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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“There’s Another Story Here — The Story of Why This [The Errors in the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies] Is Only Coming Out Now”

May 16, 2013 by Rob

The Wall Street Journal on March 1 published an article titled Say Goodbye to the 4% Rule for Retirement.

Juicy Excerpt: Conventional wisdom says you can take 4% from your savings the first year of retirement, and then that amount plus more to account for inflation each year, without running out of money for at least three decades….In recent years, the 4% rule has been thrown into doubt.

Set forth below is the text of an e-mail that I sent to Kelly Greene, the author of the article. The subject box for the e-mail reads: “It’s More Than Just the SWR Studies That Need to Be Corrected.”

Kelly:

My name is Rob Bennett. My bio is here.

Congratulations on your article “Say Goodbye to the 4% Rule for Retirement.” This is important stuff.

There’s another story here — the story of why this is only coming out now (I have been writing about the errors in the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies going back to May 2002). The problem with the old studies is that they do not adjust the safe withdrawal rate for valuations. That same error is made in all other areas of investing analysis.

The error carries over from the days when there was a widespread belief in the Efficient Market Theory (EMT). If the EMT were legitimate, the Old School SWR studies would work. Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller discredited the EMT with his 1981 research showing that valuations affect long-term returns. If valuations matter (there is now 32 years of peer-reviewed academic research confirming Shiller’s 1981 finding), it is not possible to make ANY investment decision without taking the valuation level that applies at the time the choice is being made into account.

For example, a regression analysis of the historical return data shows that the most likely 10-year annualized return in 1982 was 15 percent real. In 2000, the number was a negative 1 percent real. There is no one stock allocation that makes sense in both sets of circumstances. Those who follow Buy-and-Hold strategies (strategies in which the investor keeps his stock allocation stable at all times) are thereby permitting their risk profile to get wildly out of whack. Investors must CHANGE their stock allocations in response to big shifts in valuations to have any realistic hope of long-term investing success.

I have a calculator at my web site (“The Retirement Risk Evaluator”) that identifies the SWR that applies at all possible P/E10 levels.

I also have a calculator (“The Stock-Return Predictor”) that performs the regression analysis needed to identify the most likely annualized 10-year return starting from any possible P/E10 level.

I have done research with Wade Pfau showing that investors who take valuations into consideration when setting their stock allocations thereby reduce the risk of stock investing by 70 percent (Please see the graphic on Page 11 which shows that the Maximum Portfolio Drawdown drops from 60 percent to 20 percent for investors who take valuations into consideration). The reason why we have as a society not yet moved away from promotion of Buy-and-Hold strategies is not that the research-supported case is not strong. It is that this change is so big that it is hard for those who are schooled in the conventional thinking to accept the far-reaching (and very exciting) implications of the change.

Please let me know if you have questions.

I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors.

Rob

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: investing research, Stock Valuations, SWRs

Guru: “Well, in 1995 We Thought 7 Percent Would Work Under All Conditions. But That Was Then, This Is Now.”

March 6, 2013 by Rob

A poster named “Nisiprius” recently advanced the following wonderful post to the Bogleheads Forum:

1995:

Sucker looking for certainty where there is no certainty: So, how much can I safely withdraw?

Guru: Well, right now things look great. This year you could certainly–

Sucker: No, no, no. Tell me more than “this year.” I want to plan ahead. I want to know a nice, safe rate, with a good safety margin built on. One that will be sustainable into the future under varying market conditions.

Guru: OK, here’s a Worth magazine article by Peter Lynch who had a colleague run numbers, and he says a portfolio of 100% stocks–preferably individual selections from among Moody’s Dividend Achievers but an S&P 500 index fund will do–has safely sustained 7% withdrawals under all market conditions that have ever occurred.

1998:

Sucker: So, 7%, right?

Guru: Oh, no, no, no. Things do not look so good any more. This study by three Trinity University professors says that the sustainable withdrawal rate is only 4%.

Sucker: But, but, but… I specifically asked for a number that would work under all future market conditions.

Guru: Well, in 1995 we thought 7% would work under all market conditions. But, that was then, this is now.

Sucker: So 4% is the right number? A good planning number? One that doesn’t make any false optimistic assumptions but allows for the full range of things that typically occur? A number that will work even if the markets runs its normal cycles of good and bad times?

