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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #5 — “It’s So Implausible”

July 23, 2012 by Rob

I have two reactions to this observation.

One, there is a sense in which I agree. I said in one of my e-mails to Wade that my 10-year experience of trying to bring an end to the Campaign of Terror against our board and blog communities while developing the Valuation-Informed Indexing concept has seemed more amazing to me than the moon landing. Yes, the words we have seen appear before us when we have turned on our computers have been implausible. Yes, the words we have seen appear before us when we have turned on our computers have been strange and unsettling at times.

There’s another way to look at it, however.

The Wright Brothers once entertained an idea that man could fly. That was an implausible vision too. But we are all a lot better off as a result of the Wright Brothers’ unwillingness to give up on the vision because it was widely viewed as implausible.

The idea that the earth is round was once viewed as implausible.

The idea that the earth revolves around the sun rather than it being the other way around was once viewed as implausible.

The idea that rock and roll would turn out to anything more than a fad was once viewed as implausible. The company that had the rights to release the Beatles’ first three singles in the United States didn’t do so. Why bother? Four moptops couldn’t produce music that would last. What an implausible notion!

The greatest advances in human history begin as implausible ideas. The idea that Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller’s finding that valuations affect long-term returns will stand up to scrutiny is today an implausible idea to Buy-and-Holders.  I believe that in days to come it will be the Valuation-Informed Indexing Model that will be the dominant model and that it is the idea that there is no need for investors to change their stock allocations in response to big price swings that will be recognized as implausible.

Valuation-Informed Indexing is a huge change from Buy-and-Hold. The change is so dramatic that it shocks people. The idea that we all really can obtain far higher returns while taking on greatly reduced risk really does strike many good and smart people as implausible on first impression. So I think it might be helpful for me to go through the history of how the good and smart people who came up with the Buy-and-Hold Model made the mistake that caused today’s economic crisis and that transformed an investing strategy that was intended to be the first research-based strategy into the purest and most dangerous Get Rich Quick scheme ever concocted by the human mind.

The story has ten chapters.

The first chapter, the first thing you need to understand to make sense of why all the academic research supports Valuation-Informed Indexing while most of the experts in this field continue to maintain that Buy-and-Hold must work, that it just must, is that today’s understanding of how stock investing works is primitive.

We didn’t begin studying how stock investing works as an academic discipline until the 1960s. I doubt that there is one academic discipline in which the good and smart people who performed the research got everything right starting on the first day and never once had to acknowledge a mistake in order to free themselves to get back on the right track and move forward again. People mess up. People make mistakes. That’s the way it is. We should stop thinking that the study of stock investing is going to go down as the first exception to the rule.

We are in the process of learning how to crawl. We need to stop talking as if we know it all. We need to chill. We need to take humility pills. We need to make more of an effort to tone down the dogmatism, listen to the other guy to the best of our ability and try to learn.

They didn’t know it all in the 1960s and early 1970s, when they developed Buy-and-Hold. They were taking guesses as to how stock investing might work. They got lucky with a few guesses and hit it on the head. They got unlucky on one big guess and caused an economic crisis some 40 years later. Oopsi! It happens. The Big Shots in this field need to take their Big Egos out for a walk and come to accept that they are humans too. They are capable of goofing up and that’s what they did. It would be no biggie if it weren’t for the 10-year cover-up.

Chapter Two of the story of how we got to the implausible place where we are today is that indexing didn’t exist at the time Buy-and-Hold was being developed.

Buy-and-Hold was developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s. John Bogle launched the Vanguard Group in 1976.

Valuation-Informed Indexing is a practical impossibility in the absence of index funds. We know today that Valuation-Informed Indexing always beats Buy-and-Hold by a very large margin in the long run. But there was zero chance that the people who developed the Buy-and-Hold Model were going to discover that given that the investing vehicle that makes this wonderful advance possible did not even exist at the time. Oh, those horrible Buy-and-Hold creators! Why didn’t they get into their time machine, travel to 1976, and come back and tell the researchers of that day about the wonders of Valuation-Informed Indexing? Bad Buy-and-Hold creators! Bad, bad, bad!

