for both of these retirees? My feeble brain is not capable of imagining one. Perhaps I need to spend more time learning about Alpha and Beta and Yabba Dabba Do!

The Old School studies claim that a 4 percent withdrawal is safe for retirements beginning at all possible valuation levels. But the idea that there could be any one safe withdrawal rate that would apply at all valuation levels is a logical impossibility in the event that valuations affect long-term returns. The only way that the Old School studies could be said to get the numbers right is if the Efficient Market Theory were proven out. This theory, which posits that investors always price stocks properly, was popular among academics in the 1960s and 1970s but has been discredited by the last 30 years of research.

 

H. The Valuation Level Applying When the Retirement Begins Is the Biggest Factor Affecting Retirement Safety

 

The valuation level that applies on he day the retirement begins is  the single biggest factor bearing on the safety or lack thereof of the retirement plan. The Old School studies,  developed in accord with the premises of the Buy-and-Hold Model, ignore this factor. Thus, the studies get all the numbers wildly wrong. And the retirement calculators based on these studies also get all the numbers wrong. We need a newfangled sort of retirement calculator!

Enter The Retirement Risk Evaluator. (Please open The Retirement Risk Evaluator on the window in your internet browser used earlier to open the FIRECalc calculator).

This simple retirement calculator’s default numbers (the numbers that appear before you enter any numbers of your own for the calculator to process) show the safe withdrawal rate that applies in four scenarios. To make the four sets of results comparable, the same assumptions have been chosen for three of the factors considered by the calculator (the return for the non-stock asset class, the stock allocation percentage, and the portfolio balance required at the end of the 30-year time-period examined by the calculator). The only difference is that Scenario One reports the safe withdrawal rate that applies for a retirement that begins at a time when the P/E10 value is 8 (an insanely low valuation level); Scenario Two reports the safe withdrawal rate that applies for a retirement that begins at a time when the P/E10 value is 14 (the fair-value P/E10 level); Scenario Three reports the safe withdrawal rate that applies for a retirement that begins at a time when the P/E10 value is 26 (an insanely high valuation level); and Scenario Four reports the safe withdrawal rate that applies for a retirement that begins at a time when the P/E10 value is 44 (the P/E10 value that applied in January 2000, the highest valuation level on record in the United States).

The safe withdrawal rates are: (1) 9.13 (the low valuation scenario); (2) 5.41 (the fair-value valuation scenario); (3) 3.12 (the high valuation scenario); and (4) 2.02 (the January 2000 valuation scenario). Given these results (obtained by running a regression analysis on the historical stock-return data to determine the effect that valuations have had on long-term returns throughout the historical record), I think it is fair to say that valuations matter when putting together a retirement plan.

 

I. Retirement Planning Is A Community Endeavor

 

I also think it would be fair to say that any retirement calculator that fails to include an adjustment for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins is analytically invalid and needs to be corrected before it causes more failed retirements. I urge both all experts and all ordinary investors to insist that the authors of the discredited studies and calculators correct them promptly. I also ask your assistance in publicizing The Retirement RIsk Evaluator. We all benefit when aspiring retirees learn how to plan their retirements more effectively. Please help get the word out.

Please scroll down the calculator page to read background on how it was developed and on how it works. At the bottom of the page, there are links to several articles providing more in-depth guidance. You also might want to check out RobCast #189, “The Retirement Risk Evaluator,” in which I discuss in some depth the workings of the calculator and the benefits it provides. After checking out those materials and working the calculator a bit, you may have questions or comments or suggestions. Please forward them to me. The Retirement Risk Evaluator was developed with help from hundreds of my fellow community members. Our work has not necessarily come to an end. I’d like to see us make the calculator an even more powerful retirement planning tool.

I also would be grateful if you would do what you can to help us reopen the many boards and blogs that have adopted a Ban on Honest Posting on safe withdrawal rates to sincere and helpful and informed discussions of retirement planning and other important investment-related topics. Each failed retirement is a failure not only for the investor whose retirement goes bust, but also for the entire community of investors who failed to demand better of those claiming expertise in this field. Experts should be able to get the basic retirement planning numbers right. I mean, come on!

We all benefit from being able to engage in honest and informed discussions of investing with each other. We all have a role to play in changing the environment in which investing advice is offered so that our understanding of how stock investing works continues to improve over time.