Guru: Yes. Some experts think a bit more, but, yes, 4% is a good number.

Sucker: So, this is not some false-optimism 7%. This has the safety margin built in, right? This has the allowance for normal wear and tear. This is a number good for the next three decades, right?

Guru: That is what every expert and every sophisticated computer analysis is telling us. Yes.

2013:

Sucker: So, I can withdraw 4%, eh?

Guru: Oh, no, no, no. It seems things are not turning out as well as we expected. Gordon equation… interest rates… Try 3%….

Precisely so. How much do you want to bet that, following the next crash, our friends among the Wall Street Con Men will be telling us that the new word is that no withdrawal rate above 2 percent could ever possibly be safe and that we all better get about the business of lowering our stock allocations dramatically if we know what is good for us?

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: Bogleheads Forum, SWRs

“We Are Talking About Research, Which Is Science, Not Opinion. But We Have Different OPINIONS About What the Research Shows.”

February 7, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:

it’s an opinion, not the law of gravity

Then why the death threats?

Why the defamation?

Why the board bannings?

Why the threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs?

The full truth here is that the idea of the Buy-and-Holders to root their investment strategies in academic research took investment advice beyond the level of just opinion. Research-based strategies are NOT pure opinion. There is science behind them.

But you are right that it is a matter of OPINION as to whether the market is efficient or not. I do not believe it is. I can point to 30 years of academic research supporting my opinion on this question. So I view my take as something more than a subjective opinion. But it is also true that there are millions of people who believe that the market is efficient. There really was academic research that seemed to show that. And many good and smart people still have confidence in that research.

So is it opinion or not?

Ultimately, we are talking about something that goes beyond mere opinion. Science has more power to persuade than does the mere expression of subjective opinion. That’s why the stakes here are so high.

But, yes, I do think it would be fair to say that it is a matter of OPINION today whether the pre-1981 research has been entirely discredited (MY opinion) or whether the pre-1981 research still holds (YOUR opinion).

We are talking about research, which is science, not opinion. But we have different OPINIONS about what the research shows. That’s the full reality.

I’ve never tried to intimidate you into pretending that you share my opinion, Dab. But on a daily basis you try to intimidate me into pretending that I share yours. You are very wrong to do that. It is the things that you have done to try to intimidate me and others that will put you in jail following the next crash, not your opinion, which by itself is of course fine.

It is the Buy-and-Holders who need to accept that, while there is indeed science present here, it is a new science that we are dealing with and not every element of the story has yet been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. So we all need to be open to hearing the other guy’s opinion.

If Greaney changes his study to say that it is his OPINION that the SWR is 4 percent, I have no objection. I believe that that is indeed his opinion.

If he insists that I pretend that I share that opinion, I have a very big objection. It would be a lie for me to say that I share that opinion. I do not. I think that opinion is dangerous. I think that opinion is likely to cause great harm to millions of people.

How do you propose that we proceed, given these realities?

Rob

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: investment research, SWRs

The No-Data Retirement Study Meme

January 31, 2013 by Rob

You probably know about internet memes — like these.

We’re going to have a new one after the next crash — The  No-Data Retirement Study Meme.

Juicy Excerpts: 

1) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

It is what it is!

2) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

It’s only a rule of thumb!

3) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

You are banned from further participation at this discussion board!

4) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

I know John Bogle!

5) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

It is VERY popular among people who haven’t saved enough to be able to retire but hate their jobs!

6) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

Shut up or I’ll kill your wife and children!

7) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

No one will ever know about your web site if the sites pushing Buy-and-Hold don’t link to it!

8) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

No one has a crystal ball. No one can say for sure.

9) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

I say on the internet that I’ve made lots of money using Buy-and-Hold strategies!

10) The claims in my retirement study are not supported by the data but —

It’s all ones and zeroes anyway!

 

 

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: investment humor, retirement planning, SWRs

Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #4 — The Safe Withdrawal Rate Concept Is Here to Stay

July 22, 2012 by Rob

I am the person who discovered the error in the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies. The error is that the studies do not contain an adjustment for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins. Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller published research in 1981 showing that valuations affect long-term returns. The error in the Old School SWR studies is likely to cause millions of failed retirements in days to come, in the event that stocks perform in the future anything at all as they have always performed in the past. I went public with what I knew in a post to a Motley Fool discussion board on the morning of May 13, 2002.