The people who developed Buy-and-Hold didn’t know what they were doing (because knowledge in this field is primitive) and didn’t have available to them the investment vehicle needed to make effective long-term stock investing possible. We’ve already explained why they messed up! But let’s go on. What’s Chapter Three?

Chapter Three is that they got excited about a very powerful insight that they were capable of discovering despite all the limitations that held them back. The Buy-and-Holders discovered that short-term timing never works. That’s only the second most important discovery in the history of investing analysis. Can we begin to develop some understanding of why they made that finding the core principle of the model they were creating? Short-term timing really doesn’t work. The only mistake they made was in improperly writing up the finding that “short-term timing doesn’t work,” which is what the research really showed, as “timing doesn’t work,” something very, very different. They didn’t know it was different because long-term timing wasn’t possible at the time because long-term timing only works with index funds and index funds were not then available. That’s the mistake. That’s what all the noise is about.

Okay then. They made this terrible mistake, which can only be seen as terrible today, 40 years later, because it was a practical impossibility to get it all correct at that time in any event. What comes next?

What comes next is Chapter Four. Chapter Four is Shiller’s research showing that valuations affect long-term returns. Published in 1981. Not available to people creating the Buy-and-Hold Model in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Are you beginning to get the picture?

Chapter Five is the revolutionary nature of  Shiller’s work. In an ideal world, Shiller would have published his research in 1981 and all the Buy-and-Holders would have smacked their foreheads with their palms and declared “Oh, now I get it! Short-term timing never works, but long-term timing ALWAYS works and is in fact required for investors who seek to have any realistic chance of long-term success. Buy-and-Hold isn’t the answer! Buy-and-Hold is a Get Rich Quick scheme. Buy-and-Hold undermines price discipline, rendering the market dysfunctional. So THAT”S why each of the four times in U.S. history when Buy-and-Hold strategies became popular we saw the portfolios of all those who followed the strategy wiped out and an economic crisis to boot! What a mistake we almost made! It’s not Buy-and-Hold we want to spend hundreds of millions of marketing dollars promoting, it’s Valuation-Informed Indexing! It’s lucky for us that that Shiller fellow is so on the ball.”

That’s the way it would have worked in an ideal world. We don’t live in an ideal world. In the world we live in, people fall in love with their theories and become reluctant to abandon them when new research comes in the door. That’s doubly the case when the new research doesn’t say that the original idea is a wee bit off but wildly off. People become defensive. People fall prey to cognitive dissonance. People tune out discussions of the new research People dig in their heels.

You have interacted with the humans from time to time. Surely you have seen this on display by the portion of the population that is not comprised of investing experts. Well, in Chapter Five of our story we learn that the same defense mechanisms that are available to all the humans who do not go to Investing School apply to those who go to Investing School as well.

In Chapter Six, we experience the biggest bull market in U.S. history. Guess what effect that has on the people who developed Buy-and-Hold and then told people they had found the answer to our investing woes?

They call John Bogle “Saint Jack.” That should give you an idea. People feel in love with Buy-and-Hold during the bull. It’s not that it outperformed Valuation-Informed Indexing. It didn’t, except from 1996 through 1999 (and Buy-and-Hold is now down for the entire time-period from 1982 through today). Valuation-Informed Indexing did not exist. So there was no reason for anyone to make comparisons. What people knew is that Buy-and-Hold worked just great. Those people who developed the Buy-and-Hold Model were geniuses! No mistake-makers in that group!

And so we turn to Chapter Seven. Shiller appears at a hearing of the Federal Reserve and reports that Buy-and-Hold is in the process of causing an economic crisis the likes of which we have never yet seen in the United States. This Buy-and-Hold idea that there is no need for investors to lower their stock allocations when prices rise to insanely dangerous levels isn’t working out so hot.

