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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“The Buy-and-Holders Not Only Do Not Encourage Long-Term Market Timing, They Discourage it — In Fact, They Engage in Criminal Acts to Block Millions of Investors From Learning How Important It Is to Exercise Price Discipline When Buying Stocks.”

July 24, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

you wrote a long posting about how someone should ask shiller a question. well, gee, why don’t you just ask him? what’s stopping you?

I have written to Shiller.

There was one occasion when John Walter Russell and I were working on a calculator and John sent him an e-mail asking about him about how he developed his data-set. Shiller responded to that. There was at least one other occasion (I think there might have been two) in which I sent an e-mail to Shiller letting him know about the problems that I have experienced with you Goons. He did not respond to those.

That’s the problem. That’s why we are in the mess that we are in today. Shiller’s discovery that valuations affect long-term returns (that there is precisely zero chance that a Buy-and-Hold strategy could ever work for even a single long-term investor) was not the first breakthrough in the history of scientific investigations. But it is the only one that I know of that has been largely ignored for 38 years. In ordinary circumstances, you would expect that everyone on the planet would be rushing to ask Shiller questions about the implications of his findings. Every last one of us needs to know how stock investing works. But in this case it’s not only that not everyone is asking Shiller questions. Shiller actually goes out of his way to avoid discussing the implications of his research. There is not one word of practical how-to advice in his book. Huh? What the f?

Shiller leaves out the how-to stuff because that is the stuff that enrages the Buy-and-Holders. We should have enjoyed a national debate on this stuff shortly after he published his “revolutionary” (his word) research findings, in 1981. We didn’t see that. I think that what happened is that as a society we experienced cognitive dissonance. The change in going from an understanding that the market is efficient (that market timing does not work) to an understanding that valuations affect long-term returns (that long-term market timing is REQUIRED for those seeking to keep their risk profile roughly constant over time) was so big that we just couldn’t let it in. So we entered this strange Twilight Zone world where for the first time in history we knew intellectually how stock investing works but in which we did not permit ourselves to talk about what we knew so that for practical purposes most of us continued doing the OPPOSITE of what works (the Buy-and-Holders not only do not encourage long-term market timing, they discourage it — in fact, they engage in criminal acts to block millions of investors from learning how important it is to exercise price discipline when buying stocks).

As the length of the cover-up has grown, the Buy-and-Holders have become more and more nuts about making sure that it remains in place. Now we are in a situation where it is likely that a good number of Buy-and-Holders will be going to prison when the national debate is launched. People who are at risk of going to prison are highly motivated to block discussions of the peer-reviewed research. As you know.

Shiller would of course be 100 percent happy to share everything he knows and thinks about the far-reaching implications of his research. He published the research to help people. And he needs to answer people’s questions about it to help people to the fullest extent possible. But he needs to know that the discussions that follow will be conducted pursuant to the laws of the United States. He needs to know that there are not going to be any death threats or any demands for unjustified board bannings or any acts of defamation or any threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs. He needs to know that as a society we have buried all this intimidation stuff ten-thousand miles in the bottom of the ocean. For obvious reasons. Anyone who has seen any of what has gone on at our boards and blogs over the past 17 years will have no difficulty understanding where Shiller is coming from re that one.

When we see an article on the front page of the New York Times talking about all of the financial fraud stuff that has been stopping the national debate from taking place for 17 years now, Shiller will feel comfortable speaking out on hundreds of critically important issues. When we see prison sentences announced for you Goons, Shiller will feel comfortable speaking out. When I receive my $500 million settlement check, Shiller will feel comfortable speaking out. When Wade Pfau is awarded a Nobel prize for the peer-reviewed research that he co-authored with me showing that “Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing works!”, Shiller will feel comfortable speaking out.

We need to speak out as a society letting all interested parties know that the coast is clear to launch the national debate. We want to have it. We know that we need to have it. We wouldn’t have reviewed Shiller’s book in all of the top publications if we didn’t want to have it. We wouldn’t have awarded Shiller a Nobel prize if we didn’t want to have it. We wouldn’t have seen thousands of our fellow community members express a desire that honest posting on the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research in this field be permitted at every discussion board and blog on the internet if we didn’t want to have it.