For most of the next ten years, the “experts” in this field either denied that the studies were in error or ignored the problem. Since the 2008 price crash, it has become increasingly clear that we are going to see millions of failed retirements and that lawsuits in the hundreds of billions of dollars (collectively) are going to be brought against those responsible for the ten-year cover-up. So we have seen numerous articles in big-name publications in recent months acknowledging that it is not possible to calculate the SWR accurately without taking valuations into consideration.

But we have not yet seen a single one of the Old School studies corrected. The new company line is that the studies are obviously in error but that there is no need to correct them.

I take strong exception to the continued cover-up for five reasons.

One, there are still people finding these studies as the results of internet searches. The searches those people run may not pull up the articles reporting on the errors in the retirement studies. By failing to correct the studies, we are causing additional failed retirements.

Two, many of the people who placed their trust in the “experts” who encouraged them to make use of the long-discredited retirement studies could still save their retirements if we told them how they must change their stock allocations to do so. Corrections of the studies would need to be accompanied by suggestions re what to do now. Those suggestions might spare hundreds of thousands of middle-class retirees from suffering one of the worst life setbacks imaginable.

Three, corrections would clarify the cause of this national catastrophe. Many of the articles acknowledging the errors have employed mumbo-jumbo language that fails to identify the key problem — that Shiller’s research showed that the Buy-and-Hold Model for understanding how stock investing works is flawed right down to its core and needs to be junked and replaced by the Valuation-Informed Indexing Model (Valuation-Informed Indexing is Buy-and-Hold corrected for the errors discovered by Shiller).

Four, investors’ discovery of the ten-year cover-up of the errors in the retirement studies is likely going to cause a political explosion. The sooner those responsible for the cover-up come clean, the better we will be able as a nation to manage and survive the crisis.

Five, acknowledgment of the error presents the opportunity for an amazing learning experience. I was a Buy-and-Holder on the morning of May 13, 2002, when I put forward the post reporting on the error in the studies. I abandoned my belief in Buy-and-Hold on the evening of August 27, 2002, when John Greaney, the author of one of the discredited studies, threatened to kill my wife and children if I continued to press for corrections in the retirement studies and over 100 Buy-and-Holders cheered him on. My reaction to that experience was that Buy-and-Hold must be a fatally flawed strategy to generate such strongly negative emotional reactions in such a high percentage of the investors who follow it. It was because of my abandonment of Buy-and-Hold that I was able to develop the scores of powerful investing insights I have reported on in the ten years since. All of the experts in this field and all investors can share in these insights once we stop doing battle over the absurd question of whether retirements studies that get the numbers wildly wrong should be corrected or not and instead direct our energies to learning what our experience with this situation teaches us about the dangers that follow from heavy promotion of Get Rich Quick investing strategies.

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau came close to being a hero re this issue. I had been trying for close to ten years to persuade the experts in the investing field to press for corrections. Wade was the first person to take me up on the idea. He sent an e-mail to the three authors of the Trinity study, a much cited Old School SWR study. The Greaney Goons, a group of highly abusive internet posters who have worked for 10 years to keep investors from learning of the errors in the retirement studies, threatened to send defamatory e-mails to Wade’s employer with the aim of getting him fired from his job for the “crime” of acting with honesty re this matter. Wade has had much experience both with the Goons and with experts in the investing field who advocate Buy-and-Hold strategies and who have tolerated and even encouraged the Goons on numerous occasions. Fearing for damage that might be done to his career as a result of his honesty on the SWR matter, Wade adopted the Goon-approved position that the studies are indeed in error but that there is no need for them to be corrected.

Several years ago I developed a calculator (“The Retirement Risk Evaluator”) that uses an analytically valid approach to identifying the safe withdrawal rate. In earlier days, Wade offered numerous positive comments about the methodology used to develop the calculator. But his current public position is that there is no need to know the safe withdrawal rate or perhaps no possible way to know it. Wade and other experts seeking to hide from millions of middle-class investors the irresponsibility of the 10-year effort to cover up the error in the Old School studies are suggesting that the SWR concept be abandoned.

This is a terrible mistake.