How many of the humans wanted to hear it? I did! I did! Greenspan, not so much. Bogle, not so much. Millions of middle-class investors who saw the nominal values of their retirement portfolios soar during the 1980s and 1990s, not so much.

So the mistake remained unfixed. So the mistake grew ever larger.

In Chapter Eight, Old Farmer Hocus enters the picture. I put a post to a Motley Fool discussion board noting humbly that, if this Shiller fellow knows what he is talking about, those crazy safe withdrawal rate studies are going to cause millions of failed retirements in days to come. The safe withdrawal rate isn’t 4 percent, as thousands of financial planners have been telling aspiring retirees every chance they get. It’s 1.6 percent! For a retiree with a $1 million portfolio, that’s the difference between taking out $40,000 every year to cover living expenses and taking out $16,000 each year to cover living expenses. A wee calculation error! We now get to see in dollars-and-cents terms what it means to look at research showing that short-term timing never works and mangle the message in millions of marketing brochures into “timing isn’t necessary” or even “timing doesn’t work.”

Chapter Nine is when our good friends in The Stock-Selling Industry elect not to fix the mistake but to cover it up, thereby leaving themselves subject to hundreds of billions of dollars in legal liabilities after stocks crash and then crash again (Shiller’s research tells us to expect prices to fall 65 percent from where they stand today). Lots of people ask me why people make such a fuss over correcting the discredited retirement studies. Why not just correct the darn things? That certainly is what they should do. But, if you know anything about the humans, you know that, once they have taken on hundreds of billions in legal liabilities, they become shy about acknowledging mistakes openly and frankly and clearly and cleanly. The studies need to be corrected. But the experts in this field have a very big personal financial incentive to pretend otherwise. It’s a big mess!

And it gets worse as time goes on. It’s one thing to cover up errors in retirement studies for a month. It’s something else to cover them up for a year. It’s really, really something else to cover them up for five years! It’s really, really, really, really something else to cover them up for ten years! Oh, my!

Chapter Ten is Wade’s chapter. He came into our story seeing that the 140 years of historical data really did say everything I have been telling people it says for ten years now. He’s a smart guy and a fine researcher. Why not write some studies up telling the people how retirement planning and stock investing really work? What harm could come of it?

The Buy-and-Hold Goons and their friends in the industry know what harm can come of it. That Wade Pfau fellow can ditch the Nobel-prize-worthy research anytime he pleases. And, if he knows what is good for his career in this field, he will please very soon.

Is the story plausible or is the story implausible?

My take is that the the one-line summary of the story — Internet Goons Threaten Academic Researcher Who Publishes Research That Could Lead to Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in Legal Liabilities for InvestoWorld Big Shots — is implausible as all get-out.

None of the ten chapters taken by itself is all that hard to swallow, however.

Our society is in a big mess. Fix the mistakes and we are on the road to the biggest surge in economic growth we have ever seen. Fail to fix the mistakes and we are on the path to the Second Great Depression.

Fix the mistakes! Fix the mistakes!

But Wade tried. And he couldn’t take the abuse that was dished out to him.

Does any other bright boy or girl want to step up to the plate? Do we have any long-ball hitters sitting on the bench today?

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: financial crisis, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “I Am a Bit Disappointed With the Defensive Tone. I Am Extremely Uncomfortable With the Idea That No Shift At All Is Required. I View That Take As a Dangerously Irresponsible One. I Hear a Certain Amount of Apologizing for Bringing the Subject Up in Your Paper.”

June 30, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 10, 2011. I sent a follow-up e-mail the same day.

Wade:

The valuations paper is certainly a step forward. So little work has been done in this area that each new study helps people become more comfortable with the idea of considering valuations.