We want to have that national debate and we don’t want to have it at the same time. We want to have it because it would teach us so many important things about how stock investing works. And we don’t want to have it because we understand on some level of consciousness that we are going to learn when we have it that our portfolios are not worth what we were led to believe they were worth during the Buy-and-Hold Era. Our intellects tell us that we need to have the debate. Our Get Rich Quick urges tell us that having the debate would ruin everything. As of this moment in time, our Get Rich Quick urges are remaining dominant.

The question is whether that will continue to be the case after the next price crash. Once our portfolios are priced at their real value or at something less than that, what the heck good does Buy-and-Hold do anyone? At that point, we will be able to see with our own eyes that Buy-and-Hold doesn’t work. So why would we not be willing to have that national debate over the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research in this field? I believe that the debate will go forward at that time.

Shiller will be answering questions. And thousands of other good and smart people who have been intimidated out of coming forward during the Buy-and-Hold Era will be answering questions. It will be a blast. I wish that this had all gone forward on the afternoon of May 13, 2002. That was my vote. My vote doesn’t always win the day. Perhaps you’ve noticed.

Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“It Is My Belief that the Story Did Not Get Out when Shiller Published his Research Because the Buy-and-Holders were Suffering from Cognitive Dissonance. Now they Cannot Stand the Thought of Word Getting Out Because They Feel that it Will Look Bad that There has been a Cover-Up Going on for so Many Years. But, If the Story is Going to Get Out Sooner or Later in any Event, the Buy-and-Holders and Everyone Else are Better Off if it Gets Out as Quickly as Possible.”

June 11, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“When I collect my $500 million settlement check, my setting myself up so that I could go 17 years without a paycheck is going to look very, very good. ”

But let’s say you get to the age of 70 and you don’t get that $500 million, You would look pretty foolish, don’t you agree?

Yes, I agree.

But I don’t see that I have ever had any alternative courses of action available to me. What would you have me do, Anonymous? If I say that I believe that Greaney included a valuation adjustment in his retirement study, I am guilty of fraud myself (and obviously so as I have said on thousands of occasions that I do not believe that the study contains a valuation adjustment). That would obviously be an insane thing to do.

I am always trying to figure out what you Goons would like to see me do. The best guess that I am able to come up with is that you would like me not to mention this stuff anymore, neither the fact that none of the Buy-and-Hold studies contain valuation adjustments nor the fact that there has been a 17-year cover-up of that reality.

Is that a viable option?

I don’t think so. Say that Shiller is right. I believe that he is. If Shiller is right, we are going to see a devastating price crash. In the past three bull/bear cycles, we dropped to a CAPE level of 8 before the irrational depression that always follows a period of irrational exuberance came to an end. That’s a 70 percent drop from where we are today. Millions of retirements will fail. Hundreds of thousands of businesses will go under. Millions of people will lose their jobs. It is possible that we will experience a Second Great Depression. I obviously pray that we do not. But, given what I know about Shiller’s research, I cannot rule out the possibility.

I love my country. I live in this country. My boys are going to be starting their own lives in this country. Should I just keep quiet about what I know and let millions of people suffer as a consequence? I am not able to rationalize doing that. If you knew in advance about the 911 attacks, would you have kept your mouth shut? I think you would have tried to do something. A Second Great Depression would have effects on our country worse than those we experienced with the 911 attacks. I don’t see how I can in good conscience keep my mouth shut about what I know given the likely consequences to millions of people of me doing so.

The story needs to get out. Of this I am 100 percent sure. If we could go back in time, the Buy-and-Holders would vote for it getting out way back in 1981. It is my belief that the story did not get out when Shiller published his research because the Buy-and-Holders were suffering from cognitive dissonance and just elected to look the other way. Now they cannot stand the thought of word getting out because they feel that it will look bad that there has been a cover-up going on for so many years. But, if the story is going to get out sooner or later in any event, the Buy-and-Holders and everyone else are better off if it gets out as quickly as possible. So for 17 years I have been doing everything in my power to see that it gets out as quickly as possible.

I have paid a big price for what I have done. Obviously. I certainly do not say different.

But what sort of price will we all pay if I elect to keep my mouth shut? It seems to me that that price is likely to be many times bigger. I wish that there were no price to pay whatsoever. But it appears to me that my only options are to pay a very, very big price or to pay a price many times higher than that. For 17 years I have chosen to pay the smaller price no matter how painful it has been to pay that price (and it of course has been painful indeed).