Wade has done research on “safe savings rates.” He promotes this concept as an alternative to the safe withdrawal rate concept. It is not that. It is a supplement to the safe withdrawal rate concept. The safe savings rate concept certainly has value. Wade certainly should be encouraged to continue his research along these lines and applauded for the many insights he has developed with his work in this area. But there is no justification for abandoning the safe withdrawal rate concept. The SWR concept does something different from what is done with the safe savings rate concept. Those seeking to plan retirements effectively need to make use of both concepts.

Identifying the safe withdrawal rate answers a unique question — What inflation-adjusted percentage of my retirement-date portfolio amount may I take out to cover living expenses each year with virtual certainty that I will have enough assets for my retirement to last 30 years? Many aspiring retirees need to know the answer to that question. There is no way to answer it other than through use of a valid SWR methodology.

Wade’s safe savings rate tells investors how much they need to save each year to achieve a well-financed retirement plan many years later. People need to know that. But people also need to know the safe withdrawal rate that applies for their retirement plan.

Another idea that has become more popular since the error in the SWR studies was widely acknowledged is the idea of retirees setting up multiple pools of savings, with one pool being used to cover essential spending and being invested in safe asset classes and with another being used to cover luxury spending and being invested in risky asset classes. This is another excellent concept that should be explored in depth. But this concept also is not a replacement of the SWR concept. A retiree who employs the multiple-pools-of-saving concept still needs to know what the remaining value of the pool invested in risky asset classes will be in a worst-case return scenario. Few retirees want to live the rest of their lives with zero ability to spend on luxuries. It is the SWR concept that aims to answer this question.

There was never anything wrong with the SWR concept. The concept was a big advance at the time the Old School studies were developed. The mistake was the failure to include a valuations adjustment in the calculations. Shiller’s “revolutionary” (his word) research shows that it is impossible to analyze any investing question effectively without taking into consideration the effect of valuations. The argument that we no longer need to know the SWR takes us backwards rather than forwards. It’s not SWRs we need to avoid, it’s improperly calculated SWRs we need to avoid.

It was my effort to learn how to calculate the SWR properly that led to the investigations through which I developed the Valuation-Informe Indexing model for understanding how stock investing works. Most investors have little idea how big an influence the valuations level that applies on the day they buy stocks has on their long-term return. Comparing the SWR that applies for a retirement that begins at a time of low valuations (1982) with the SWR that applies at a time of high valuations (2000) illustrates the importance of taking valuations into consideration in every investing decision. The SWR for a high-stock portfolio in 1982 was 9 percent. The SWR for a high-stock portfolio in 2000 was 1.6 percent. This means that an retiree with a $1 million portfolio could with complete safety take out $90,000 every year of his remaining life if he retired in 1982 but only $16,000 if he retired in 2000.

That’s a shocking difference!

But it shouldn’t be!

To those who understand the implications of Shiller’s research, the difference in SWRs makes perfect sense. Stocks were priced at one-half their fair-value price in 1982 and at three times their fair-value price in 2000. The SWR should be six times larger in 1982, if Shiller is right that valuations affect long-term returns. Round down the number 1.6 to 1.5 to make the math easy and then multiply by six and you get 9 percent. The SWR changes in response to valuation shifts in precisely the way we would expect if we were analyzing how stock investing works with logic and not with the out-of-control Get Rich Quick emotions that make Buy-and-Hold strategies so appealing to so many.

Those who retire at a time when stocks are priced as they were in 2000 need to know that they need to accumulate a portfolio of six times the size of the portfolio they would need to accumulate for a retirement beginning in 1982 to have the equivalent in income-producing assets financing their retirements. Properly calculated, the SWR illustrates the essential point in a compelling way. We should not be denying investors the SWR concept to keep the long-discredited Buy-and-Hold concept alive another week, another month, another year. We should be reporting the SWR accurately and honestly and using the differences that apply in times of low valuations and high valuations to teach investors that they should not take the numbers on their portfolio statements even a little bit seriously when those numbers are the product of the mass promotion of Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold investing strategies. It is not the SWR concept that should be abandoned but the profoundly dangerous Buy-and-Hold “idea” that there is no need for investors to practice price discipline when buying stocks.

Perhaps the internationally renowned portfolio strategists Danny and the Juniors put it best when they argued in an influential 1958 paper that:

I don’t care what any experts say —

The Safe Withdrawal Rate is here to stay!