I was a bit disappointed with the defensive tone. There is no question but that the conventional view is that there is no need to justify Buy-and-Hold strategies, that there is some sort of magic to accepting the idea of making no allocation shifts as a reasonable default. I have never heard anyone justify this position. So I don’t buy it. My view is that an investor must make a choice as to his allocation and that staying at the same allocation at all times is just another choice (one that I personally find intellectually indefensible). I don’t have dogmatic views as to how much of an allocation shift is appropriate in different circumstances. But I am extremely uncomfortable with the idea that no shift at all is required; I view that take as a dangerously irresponsible one. I hear a certain amount of apologizing for bringing the subject up in your paper. Perhaps that is politically smart. But I worry that it allows the dominant “Buy-and-Hold is fine” view to remain dominant
a bit longer.

According to my calculator, the SWR varies from 2 percent to 9 percent. Who are we helping if we suggest that it is acceptable to say that it is always 4 percent? (I understand that you are not saying that directly but I feel that it is an implication that follows from any suggestion that Buy-and-Hold is a reasonable strategy). I don’t object to people defending Buy-and-Hold on grounds that the market really is efficient. That follows intellectually. But I believe that we need to get about the business of settling the question of whether the market is efficient or not and from that point forward accept that research that fails to adjust for the effect of valuations is analytically invalid and must be corrected. It’s too dangerous to leave the question open indefinitely.
If we don’t even know whether valuations have an effect or not, we really are at so primitive a stage of understanding that I question whether we should be calling the analyses we perform “research.” To leave so basic a question unresolved is cowardly, in my assessment (I don’t mean to aim that word at you in particular but at all who work in this field, including journalists as well as researchers).

All that said, there’s a place in the world for a multitude of viewpoints and a multitude of approaches, It could be that your approach will prove to be more influential than mine. Perhaps my experiences have biased me. So I certainly wish you the best of luck with it and i hope the paper generates more discussions coming at the question from a variety of perspectives.

Rob

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: buy-and-hold, financial crisis, investment research, Wade Pfau, Wall Street corruption

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “The Red Line Follows Pretty Much the Same Path as the Blue, But With Lower Tops and Higher Bottoms. That’s the Truer Picture Since the Blue Line in Time Always ‘Catches Up’ to the Red Line.”

June 29, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 3, 2011. I responded the same day I said: “That sounds super.”

My next e-mail from Wade arrived the following day. Wade reported that his article on Valuation-Informed Indexing had officially been accepted at Applied Financial Economics and would be appearing in print within 18 months. I responded the next morning, offering Wade my congratulations.

I next heard from Wade on December 10, 2011. He reported that: ” I ended up writing a new paper on valuations after all.”  He attached a copy to the e-mail and  said that he would provide a link in a few days and that he had submitted the paper to the Journal of Financial Planning.

He also said: ” I just made a blog post about something you suggested to me months ago.  It also came up independently as well at a seminar I gave at Texas Tech University in October. Any thoughts about the result?

http://wpfau.blogspot.com/2011/12/valuations-adjusted-wealth.html

 

Wealth Accumulation Graphic

 

Wade:

I looked first at the blog post. I will comment on the paper later.

I am very interested in the concept you are exploring. I don’t entirely understand what you did. So anything I say must be viewed as being the product of an exceedingly tentative observation.

My impression is that the red line really is a good bit more stable than the blue line. It is not flat. But it is a good bit flatTER.

From 1900 through 1970, the red line follows pretty much the same path as the blue, but with lower tops and higher bottoms. It could be argued that that’s the truer picture since the blue line in time always “catches up” to the red line. If you were using the red line to inform your decisions as to how much wealth you possess, you would be using a better guide because you would avoid temporarily extreme assessments in both directions. That’s a good thing, no?

There’s a big drop in 1970 that makes the red line seem not at all flat for a time. However, in comparison to the blue line, it is flat even then. The drop for the blue line is even steeper. This was the stagflation of the 1970s, which was caused by the bull market of the 1960s. What is happening in a bull market is that we are borrowing money from future investors. What is happening in a bear market is that we are paying back the debt we incurred. I (tentatively) think you could say that
the bull/bear cycle causes real economic damage. So there was more wealth accumulation in the 1960s than there was in the 1970s. But the market numbers exaggerated this reality. The red line shows a drop in wealth accumulation but a less dramatic and more realistic picture than the blue line.