We need to solve this problem. I need that. You need that. Shiller needs that. Bogle needs that. Bogle needs that even now that he has died. Bogle needs that to protect his reputation. As a Bogle lover, I want to see his reputation protected. So I work to help Bogle out as much as I work to help all the rest of us out.

I just am not able to imagine any possible good that could come from a continued cover-up. We are talking about unimaginable amounts of pain being inflicted on people. I fell into circumstances where I can help those people and be compensated very, very handsomely for doing so. That is the course of action that makes sense to me. I acknowledge that I have been hurt very badly and I of course do not like it. I just am not able to see any course of action that would not lead to more hurt, both for me and for millions of others. So I soldier on.

I hope that all of that makes at least a tiny bit of sense.

I naturally wish you all the best that this life has to offer a person.

Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“I Don’t Think That Those People Are Engaged in Fraud Because I Don’t Think That They Are Aware of the Problems With the Studies. We Need to Have a National Debate re These Matters So That Everyone Knows About the Problems with the Studies that Yielded the 4 Percent Rule.”

June 3, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Uh oh, Rob. There is a SWR discussion going on without any mention of you, VII or CAPE. these people are banking on their cotton candy nothingness. You better jump in there and rescue them from this fraud.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/investing/3036136-kitces-4-swr-sequence-risk.html

Thanks for the link, Anonymous.

I don’t think that those people are engaged in fraud because I don’t think that they are aware of the problems with the studies. We need to have a national debate re these matters so that everyone knows about the problems with the studies that yielded the 4 percent rule. The fraud is when people like you engage in abusive behavior to block those discussions from taking place.If you were truly confident that the Buy-and-Hold studies were legitimate, you would have no problem with letting people engage in civil and reasoned debate.

Bill Bernstein doesn’t think that the safe withdrawal rate is always 4 percent. Nor does Wade Pfau. Nor does Rob Arnott. Nor does Todd Tressider. Nor did John Walter Russell. Even Bill Bengen lost confidence in the 4 percent rule in the days following the 2008 crash. Please mark me down as agreeing with all those people. I think that the studies claiming that the safe withdrawal rate is always 4 percent are dangerous and should be corrected. At the very least honest posting should be permitted at every site so that those who would not follow the 4 percent rule if they knew the case against it could be alerted to the dangers before their lives are ruined.

My best and warmest wishes to you and yours.

Rob

 

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“I Came Across This Quote From Upton Sinclair: ‘It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It.’ That’s the Deal. Buy-and-Hold Is a Money-Maker. It Appeals to the Most Base Human Emotions and Thereby It Brings in the Bucks by the Truckload.”

May 28, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

I was reading an article at another spot on the internet and I came across this quote from Upton Sinclair: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” That’s the deal. Buy-and-Hold is a money-maker. It appeals to the most base human emotions and thereby it brings in the bucks by the truckload.

I don’t think that we can afford it anymore. Too many human lives are in the process of being destroyed by this massive con. I think that after the next price crash we are going to have to realize that we need to move forward as a nation. I think we will.

But I don’t know everything. I could be wrong. It has happened before and, if it were happening again, I would probably be the last to know. So we are just going to have to wait to see how things play out in the days following the next crash.

My best wishes.

Upton Sinclair Fan Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“The Buy-and-Hold Stuff Is Just a Marketing Gimmick. It Is a Money-Making Thing. The Idea Is Just to Keep You Dumb So That You Will Do What You Are Told. If a Car Dealer Told Me Not to Ask About the Price of His Car Before Buying It, I Would Feel That He Was Insulting My Intelligence.”

May 27, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

What guaranteed real returns are available in CDs, TIPS, IBonds etc. today?

I looked on Bankrate and there is a 3% APY for a CD with a 2-year term and a deposit of $2,500.

I presume that the point that you are seeking to make is that that return is not good enough to generate the level of compounding needed to finance a solid middle-class retirement. I’ve heard that concern expressed many times.

It’s a whole lot better than a loss of 70 percent, okay? A whole lot better.