You can help!

Please get involved!

And —

Good luck with your own retirement planning efforts!

 

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Retirement Planning As If Valuations Mattered

March 3, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted a Guest Blog Entry at the Retire Happy blog. It’s called Retirement Planning As If Valuations Mattered.

Juicy Excerpt: Safe withdrawal rate analyses look to worst-case scenarios. If you want the highest safe withdrawal rate possible when stock valuations are high, you need to go with a very low stock allocation. But you might be able to juice up your return a bit by going with a higher stock allocation so long as you understand that you are taking on more risk by doing so.  How much more risk?

In this scenario, a stock allocation of 20 percent offers a safe withdrawal rate of 3.90 and a stock allocation of 60 percent offers a safe withdrawal rate of 3.43. The safe withdrawal rate is defined as the withdrawal rate that has a 95 percent chance of working out, presuming that stocks perform in the future at least somewhat as they have always performed in the past. Please move your eye from the “Safe Withdrawal Rate” column to the “Reasonably Safe” column for the 60 percent allocation. The withdrawal rate moves up to 3.89 percent, as good as the safe withdrawal rate for the 20 percent stock allocation.

There is a 20 percent chance that a retirement plan using only a “Reasonably Safe” withdrawal will fail. So there’s some added risk here. But, if you are willing to live with that risk, you can feel free to go with the much higher stock allocation and the possibly higher returns that may go with it.

Filed Under: Risk Evaluator Tagged With: retirement planning, risk evaluator

It’s Impossible to Plan a Retirement Without Looking at Valuations

August 5, 2010 by Rob

The Financial Uproar site has posted my Guest Blog Entry entitled It’s Impossible to Plan a Retirement Without Looking at Valuations.

Juicy Excerpt #1: Another guest post by everyone’s crazy PF guy Rob Bennett.

Juicy Excerpt #2: The calculator says that in those circumstances an 80 percent stock allocation provides a safe withdrawal rate of 3.8 percent. Move to a 20 percent stock allocation (80 percent bonds or whatever) and the SWR moves up to 4.7 percent. There’s a penalty for going with a high stock allocation at today’s prices. This will not be so once we move back to fair-value prices. At fair value, moving from 80 percent stocks to 80 percent bonds (or whatever) would LOWER your SWR from 5.3 percent to 5.0 percent.

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ValueWalk.com Article #4 — What If You Don’t Want to Die Broke?

July 21, 2010 by Rob

The www.ValueWalk.com site has posted my article entitled The Retirement Risk Evaluator: Part Three — What If You Don’t Want to Die Broke?

Juicy Excerpt: A demand that 100 percent of the portfolio balance remain at Year 30 reduces the safe withdrawal rate by less than one full percentage point! Insisting that your portfolio retain its value delays your retirement date, as would be expected. But the cost of insisting that a significant percentage of your starting-point portfolio value be retained or even the entire starting-point portfolio value be retained is much less than the cost that is incurred by failing to take valuations into consideration. The conventional retirement planning guidance is failing to provide retirees with valuable information about the tradeoffs that come into play when putting together a retirement plan.

Filed Under: Risk Evaluator Tagged With: retirement calculator, SWRs, The Retirement Risk Evaluator

Value Walk.com Article #3 — The Effect of Valuations on the Safe Withdrawal Rate

July 20, 2010 by Rob

The Value Walk site has posted my article entitled The Retirement Risk Evaluator: Part Two — The Effect of Valuations on the Safe Withdrawal Rate.

Juicy Excerpt: At this valuation level, the safe withdrawal rate drops with increases in the stock allocation, moving from a high of 3.9 at a 20 percent stock allocation to a low of 3.1 at an 80 percent stock allocation. While this result is in accord with the conventional idea that adding stocks to a portfolio increases the risk associated with the portfolio, it does not offer support for the conventional explanation of why this is so. The conventional idea is that stocks are more risky because they provide higher returns (the theory is that investors are being compensated for being willing to take on added risk). The data shows the safe withdrawal rate dropping as the stock allocation goes higher (in cases in which the valuation level is high) because returns being generated are poor! Investors are not rewarded for taking on the added risk that comes with investing heavily in stocks at times of high valuations, according to the Risk Evaluator. They are penalized! We need to begin examining the concept of an Equity Risk Penalty.