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: Rob Bennett, SWRs, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “The Reason I Contacted Them [the Authors of the Trinity Study, an Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Study) Was To List Some Concern I Had (Valuations, Fees, 30-Year Time-Period) About Whether the Results of Their Study Are Applicable for Recent Retirees. I DIdn’t Think the Trinity Study Is Helpful for Recent Retirees. Now, I Think Even More Strongly Than Before That the Trinity Study Is Not Helpful.”

July 8, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on April 7, 2012. I sent a follow-up e-mail one hour later. The text is set forth below.

Wade:

I thought of a way to reduce the long response I sent a few minutes ago to something much shorter. So I thought I would pass that along. Then I promise to shut up.

You sent an e-mail to the Trinity authors asking them to correct their study.

Why?

Rob

Wade responded the same day. He said: “‘I’m glad to see you’ve pulled back your troops as it seemed you’ve been trying to start a war with me when we really have nothing to be fighting about.”

The e-mail continued: I” don’t have any problem with what you wrote in your last message, except that I have a slightly different view about the issue of correcting old studies. The way I think that is best done is to provide new research to replace the old research. On the issue of old school SWR studies, that is what I tried to do with my August 2011 Journal of Financial Planning article. Now it is just a matter of getting the word out about it, and the results from that article have been featured in the Wall Street Journal and SmartMoney. In June I’ve been invited to speak to a group of high level people from a bunch of different finance companies about this same topic. I’m doing what I can.”

Wade explained: “You asked about why I contacted the Trinity authors. I’m not sure why you even feel a need to ask. It seems like you’ve decided in your mind that I’m a Goon when I’ve not changed my outlook on this or any other relevant issue. The reason I contacted them was to list some concerns I had (valuations, fees, 30 year time period, etc) about whether the results of their study are applicable for recent retirees. I didn’t think the Trinity study is helpful for recent retirees. Now, I think even more strongly than before that the Trinity study is not helpful.

He concluded: “This is why I’m so confused about your attitude toward me since the Bill Bengen incident.”

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: Rob Bennett, SWRs, Trinity study, Wade Pfau, Wall Street corruption

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “I Do Not Think He [Harold Evensky] Goes Nearly Far Enough in Warning People of the Dangers of the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies”

July 4, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on January 1, 2012. I sent a follow-up e-mail later the same day. The text is set forth below.

Wade:

I’ve now had a chance to look at the paper.

I am certainly glad to see his positive comments re your work. He is advancing the ball by pointing people to a new way of thinking about retirement planning.

I do not think he goes nearly far enough in warning people of the dangers of the Old School SWR studies. My view is that many just do not seem to get it yet that VII and Buy-and-Hold are OPPOSITE models. People are trying to work out the differences between them. Buy-and-Hold and VII are a fork in the road. You take one path or the other. The two choices take you to very different places.

My sense is that people who have gained “expertise” (I put the word in quote marks because there can be no true expertise in this field until our understanding of how stock investing works advances to something less primitive than what it is today) under the old model find it painful to acknowledge that most of what they have learned and taught was discredited by Shiller’s findings.

I wish that people could respond to the things we have learned in more positive ways. It’s not even a little bit true that the time spent learning about the Buy-and-Hold stuff was wasted. There were important insights mined in those days and people who understand them well have a head start in learning about the new model. Also, those who get involved in developing the new model obviously will be miles ahead of those who jump aboard the train years later. Many people see
only threats to their status. I see huge (and I do mean huge) opportunities.

That’s my take, for good or for ill. I greatly appreciate you thinking of me. As I noted in an earlier e-mail, it makes me feel less lonely in my never-ending struggle when someone like you does that. It means a lot to me.

Please take care.

Rob

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: Harold Evensky, SWRs, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “Naturally, I Am Finding that Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Savings Rate, Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate, and Also Have a Lower ‘Safe” Savings Rate, Than a Fixed Allocation”

June 28, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 2, 2011. Wade responded the next day.

He thanked me for my encouraging words and said: “The idea about PE10 going up being different than P/E10 going down does make sense.”

Wade told me about a book titled “How to Profit From Formula Plans in the Stock Market,” which was published in 1961.  He said that he downloaded it at a time when a free download was available but that there was no longer such a download available. He said that it talks about a “halfway rule,” which takes advantage of this concept.