Now you will come back and say that I cannot give you the precise date that we are going to see the loss of 70 percent. I cannot do that, that’s for sure. But 70 percent losses don’t just pop up randomly. They always take place at times of insanely high prices, like those that apply today. So I can say that the RISK that we are going to see a 70 percent loss in stocks is far higher today than it would be if we were at reasonable price levels. And I can give you the historical data you need to assess how big a risk that is and whether it is worth going with the 3 percent (non-inflation-adjusted) return that is available with CDs today.

Investing is a risk-assessment exercise. That’s the name of the game. You cannot build a retirement account earning 3 percent non-inflation adjusted. I certainly acknowledge that. But there is no reason to believe that you would ever need to do that. If you put a portion of your money in an investment class earning 3 percent at a time when there is a strong likelihood of a 70 percent price drop in the more heavily promoted asset class, you have protected that money during a bad time for investors. If stocks suffer a 70 percent loss (as they will if the CAPE level drops to the level to which it has dropped at the end of every earlier bull/bear cycle in U.S. history), the most likely annualized 10-year real return for stocks going forward from that point will be 15 percent real. If you earn 3 percent for a year or two on a certain amount of money and then 15 percent real for the next 10 years, your 12-year return is plenty good enough to support a solid middle-class retirement.

Valuation-Informed Indexing is about taking risk and return into consideration when making allocation decisions instead of going with what the Wall Street Con Men say regardless of whether or not it makes sense for you. There was a fellow at the Bogleheads Forum who said “no one would go into a bank and say ‘I’ll take a certificate of deposit” without first asking about the return being offered. That’s exactly right. No one should buy stocks without first checking the likely return either. It’s never a plus to fail to inform yourself of how your investment class is likely to perform.

If you inform yourself, you will do better in the long term. That’s been so for 150 years now, as far back as we have records. There’s never been an exception to the general rule. The Buy-and-Hold stuff is just a marketing gimmick. It is a money-making thing. The idea is just to keep you dumb so that you will do what you are told. If a car dealer told me not to ask about the price of his car before buying it, I would feel that he was insulting my intelligence. I think that you should feel the same way when the Wall Street Con Men come up with all these marketing slogans aimed at keeping you in the dark as to whether stocks offer a strong value proposition at a given point in time or not. I am trying to make you rich, not our Wall Street Con Men friends. Our Wall Street Con Men friends are rich enough already, in my assessment.

Anyway, that’s the concept. I wish you the best of luck in all your future life endeavors.

Educated-Consumer-of-Stocks Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

Rob: “I Have My Name on the Most Important Piece of Peer-Reviewed Research Published in This Field in the Past 30 Years.” Buy-and-Hold Goon: “And How Much Money Have You Made From That?”

April 8, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“But I have my name on the most important piece of peer-reviewed research published in this field in the past 30 years. That’s a five-star outcome.”

And how much money have you made from that?

I haven’t made a dime, Anonymous.

But I should have made a lot.

There are hundreds of other people who are aware of what the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research in this field teaches us all about how stock investing works in the real world who would like to be helping us all out and making money doing it. But they are holding back because they have seen how Buy-and-Holders react to people who do honest work in this field. I want those people helping out. I want them making money. I want to see the acts of financial fraud that have been employed by Buy-and-Holders to stop millions of people from learning what they need to learn to come to a full and complete stop by the close of business tomorrow.

That’s the deal here. I want the massive act of financial fraud to be exposed and you want it to continue. We are working at cross purposes.

I want to be able to make money doing honest work and I want lots and lots and lots of others to be able to do the same. For that to happen, we need to come together as a society and bring an end to the death threats and to the demands for unjustified board bannings and to the thousands of acts of defamation and to the threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs. Financial fraud is a crime in the United States. It is a felony. It is my intent to bring this massive act of financial fraud to a full and complete stop.

Does all of that not make perfect sense?

Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“70% of the Problem With Investment Advice Today Is Just Ignorance. Another 20% Is Cognitive Dissonance. Fraud is 10 Percent of the Problem. We Can Dispel the Ignorance and Cognitive Dissonance. But We Cannot Get to First Base Until We Come Together As a People and Adopt a 100% Firm Position re the Financial Fraud Garbage.”

April 4, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a post that I recently put to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

I am not really following. Are you comparing yourself to women who were assaulted by bill cosby?