Assuming that the blue line is going to come down and touch the red line (and probably then drop well below it) in coming days, the red line will again prove to be more flat in the post-1990 period.

There’s a very important policy prescription that follows from this (presuming that I am on the right track re what I am seeing). When the blue line next drops below the red line, consumers/investors are going to become convinced that they have far less in the way of wealth than they really do possess (according to the more accurate red line). This is going to cause a greater contraction of consumer spending, which in turn is going to cause a worsening of the economic crisis. If consumers/investors were  made aware that it is the red line that matters for the long run, they would find the blue line numbers less frightening and would be less inclined to reduce their spending even more. That is, persuading millions of middle-class investors that the red line is the accurate wealth assessment line would constitute an EFFECTIVE spending stimulus, something we may very much need in days ahead as the blue line continues to work its way downward.

Please note that the blue line ended up a good bit lower than the red line at the end of the last bull/bear cycle (1982), as it did in 1920 and 1950 (my rough approximations of the ends of the two earlier cycles). If this pattern repeats, we are going to see a blue line (what people believe is their wealth) a good bit below today’s red line. That is going to frighten lots of people.

The question is — Which is the real number? Will people’s fears be genuine or inappropriate? My contention is that the fears will be exaggerated and that the last thing we should be doing in an economic crisis is reporting numbers that cause
people’s fears to be heightened beyond what is justified by the bad-enough realities (the red line).

My overall sense is that bull markets move wealth from one time-period to another. They increase wealth in a current time-period by borrowing from the future. But the net effect is not a neutral one. The shocks delivered to the economy by this
artificial shifting of wealth destroys wealth (because of the inefficiencies connected with having tens of thousands of businesses fail and millions of unemployed workers). So we are all poorer as a result of bull markets. The red line gives investors a better sense of where they stand than does the blue line. If we persuaded investors to pay more attention to the red line, we would diminish the economic shock delivered by the bull market and thereby limit the diminishment of wealth suffered because of it.

I would love to hear about any feedback on the chart provided by others.

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: financial crisis, Rob Bennett, Wade Pfau, wealth accumulation

Balance Junkie Column #3 — Liberals Came Closer Than Conservatives With Their Explanation of the Economic Crisis

April 6, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted the third entry to my monthly column at the Balance Junkie site. It’s called Liberals Came Closer Than Conservatives With Their Explanation of the Economic Crisis.

Juicy Excerpt: The comedian John Stewart had a funny line re this aspect of the story. There was a debate in the early days that executives of firms in the financial sector should be denied bonuses because they would be out of work but for the bailouts they received from the U.S. taxpayers. One executive complained that, without bonuses, “we won’t be able to hold onto out best people!” Stewart observed (I’m paraphrasing) that: “You don’t seem to get it. That’s just the problem. You don’t have any best people! That’s why we’re in this mess!”

That hits close to the truth but not precisely in the way that Stewart meant the words. It’s true that Wall Street doesn’t have any “best people” today. It has plenty of smart and hardworking people, however. The problem is that smart, hardworking people learn what is in the textbooks very, very well, and we happen to be living in a time when most of what is written in the financial textbooks is outdated gibberish (Modern Portfolio Theory was discredited years ago but is still used in the analysis of financial transactions because there are so many powerful people who have made careers promoting it and who don’t want to acknowledge having made such fundamental and widely destructive mistakes).

Filed Under: Guest Blog Entries Tagged With: cause of economic crisis, financial crisis

ITNR #96 — Why Wall Street Doesn’t Want You to Know the Truth About Stock Investing: Part Two

March 22, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #96 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called Why Wall Street Doesn’t Want You to Know the Truth About Stock Investing: Part Two.