The e-mai stated: “I had a productive evening.  Bengen’s discussion about changing asset allocation being the next step got me moving to combine my safe savings rates program with my valuation-based asset allocation program.  (do you remember in February when DRiP Guy complained about using a fixed allocation in my safe savings rate paper?  That is what I fixed now)  Naturally, I am finding that VII can allow you to reach a wealth target with a lower savings rate, use a higher withdrawal rate, and also have a lower “safe” savings rate, than a fixed allocation. The only exception occurs a little bit with the 1990s stock market boom, as you saw earlier with my blog entries about the rolling periods.  I’m attaching 3 figures I made about this tonight. This here is probably enough to write an article for Journal of Financial Planning.  I’m thinking about this now.

The three figures referred to by Pfau appear below:

Wade Pfau -- Valuation-Informed Retirement Planning, Figure One

Wade Pfau, Valuation-Informed Retirement Planning -- Figure Two

 

Wade Pfau, Valuation-Informed Retirement Planning -- Figure Three

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: retirement planning, SWRs, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “This Issue Shouldn’t Really Even Be All That Controversial. It’s Just Common Sense That the Probabilities From the Trinity Study Shouldn’t Be Interpreted As Forward-Looking Probabilities for New Retirees.”

June 19, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 17, 2011. Wade responded the next day.

He said: “It seems that the goons let the post by without too much complaint. Actually, this issue shouldn’t really even be all that controversial. It’s just common sense that the probabilities from the Trinity study shouldn’t be interpreted as forward-looking probabilities for new retirees.” My response, sent the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

I mean no personal criticism in saying this. You are in very good company. But you are missing the most important element of the story.

All overvaluation is the product of investor self-deception.

For stocks to be overvalued is for them to be mispriced. It is the market (investors) that sets the price. It can never be to our advantage to misprice stocks. So why do we do it?

When we misprice stocks, we are PRETENDING that our retirement accounts are worth more than they are.

OF COURSE it is common sense that the probabilities from the Trinity study shouldn’t be interpreted as forward-looking probabilities for new retirees. Nothing could be more obvious. A six-year old child could see this.

So why don’t these highly educated, highly paid experts see it? Why have people been citing The 4 Percent Rule for years now?

Because it doesn’t PAY to see it. There’s more money to be made in pretending that we do not see the self-deception taking place. If we can fool people (and ourselves!) into thinking we don’t see it we escape the obligation of pointing it out.

The experts are every bit as much capable of self-deception as the investors are, Wade. So the experts have elected to pretend that it doesn’t matter whether the numbers we all use to plan our retirements add up or not. The term in the psychological literature for this phenomenon is “cognitive dissonance.”

When we overcome the cognitive dissonance, we all become able to MAKE USE of the wonderful research you and many others have done. Until that step is taken, discussions like those you engage in at the Bogleheads Forum go around and
around in circles. Nothing can be brought to a constructive resolution until there is a DESIRE to get the right answers. As of this moment the desire of most is to keep the cognitive dissonance going (because most have participated in it and suffer from it).

The job is to CHANGE that. The job is to get things to a place where we can all openly ACKNOWLEDGE that the probabilities from the Trinity study shouldn’t be interpreted as forward-looking probabilities for new retirees. We have known the realities in an intellectual sense for 30 years. We need to move to a place where they can be spoken out loud and the millions of middle-class investors who don’t have time to check these things out for themselves can properly depend on the community of experts to report the realities accurately and honestly and realistically.

This is the point I am making when I say that we need to permit honest posting on safe withdrawal rates and on many other important investment-related topics at every board and blog on the internet. That’s the entire ball of wax. There is not one investor alive who does not want to know how to invest effectively. Once we gain recognition of our right to post honestly, the whole thing  goes viral and we can bury Buy-and-Hold 30 feet in the ground where it can do no further harm to humans and other living things.

That’s when those fine studies of yours end up on the front page of the New York Times, where they belong!

And that’s when all the Buy-and-Holders receive the credit they merit for laying the foundation for the first data-based investing strategy that works in the real world!

The Goons didn’t do anything because the Goons grow weaker with each passing day. The problem with Get Rich Quick strategies is that they cause great human misery. As the misery of the Buy-and-Hold “strategy” spreads, the Goons run out of supporters. They don’t have arguments. So, when they run out of supporters, they are lost.