And are you saying that they were correct to not come forward?

Yes, I am making the comparison. Cosby committed terrible crimes. He deserves to be in prison.

I wish that the women would have come forward immediately after the crimes were committed just as I wish that every single person who witnessed the crimes that you Goons have committed would have come forward immediately. I certainly understand why the women did not come forward. Cosby was a powerful person and there is often a big price to be paid for coming forward about crimes committed by powerful people. We saw the same phenomenon play out when Wade Pfau became afraid of what would be done to him if he sought to have your threats against him prosecuted. Would Bogle have helped? Or would Bogle have kept his mouth shut in support of you Goons? We know which way Wade moved. So we know he had doubts about how much he could count on Bogle’s help.

The financial fraud thing is a very big deal. I would say that 70 percent of the problem with investment advice today is just ignorance. I mean no dig by that. Humankind is born in ignorance. Shiller provided us a big piece of the puzzle in 1981 and his research could have been put to use dispelling lots of ignorance. But that doesn’t mean that the people who remain in ignorance today are to blame for their condition. We all learn by talking things over. And you Goons have been working hard for a long time to make sure that the price for dispelling ignorance in this field is very high. So millions of people know less than they want to know and less than they need to know.

Another 20 percent of the problem is cognitive dissonance. The experts cannot plead ignorance. They are paid to know about stuff like Shiller’s research. So they possess at least a surface understanding of it. But cognitive dissonance makes it hard for them to develop a fuller understanding. Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing. I think it is a terrible mistake to attribute mistakes that the experts make to fraud when there is a chance that it may instead by attributable to cognitive dissonance. The charitable thing to do is to attribute it to cognitive dissonance if there is any possibility whatsoever that that is the real cause. I don’t call something “fraud” until I see clear evidence of bad intent — death threats or demands for unjustified board bannings or thousands of acts of defamation or threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs. Even in those cases, cognitive dissonance is usually the cause of the mistaken position. But in those cases you clearly have fraud at work too in regard to the cover-up of the mistake.

I would say that outright fraud is 10 percent of the problem. It’s a relatively small percentage. But it is a small percentage that causes a huge amount of human misery. Ignorance is an unfortunate reality but it is just one of those things. The full reality is that we all should be jumping for joy that Shiller provided us the means to overcome our ignorance 38 years ago. We are all on the road to becoming far more effective investors. It’s a shame that the vast majority of us remain stuck in a pre-1981 understanding of how stock investing works. But the trend line is looking very positive.

Cognitive dissonance is hurting us more than ignorance. If it were not for the cognitive dissonance, we could clear up the ignorance in no time. It certainly would not take 38 years to get the word out re how stock investing works in the real world! But cognitive dissonance is a real thing and I think we just have to accept that, however long it takes for the experts in this field to overcome their cognitive dissonance, that’s how long it takes. We need to do what we can to keep things moving forward. But we should not make harsh judgments in cases in which they are not 100 percent justified and required.

The fraud stuff is different. It is the fraud stuff that permits both the ignorance and the cognitive dissonance to do us so much harm. We can dispel the ignorance and we can dispel the cognitive dissonance. And it should not take all that much time to make the good stuff happen. But we cannot get to first base until we come together as a people and adopt a 100 percent firm position re the financial fraud garbage. That’s 100 percent critical. That’s the entire ball of wax. Our laws against financial fraud are good and necessary laws. We need to enforce them.

That’s my sincere take re these terribly important matters, in any event.

Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“All of the Evidence Is on One Side of the Table and All of the Power Is on the Other.”

February 27, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

If you and VII have been so successful, why are not famously wealthy by now?

Because there have been thousands of books published advocating Buy-and-Hold. And there are thousands of experts who have built their careers promoting the Buy-and-Hold concept. And because millions of investors have bought into the concept (never even having heard of Valuation-Informed Indexing) and can’t stand the thought that their retirement hopes are riding on a strategy that was discredited by the peer-reviewed research 37 years ago.

The research-based case for Shiller’s finding that valuations affect long-term returns is rock solid. But the opposition to open discussion of the implications of Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research is rock solid too.

We have a standoff for the time-being. All of the evidence is on one side of the table and all of the power is on the other. Will some of the power move to the side that already holds all of the evidence in the days following the next price crash? I sure hope so. I sure expect so. But we are going to have to wait and see to find out for certain. You Goons are not going to buy in just because I say that that’s where I sincerely think things are headed.