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ValueWalk.com Article #2 — Why We Need a New Type of Retirement Calculator

July 16, 2010 by Rob

The www.ValueWalk.com site today published my article entitled The Retirement Risk Evaluator: Part One — Why We Need a New Type of Retirement Calculator.

Juicy Excerpt #1: It is true that the historical record does not today contain a returns sequence in which a retirement plan calling for a 4 percent withdrawal failed within 30 years. However, this reality should offer small comfort to retirees who took withdrawals for retirements beginning at the valuation levels that have applied since 1996. From 1900 forward, there have been only two cases in which we have seen the insane levels of overvaluation that applied from January 1996 through September 2008. In each of those two cases, retirements calling for a 4 percent withdrawal came within a whisker of falling. The fact that 4 percent withdrawals have come close to failing in both of the two cases in which they were attempted for retirements beginning at times of high valuations shows not that this withdrawal rate is safe in these circumstances but that it is risky in these circumstances.

Juicy Excerpt #2: The studies and calculators have not been fixed because fixing them would require a widespread public acknowledgment of the flaws of the popular Buy-and-Hold model for understanding how stock investing works. Buy-and-Hold was developed at a time of widespread confidence in the Efficient Market Theory, which posits that stocks are always priced more or less properly. Yale Professor Robert Shiller’s 1981 research showing that valuations affect long-term return challenges this belief (if stocks were always priced properly, the concept of overvaluation would be meaningless and valuations could not predict long-term returns). From 1981 through today, we have been living through a transition period in which the experts’ confidence in the Buy-and-Hold Model has been greatly diminished but in which most experts have felt too cowed by the continued popularity of Buy-and-Hold to develop alternative models more in accord with our new understanding of the message of the historical data.

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Google Knol #4 — The First Retirement Calculator That Gets the Numbers Right

June 18, 2010 by Rob

I’ve posted my fourth Google Knol. It is called The First Retirement Calculator That Gets the Numbers Right.

Juicy Excerpt: The valuation level that applies on he day the retirement begins is  the single biggest factor bearing on the safety or lack thereof of the retirement plan. The Old School studies,  developed in accord with the premises of the Buy-and-Hold Model, ignore this factor. Thus, the studies get all the numbers wildly wrong. And the retirement calculators based on these studies also get all the numbers wrong. We need a newfangled sort of retirement calculator!

Filed Under: Risk Evaluator Tagged With: retirement calculator, simple retirement calculator

“One of the Neater Concepts [on] the Effect of Relative Stock Valuations Upon a Retiree’s SWR”

June 4, 2009 by Rob

The Political Calculations blog recently posted a review of The Retirement Risk Evaluator.

Juicy Excerpt: One of the neater concepts we’ve been intrigued by that addresses the effect of relative stock valuations upon a retiree’s safe withdrawal rate is a tool developed by Rob Bennett and John Walter Russell…. we see that a retiree’s safe withdrawal rate drops significantly at times when stocks have relatively high valuations, and increases significantly at times when valuations are low.

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“Suggesting that the Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Low Today Just Adds to the Doom and Gloom”

March 5, 2009 by Rob

FrugalDad’s blog entry for yesterday (“Saving for Retirement: What’s Your Number?”) explored the infamous “4 percent rule” from the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies.

Juicy Excerpt: The rule of 4% uses a couple assumptions, some of which are hard to justify in our current market conditions. 

I put forward some comments explaining why I believe that the Old School studies are analytically invalid and why the New School studies are the future of retirement research. I pointed out that The Retirement Risk Evaluator shows that the safe withdrawal rate for retirements beginning at today’s valuations is over 6 percent.

Juicy Excerpt: Suggesting that the number is low today just adds to the doom and gloom, which is the last thing we should be doing today. The reason why we are inclined to overstate the bad news today is that we are reacting to the shock experienced in seeing stocks perform from insane price levels just as we would have expected them to had only the “experts” warned us of the dangers. Emotional extremes beget emotional extremes.