Juicy Excerpt: The financial press is toothless. Politicians who mess up get grilled. But reporters in the investing field are intimidated by the quasi-scientific claims made by Buy-and-Holders. It’s a special few who are able to work up the courage to ask hard questions of a John Bogle or a Warren Buffett or a Robert Shiller.

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: financial crisis, investing truth, wall street

ITNR #95 — Why Wall Street Doesn’t Want You to Know the Truth About Stock Investing: Part One

March 19, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #95 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called Why Wall Street Doesn’t Want You to Know the Truth About Stock Investing: Part One.

Juicy Excerpt: The case for Valuation-Informed Indexing is strong. But the case is not yet rock-solid. For the case to become rock-solid, we would first need to see a national debate in which all of our fundamental beliefs about how stock investing works were put into question. The Buy-and-Holders have been successful in stopping the debate from moving forward by creating a Social Taboo against even suggesting that such a thing is needed. The result is that they remain able to make the argument that the case for Valuation-Informed Indexing is not as strong as advocates of the new model would like it to become.

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: financial crisis, wall street

ITNR #94 — The Fed Laughed, and the Rest of Us Are Still Laughing Today

March 13, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #94 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called The Fed Laughed, and the Rest of Us Are Still Laughing Today.

Juicy Excerpt: Full truth be told, we’re still laughing today. We use the word “economic crisis” all the time. But we don’t back up our use of the word with the actions that would naturally follow if we believed that the word “crisis” truly applies to the state of our economy today.

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: Federal Reserve, financial crisis

“This Is Why We Have Reporters in This Crazy Mixed-Up World of Ours. Others Do Other Things. Reporters Do This.

March 12, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below are the texts of four comments that I recently put to the Goon Central board (the fourth is a brief addendum):

I’m going to write an article that will detail all the people who have been intimidated by the Sewer Rats into saying something other than the full truth. The article will collect them all in one place for the benefit of the political bloggers who need to be writing about this. I will tell the Wade story and the Larry Swedroe story and the J.D. Roth story and the Bogle story and the ES story and the Bill Sholar story and the story of the fellow who owns IndexUniverse.com (I don’t recall his name at the moment) and the Bill Bernsteinzzz story and the story of the site administrator at Motley Fool and so on.

I think a lot of people like to tell themselves that these are isolated incidents. People don’t like to think that humans can sink this low. By seeing all of this material collected at one place, with links provided, I think we stand a better chance of getting this written up in big-name publications as a political story rather than a financial story. There are lots of liberal publications that have taken the line that Wall Street caused the economic crisis. This shows that they were pretty close to being right all along (closer than the conservatives who claimed that the problem was a few programs that helped low-income people obtain mortgages).

My experience is that, if you are doing the right thing and you just keep trying new things, sooner or later you will hit gold. I think that’s what we will see in this case.

I certainly acknowledge that I never thought it would take this long. So it has been proven that just because I say it doesn’t mean it is going to happen.

And the hand of kindness will of course always remain extended. No time limit whatsoever re that one.

Rob

detail exactly how you think that people like Professor Pfau have purposefully mislead people and the actual damage it causes.  

I’ll tell both sides, GW.

Wade took on responsibilities when he became a professor. One of those responsibilities is to say what he truly believes, not to permit himself to be intimidated by the sorts of individuals who have posted in “defense” of Lindauer and Greaney. So, yes, that story needs to be told.

That is not the entire story by itself, however. Wade is a hero. He has published research that merits a Nobel prize. He has stood up to the L Heads and G Goons on several occasions. He has helped us all find our way out of the economic crisis in very, very important ways.