My best wishes to you.

Not Famously Wealthy (Yet!) Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“The Problem Is That a Bunch of Buy-and-Holders Have Become So Defensive About an Error That They Made Many Years Ago That They Are Willing to Do Absolutely Anything to Keep the Word from Getting Out.”

January 3, 2019 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“The article explains who I am and how I came to be the world’s leading expert on the 37-year cover-up of the dangers of the Buy-and-Hold Model.”

So you wrote a long winded article about how great you think you are with an expectation that someone might be interested in publishing your self promotion of your greatness.

That’s certainly not how I see it, Anonymous.

I have made an amazing contribution to the field, there’s no question about that. People use safe withdrawal rate studies to plan retirements. A failed retirement is a serious life setback. There are thousands of people who have looked at the Greaney retirement study over the past 16 years. Not one has been able to identify a valuations adjustment in his study. So what I said in my famous post of the morning of May 13, 2002, has stood up to scrutiny. A LOT of scrutiny.

So, yes, I have done something great. Good for me, you know? But I sure have not ever done anything to try to negate the huge accomplishments of lots of other great people. I have said all along that Greaney’s study was a big advance over the safe withdrawal rate analyses that came before it. So Greaney is also great, no? I have said that I learned about the error in Greaney’s study by reading Bogle’s book and that there would be no Valuation-Informed Indexing without Bogle’s many amazing contributions having come first. So Bogle too is also great, no? My aim in opening every discussion board and blog on the internet to honest posting on the last 37 years of peer-reviewed research in this field is to bring more attention to Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research. So I obviously think that Shiller is great too, no? I told Wade Pfau that he was “insane” to work with you Goons because he was well-positioned to be awarded a Nobel prize for the research that I prepared with him. So I obviously think that Wade is great too. no?

Lots of people are great. So why do we see friction in our discussions and why did we recently live though an economic crisis although we now have available to us the research findings that would permit us to put economic crises behind us if only we would explore their implications? It’s because some of us (you Goons!) so much want to be sure that no one recognizes my greatness that you were willing to burn numerous discussion board communities to the ground and to bring on another economic crisis and even to go to prison to stop that from happening. Huh? What the f?

The problem here is not that I did something great in pointing out the error in the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies. The problem is that a bunch of Buy-and-Holders have become so defensive about an error that they made many years ago that they are willing to do absolutely anything to keep the word from getting out. And it is of course going to get out anyway. When the next price crash arrives, we are going to see millions of people lose 50 percent of their life savings. Do you seriously think that they are not going to ask questions? I think they are going to ask question. And I think that you Goons are going to look back then and wonder what drove you to engage in such insane behavior.

I don’t apologize for discovering and then pointing out to people the error in the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies. I think it would be fair to say that that was my finest moment. It took a lot of courage to do that. And it is something that very much needed to be done. If Greaney had been thinking clearly, he would have thanked me. If he had been thinking clearly, he would have recalled that his reason for creating his study was to help people and that he obviously was not helping people by getting the number so wildly wrong. So he would have been grateful to me for pointing out the error and helping him to get it right.

I did something great. Lots of people did. We all should celebrate that. We should all resolve to do everything in our power to bring the death threats and the demands for unjustified board bannings and the thousands of acts of defamation and the threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs to a full and complete stop by the close of business today and then to just celebrate our collective greatness in doing our part to create and develop and promote the first true research-based model for understanding how stock investing works. Yes?

My sincere take.

The Truly Great (and the Happy and Full-Throated Recognizer of Other True Greats) Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“The Problem Stems From the Fact That We Didn’t Always Know Everything There Is to Know About How Stock Investing Works, and When Shiller Published His Nobel-Prize-Winning Research, the Buy-and-Holders Elected to Ignore It Rather Than to Work Up the Courage to Say the Words ‘I’ and ‘Was’ and ‘Wrong.’ Now We Are in a Trap. It Is Now 500 Times Harder for Bogle and the Other Buy-and-Holders to Say Those Words Than It Would Have Been to Say Them 37 Years Ago.”