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  • Rob's Daily Caller Articles: (1) Can We Handle the Truth About Stock Investing?; (2) How We Invest Is a Political Question; (3) The Economic Crisis Is Trying to Tell Us Something (and We're Not Listening); (4) Facts Don't Matter; (5) Going Google Stupid; (6) How Much Transparency Can We Handle?; (7) Confessions of an Internet Troll; (8) Conservatives Fall Into a Trap by Blaming Obama for the Bad Economy; (9) Meet the New Media, Same as the Old Media; and (10) How Restoring Honor Will End the Economic Crisis

  • Humble Money Experts Are the Best Money Experts, (Rob's Article in the Integrative Advisor, the Journal of the Association for Integrative Financial and Life Planning)

  • Articles on the Return Predictor, the RIsk Evaluator, the Scenario Surfer and the Strategy Tester

  • The Myth of Buy-and-Hold and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Good Side of Stocks' Lost Decade and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • A Better and Safer Way to Invest in Stocks and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Economic Crisis Is the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Us and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Bankers Did Not Do This to Us! and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • Stock Volatility Kills! and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Risks of Buy-and-Hold and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Future of Investing and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • What the Stock Investing Experts Don't Want You to Know and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • What's the Best Age at Which to Experience a Stock Crash? and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • Guest Blog Entry Compares Our Effort to Open the Internet to Honest Posting on Stock Investing with the Civil Rights Struggle of the Early 1960s

  • Our Monster Thread (153 Comments!) on Whether Bill Bengen Should Correct His Retirement Study Now That He Acknowledges the Errors He Made In It

  • Google Search Results for the Term "Valuation-Informed Indexing"
  • Favorite RobCasts

    • Bogle and Valuations

    • When Stock Losses Are True Losses and When They Are Not

    • There Is No Free Lunch! Or Is There?

    • Risk Tolerance in the Real World

    • Cash Is a Strategic Asset Class

    • Nine Valuation-Informed-Indexing Portfolio Allocation Strategies

    • Why the Stock Market Does Not Set Prices Properly (Even Though Other Markets Do)

    • Only Valuations Matter -- Everything Else Is Priced In

    • Low Stock Prices Are Better Than High Stock Prices

    • 30 Investment Myths in 60 Minutes

    Links That Matter

    • Ten Bogus Investing Truths

    • Study by Associate Professor Wade Pfau Showing That Long-Term Timing Provides Higher Returns at Reduced Risk

    • Study by Associate Professor Wade Pfau Showing That Valuation-Informed Indexing Beat Buy-and-Hold in 102 of 110 Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods in the Historical Record

    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That the Idea That Long-Term Market Timing Does Not Work Is a "Myth" of Stock Investing "That Will Not Die" Because "This Hoary Old Chestnut Keeps Clients Fully Invested" Even When It Is Contrary to Their Best Interests

    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That" "This Ratio (P/E10) Has Been a Powerful Predictor of Long-Term Returns" and That "Valuation Is By Far the Most Important Issue for Investors"

    • The Internet Blowhard's Favorite Phrase: Why Do People Love to Say That Correlation Does Not Imply Causation?

    • Michael Kitces (One of the Bravest of the Good Guys in This Field) Asks: "Who's Really at Risk When Avoiding Overvalued Stocks?"

    • Financial Mentor Article Reporting on How Our Knowledge of How to Calculate Safe Withdrawal Rates Has Grown During the First Nine Years of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate

    • Does the Trend Matter?

    • Improving RIsk-Adjusted Returns Using Market-Valuation-Based Tactical Asset Allocation Strategies

    • A Value Restoration Project Blog Post That Sums Up in Three Paragraphs All You Need to Know to Become a Highly Effective Investor

    • Year 20 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

    • Year 10 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

    • Valuation-Informed Indexing Always Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over 10-Year Periods

    • The Valuation-Informed Indexing Advantage

    • What P/E10 Predicted vs. What Actually Happened

    • Normal and Valuation-Adjusted Wealth Accumulation

    • Valuation-Informed Indexers Can Retire Five Years Sooner

    • Following Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Reduces Stock Investing Risk by 80 Percent

    • S&P 500 Tracked by P/E10 Level

    • Treasury Inflation-Protected Income Securities (TIPS) Table

    • Best, Average and Worst Returns Since 1871

    • Compound Annual Growth Rate Calculator

    • Investing Through Time

    • Mapping S&P 500 Performance

    • S&P 500 at Your Fingertips

    • S&P 500 Return Calculator

    • Russell's Research

    • Shiller's Data

    • Safe Withdrawal Rate Research Group

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