All of this has gone on in every earlier Bull/Bear cycle. What makes this  one different is that this is the first time that Post Archives are being kept of each word that is said and this is the first time that we are all able to watch it all play out before our eyes on our computer screens in real time.

Yes, it’s scary.

But it’s also exciting as heck to think what we will be able to do once we do gain recognition of that right to post honestly. You need to run the numbers, Wade. They won’t be calling it “the Dismal Science” after we gain the ability to report the numbers accurately. Instead of putting it to use to destroy millions of lives, we will be putting economics to use to ENHANCE millions of lives.

I have a funny hunch that it is to be involved in that sort of project that you got into this field in the first place. You just didn’t know it was going to be so contentious. Neither did I. Neither did any of the hundreds of others who have worked up the courage to speak up. We are all on the same side and we are all facing the same obstacles and we all are feeling the same hopes that the future will be a whole big bunch better than the recent past.

The words you put to your blog are top-notch stuff. They are extremely helpful. You have put forward tons of top-notch stuff that is extremely helpful. Please just keep at it. If you do, over time more and more of this will become clear to you. I took a sneak peak at the last page of the story before I dared to put up that May 13, 2002, post. I think it would be okay to let you know that the good guys win in the end.

The bad guys win too, actually. It’s just that in their case they have to be forced to accept the win over their kicking and screaming.

Humans!

Rob

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: SWRs, Trinity study, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “The Safe Saving Rate Concept Can Effectively Compliment the Safe Withdrawal Rate Concept, But It Cannot Replace It. What Do You Do When Someone Notices That on Paper He Has Enough to Retire But in Reality He Is Nowhere Close (Because His Portfolio Is Temporarily Priced at Three Times Fair Value)?”

June 16, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that Academic Researcher Wade Pfau sent to me on May 2, 2011. My response, sent the same day, is set forth below.

Wade:

Thanks much for the link. It’s no problem not to mention the article for a little bit of time. That’s trivial.

The Safe Saving Rate concept can effectively COMPLIMENT the safe withdrawal rate concept, but it cannot replace it. What do you do when someone who has never followed the Safe Saving Rate concept notices that on paper he has enough to retire but in reality he is nowhere close (because his portfolio is temporarily priced at three times fair value)? The properly calculated SWR tells the fellow what he needs to know. There’s got to be some tool we can use to warn people that, if they use unadjusted portfolio values to plan retirements, they will get killed. The natural choice is the safe withdrawal rate concept since the thing they are trying to figure out is whether a particular withdrawal rate is safe or not.

That said, there is separate value in the Safe Saving Rate concept. The SSR concept is giving people the long-view picture: How much do you need to save so that you will have a portfolio of sufficient size at the time you want to retire? The SSR concept is incorporating the temporary ups of overvaluation and the temporary downs of undervaluation into a single long-view number. Knowing that number certainly has value for planning purposes. But we still need to be able to tell people at the point of retirement whether they have saved enough or not. So we still need to be able to gain the ability to report the SWR accurately. And we certainly need to warn the millions who followed the discredited Old School studies and who are today likely in the process of seeing their retirements fail.

Kevin at the Out of Your Rut blog did a great job of addressing the underlying issue in clear terms in a comment that he put to my “Investing: The New Rules” column this morning:

Kevin: “A good friend of mine says that each of us has a certain “worldview”–a set of beliefs that makes the world go round, at least in our minds. When something happens or is said that disturbs that equilibrium, we lash out against it, desperate to establish that it isn’t true.”

That’s the real story, Wade. That’s the issue that everyone of us involved in some way in teaching people effective stock investing strategies in the year 2011 needs to be dealing with. Once we begin talking openly about the emotional pain that
the Buy-and-Holders are feeling, we can get over the hurdle that has been holding back progress for 30 years now. There is not one person alive who does not deep in his or her heart want to see that happen. We all just need to summon up the
courage and grace and love and honesty and community spirit needed to make it happen.

Please just keep fighting the good fight. My sense is that the work you are  doing is 20 times more important than you are able to realize today. Once we get to the other side of the Big Black Mountain, things just get better and better and better and better. It’s all downhill sledding once we collectively figure out how to say the words “I” and “Was” and “Wrong.” And we are getting closer to that wonderful turn in the history of our knowledge of how stock investing works all the time.

Rob

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: Wade Pfau

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