November 22, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“I hope that helps a bit. I have heard of the Coffeehouse Portfolio. I don’t know what the Cowards Portfolio is. I obviously get it that a three-fund portfolio would include three funds but I couldn’t tell you what those three funds would be. These questions don’t interest me too much.”

So you don’t really know what is in all those portfolios as well as their strategy, yet you say that they will all lose 50% of their value and that VII is superior.

I don’t say that. It’s the last 37 years of peer-reviewed research in this field that says that. I REPORT it. I am a reporter. That’s the kind of thing we do. We don’t just push smiley-face marketing slogans. We REPORT realities.

What if these funds went by the name of “The Irrational Exuberance Portfolio”? Do you think that would sell? Why do you think they don’t do it that way? It’s because they want to turn a quick buck. Valuation-Informed Indexing is what works. Buy-and-Hold is what sells.

It can’t all be about marketing. When millions of middle-class people see their lifetime savings wiped out, they are going to get angry. When they learn that there were people trying to tell them what the last 37 years of peer-reviewed research teaches us about how stock investing works in the real world, their anger is going to intensify. The Buy-and-Hold marketing slogans will be spoken as obscenities in those days. Not a good thing.

There’s plenty of money to be made in this field telling the truth. You could have all these funds and still tell people the truth about the need to practice price discipline (long-term timing) when buying stocks and the funds would actually work and people would like them. The problem stems from the fact that we didn’t always know everything there is to know about how stock investing works, and when Shiller published his Nobel-prize-winning research, the Buy-and-Holders elected to ignore it rather than to work up the courage to say the words “I’ and “Was” and “Wrong.” Now we are in a trap. It is now 500 times harder for Bogle and the other Buy-and-Holders to say those words than it would have been to say them 37 years ago.

Am I responsible for any of that? I was a Buy-and-Holder myself on the morning of May 13, 2002. I was just trying to point out an error in a retirement study because I had come to care about my fellow community members at a discussion board at which I posted and I didn’t want to see them get hurt. I gave up on Buy-and-Hold on the evening of August 27, 2002, when Greaney advanced his first death threat and 200 Buy-and-Holders endorsed it. Huh? What the f? Does that sound like science to you? I became a Buy-and-Holder because it was promoted as being rooted in peer-reviewed research and I believe in science. Death threats ain’t science. Endorsements of death threats ain’t science. No way, no how. It’s not a close call.

Part of the scientific process is learning new things and acknowledging your mistakes when you do. That’s how human knowledge advances over time. Shiller didn’t hurt the Buy-and-Holders when he published his “revolutionary” (his word) research findings. He helped them. He gave them a chance to avoid all of the embarrassment that they are feeling today. That’s what I did for Greaney when I pointed out the error in his retirement study. He should have thanked me. He didn’t. But he should have. If your aim is to help people with a retirement study, you want to know if you have made a mistake. Greaney has made it look like he INTENDED to cause millions of failed retirements, that he was working a con from the first day. It is Greaney who is making Greaney look bad, not Bennett. I have described his study as a big advance over what came before that happened to include an error because lots of people in the field had not come to terms with Shiller’s findings at the time that Greaney prepared his study. I was Greaney’s best friend. And I still am. I am still trying to help him out 16 years later, whether he is able to see that or not.

If you invest in any of those funds without exercising price discipline, you are going to hurt yourself. I am 100 percent sure. Of course that’s true of any good or service that you could possibly buy. If you buy cars or sweaters or bananas without exercising price discipline, you are going to hurt yourself. The idea that stocks are the one exception to the otherwise universal rule was a MISTAKE that in an ideal world would have been corrected when it was uncovered by the peer-reviewed research in 1981. Shiller has described the intellectual leap from the finding that short-term price changes are unpredictable to the Buy-and-Hold belief that the market sets prices properly as “one of the most remarkable errors in the history of economics.” That’s the story here. When you make a mistake re an important matter, you need to correct it. The Buy-and-Hold claim that there is no need to exercise price discipline (engage in long-term timing) is the biggest mistake ever made in the history of personal finance. It is hurting us all. It is in the process of potentially bringing our economic system to its knees.

That’s my sincere take re these terribly important matters, in any event, Anonymous.

I naturally wish you all the best that this life has to offer a person.

Mistake Correcting (and Proud of It!) Rob

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