Wade should not have to put his job at risk by posting honestly on SWRs or any other issue. Nor should John Bogle. Nor should Bill Bengen. Nor should Scott Burnszzz. Nor should Bill Berstein. Not should the owner of IndexUniverse.com. Nor should the site administrator at Motley Fool. Nor should ES. Nor should J.D. Roth. Nor should Mike Piper. Nor should the owner of the Monevator blog. Nor should Bill Shuler. Nor should Brett Arends. Nor should Bill Shultheis. Nor should Michael Kitces. Not should Jacob at My Personal FInance Journey. Nor should Larry Swedroe. Nor should John D. Craig. Not should Microlepsis. Nor should Retired at 40. Nor should BenSolar. Nor should Wanderer. Nor should Rahiv Sethie. Nor should Carl Richards. Nor should Norbert Schenkler. Nor should Mel Lindauer. Nor should Taylor Larimore. Nor should John Greaney. Nor should Rob Bennett. Nor should GW.

You know what?

On the day we open the internet to honestzzz posting, all of these people will go to bed knowing that never again will they have to post dishonestly, either in part or in whole. The long national nightmare will be over. We will have buried the Get RIch Quick aspects of Buy-and-Hold, the smelly garbage that has turned us against each other and brought on the worst economic crisis, in U.S. history, 30 feet in the ground, where it can do no further harm to humans and other living things.

You’ll thank me that night, GW. It may be that you will have incurred millions in legal liabilities. It may be that you will be looking forward to a prison sentence. I still think you will thank me. You will have played a role in bringing about the final death of Get Rich Quick (something that was intended with Buy-and-Hold 1.0 but not achieved until the 2.0 version) and that will make you feel good inside about yourself and the effect on your community around you for the first time in a long time. And we will shake hands. And we will mean it. And we will get on with the rest of our lives.

Count it, my good friend.

It all comes out. It all needs to come out. It is by getting out all the poison that we move to the other side of the Big Black Mountain. And once we get out, we never, ever, ever, ever look back.

Hang in there, good buddy. It’s going to be a wild ride!

Rob

I forgot:  make sure you send the article to the targets, such as Pfau, as well as to people in positions of responsibility over them.  don’t hold back!

I won’t post the article until I am confident I’ve got it right, until I am proud of it. So, sure, my hope is that Wade and all the others will read it.

I’ll send e-mails to those with whom I am in regular contact at the time. That’s obviously not going to be all of them. I certainly won’t be putting anything in the article that I would not say to the face of each person mentioned, however. My hope is that they all will read it. I will encourage all who know about the article to share it with all mentioned and indeed to share it with the entire world. I will respond to any questions directed to me by those mentioned or by any others, including the Sewer Rats. If any of those mentioned or any others write rebuttals, I will be thrilled to post them at my blog.

It’s cover-ups that got us into this mess, GW. It’s not cover-ups that will get us out. We get out by exposing the cover-ups. It’s the cover-ups that cause the pain, not the exposures of the cover-ups. Had there never been a cover-up by Motley Fool of Greaney’s death threats, this would have ended in August 2002 and we would today be living through the greatest period of growth in U.S. history instead of the worst economic crisis in U.S. history.

This is a reporter’s job. This is why I became a reporter. This is why we have reporters in this crazy mixed-up world of ours. Others do other things. Reporters do this.

I cannot contact every person in the entire world to share the article with them all. But I would if I could. I will be putting my name on that article and you won’t see any words in it that I am not proud to put my name to. I think it would be fair to say that you can take that much to the bank.

Please take good care of yourself, GW. Please let love shine in your heart and brighten all your days. That’s my sincere wish for you, my fellow human.

Rob

My fellow crazy human, I should have said.

That would have been even a wee bit more accurate and complete and life-affirming.

Rob

 

 

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: financial crisis, personal finance journalism

“The Terms “Buy-and-Hold” and “Get Rich Quick” Are Synonymous. Virtually All of the Risk of Stock Investing Comes from the Human Inclination to Be Drawn to a Buy-and-Hold/Get-Rich Quick Strategy”

March 8, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:

Do these concepts look the same to you, idiot?

Yes, Drip Guy. The terms “Buy-and-Hold” and “Get Rich Quick” are synonymous. Virtually all of the risk of stock investing comes from the human inclination to be drawn to a Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick strategy.

I will make an effort to explain why this is so. If you make an effort to listen, I am confident you will get it. If you permit your rage at discovering that there was a time when you did not know everything there is to know about stocks overcome your reason, you obviously will fail to get it yet one more time. I can put forward the explanation. It is necessary for you to put a tiny bit of effort into this too for the back-and-forth to bear good fruit.

Here is your definition of “Buy-and-Hold:

used to describe the activity of investing in something and then keeping it for a period of time

That’s a good definition.

Now —

What’s wrong with the idea of investing in something and then keeping it for a period of time?

What’s wrong is that this definition says nothing about whether the thing invested in offers a strong long-term value proposition or not!

Warren Buffett holds his investments for a long time. But he sure as shootin’ ain’t no Buy-and-Holder in the way that it is practiced by Lindauer and Greaney and Bogle. Buffett buys things worth buying and holds them. Lindauer and Greaney and Bogle buy stocks when they are garbage and then refuse to consider selling no matter how much holding on to garbage depletes their portfolios.

Huh?

I am not overstating things when I say that stocks were garbage in January 2000, Drip Guy.

The most likely annualized long-term return was a negative 1 percent real. TIPS were at the time offering a positive 4 percent real. That’s a return differential of 5 percentage points per year. For 10 years running. That adds up to a total loss of 50 percent of the initial portfolio size.

You are telling me that this is an acceptable investment strategy? If you truly believe that, you are insane.

This is suicide investing.

There are ten different aspects of the Buy-and-Hold package that are pure gold. As you know, I praise these aspects of the Buy-and-Hold package to the sky all the time.

But the Get RIch Quick aspect is so devastatingly bad that it overpowers all that could be good about Buy-and-Hold.

There is not one person on Planet Earth who benefits from the continuance of this 10-year-long cover-up, Drip Guy. Certainly not any Buy-and-Holders.

The Buy-and-Holders should be dancing in the streets today. They are the ones who came up with the idea of rooting one’s strategies in the academic research. The research has now taught us how to reduce the risk of stock investing by 80 percent while delivering long-term returns far higher than most people ever thought possible. We should today be in the Golden Age of Stock Investing and celebrating the Buy-and-Holders for being the ones to have brought it to us.

Where are we instead? We are living through the worst economic crisis in U.S. history, one caused by Wall Street’s relentless promotion of an investing strategy that was originally intended to be research-backed but which became the opposite of that when research was published showing that the Buy-and-Holders got one thing horribly, horribly wrong and the Buy-and-Holders reacted not by fixing the mistake but by adopting a policy of engaging in defamation and death threats and board bannings and smear campaigns to block any of the millions of middle-class people whose lives are in the process of being ruined by this pure Get Rich Quick garbage from learning what they need to know to salvage what is left of their retirement hopes.

That’s brilliant work, Drip Guy. Congratulations! You’ve turned John Bogle into Bernie Madoff! You’re a true Boglehead through and though!

Heaven help us all.

Rob

Filed Under: From Buy/Hold to VII Tagged With: Bernie Madoff, buy-and-hold, financial crisis, internet goons, investing risk, Investing Strategy, John Bogle

Beyond Buy-and-Hold #78 — The Crisis That Doesn’t Really Concern Anyone All That Much

March 7, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #78 to my weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold column at the Out of Your Rut site. It’s called The Crisis That Doesn’t Really Concern Anyone All That Much.

Juicy Excerpt: If you were sick and went to a doctor for help and he gave you a diagnosis that vague, you would demand better. If we were seriously concerned about the crisis, we would demand better of those offering explanations for what happened. We’re not really that worked up about it just yet. Or maybe we don’t want to hear what we suspect they would come up with if we asked them to make a serious effort.

Filed Under: Beyond Buy-and-Hold Tagged With: financial crisis

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