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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Financial Highway #13 — How Our Ideas on Investing Got on the Wrong Track

September 14, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted my 13th entry in my series of articles on Valuation-Informed Indexing for the Financial Highway site. It’s called How Our Ideas on Investing Got on the Wrong Track.

Juicy Excerpt: The full reality is that our understanding of all areas of life endeavor is achieved in building-block style. We learned a great deal when the Buy-and-Holders showed us that short-term timing doesn’t work. Shiller would probably never have achieved his advances had the Buy-and-Holders not laid the foundation for them with their own breakthroughs.

The Buy-and-Holders think that acknowledging their mistake will cause them to lose “credit” for explaining how stock investing works. I don’t think that’s right. I think that that acknowledgement of the mistake will permit us to take the genuine insights of the Buy-and-Holders to places we have never been able to take them before. I believe that we will someday look back at the day when the Buy-and-Holders acknowledge their error as one of the most important and exciting days in the history of the core Buy-and-Hold project — to learn the truth about how stock investing works.

Filed Under: Financial Highway Column Tagged With: eugene fama, investing theory, Robert Shiller, Value Indexing

VII #109 — The Stock Market Is the Only Market in Which Buyers Cheer Rising Prices

September 11, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #109 to my weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called The Stock Market Is the Only Market in Which Buyers Cheer Rising Prices.

Juicy Excerpt: Say that you were going to buy a used car. And say that you were not willing to spend any time negotiating. You were going to walk onto the lot and pay the price asked for the model you sought. Would you be raped?

You would not be raped. You would overpay. The dealer sets the asking price by assuming that negotiations will follow. So those who can’t be bothered pay more. That’s fair, isn’t it? Negotiating with car dealers is a pain. Those of us who negotiate deserve a price break over those who don’t.

But the overpayment would only be a few thousand dollars. Dealers don’t dare to set asking prices more than a few thousand over what they expect to be the selling price because to do so would drive away potential customers. An asking price that is $10,000 above the expected selling price sends a signal to possible buyers that this dealer is not to be trusted.

It doesn’t work that way with stocks.

Filed Under: VII Column Tagged With: investing theory, stock market

Beyond Buy-and-Hold #87 — Bull Markets Transfer Wealth from One Group of Investors to Another

August 16, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #87 to my weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold column at the Out of Your Rut site. It’s titled Bull Markets Transfer Wealth from One Group of Investors to Another.

Juicy Excerpt: Bull markets do not generate wealth. Bull markets transfer wealth from one group of investors to another. If there were no bull markets, there would be no bear markets. Stocks would at all times offer a return in the neighborhood of the stock return justified by the annual productivity growth of the overall economy — something in the neighborhood of 6.5 percent real. But bull markets transfer huge sums of wealth from one generation of investors to another. To the great detriment of the overall economy.

Filed Under: Beyond Buy-and-Hold Tagged With: Bear Markets, bull markets, investing theory

Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #17 — How Valuation-Informed Indexing Will Reach Its Tipping Point

August 4, 2012 by Rob

Wade says that I “desperately” want to hear researchers and other experts in this field say that the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies need to be corrected. The suggestion is that I place too much importance on this matter. Others have said similar things. My ten-year effort to get the errors in the retirement studies corrected has been referred to as my “obsession.” I have been told that I am on a “crusade.” It has been said that my passion re this matter causes me to suffer “death by verbosity.”

I don’t buy it.

When I gain the right to post honestly on the internet re SWRs and many other critically important investment-related topics, it won’t be only Rob Bennett who gains that right. Robert Shiller (the author of Irrational Exuberance) will gain that right. Vanguard Founder John Bogle will gain that right. William Bernstein (author of The Four Pillars of Investing) will gain that right. And on and on and on.

When I gain the right to post honestly, we ALL gain the right to post honestly. There’s huge leverage in that. We have denied ourselves the right to speak openly and plainly and honestly and realistically about how stock investing works for 30 years now. Behind the scenes, we have achieved huge advances in our understanding of the realities during those three decades. When we give ourselves permission to talk about what we have learned (and thus for the first time to fully understand it — we humans take in knowledge by talking it over), we will shoot ahead at an amazing pace. Can you imagine where we would be today in the electronics field if a law had been passed in 1981 saying that advances in that field had to cease because it would hurt the feelings of the people who didn’t know everything there was to know about electronics in 1974 for us to continue to move ahead? There’s huge leverage to be had by permitting thousands of smart and good people to use their brains again and help us all learn how stock investing really works even when telling that story means pointing out that there was a time decades ago when we didn’t know it all perfectly.

The Buy-and-Holders did something potentially wonderful back in the early 1970s. They developed an investing strategy rooted not in vague and subjective impressions and opinions but in the hard stuff, academic research based on an examination of the historical return data. It’s that breakthrough that has permitted us to make so much progress. There would be no Valuation-Informed Indexing today had it not been for work the Buy-and-Holders did in earlier times arguing that we should research investing questions rather than just offer off-the-cuff subjective opinions about them. What we didn’t see in the early 1970s was how the power of research could be used to hold us back rather than to push us forward. It is the claim that Buy-and-Hold is rooted in research that has made it so influential a strategy. But, because the Buy-and-Holders got it wrong, all that influence has been used to steer investors in the wrong direction. The road out of this economic crisis is to permit the researchers to report honestly and accurately what they learn when they study the data. It’s not putting numbers into tables that is the purpose of investment research. It’s discovering truths about investing that is the purpose. To discover truths, we need to become able to acknowledge errors when we make them.

That’s why this is such a big deal. That’s why I am “desperate” to see the Old School SWR studies corrected. Causing millions of people to suffer failed retirements is a big deal. The Buy-and-Holders want to avoid acknowledging the errors they made in the studies in the worst way. The Old Boys Club has sent down the word — you spill the beans re this one and you’ll never be able to get work in this field again. But what happens if the economic crisis grows so terrible that even people in the investing field begin to feel the need to take action to bring it to an end? I believe that we will then see forward movement. And it won’t be a little bit of forward movement. Valuation-Informed Indexing is close to its Tipping Point as a breakthrough idea. Once we get a few of the big names in this field developing the courage to stand up to the Goons, we will see an avalanche of investing insights. We will as a society experience the benefits of 30 years of insights over the course of about six months of time. It will be something else!

We need to get to that Tipping Point. There’s nothing intellectually we need to do. We have the data that shows that Valuation-Informed Indexing is superior. We have the research that shows that Valuation-Informed Indexing is superior. We have the expert statements showing that Valuation-Informed Indexing is superior. What we need is a means to spread the word to the millions of middle-class investors crying out for a more sensible and effective way to invest. There’s a sense in which we even have that. The internet is a powerful communications medium. We could spread the word quickly if those who knew what works were not afraid of what will be done to their careers if they dare to speak up. And we even have rules in place at all our boards and blogs protecting those people from the brutal tactics of the Buy-and-Hold Goons. We are on the 99-yard line. All we really need today is effective enforcement of the rules that in theory already are in place at the web sites where we need to be spreading the word.

Set forth below are 10 examples of experts who would love to be able to tell the truth about stock investing, if only as a society we were willing to do what we need to do to make them feel safe doing so.

1) I learned about the errors in the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies by reading John Bogle’s book. Bogle explained that Reversion to the Mean is an “Iron Law” of stock investing. If high prices always lead to low prices, the safe withdrawal rate obviously cannot be the same when prices are high as it is when prices are low. Bogle would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing, as revealed by the last 30 years of academic research. We should let him.

2) Years before all of the major publications in this field acknowledged the errors in the Old School studies, one of the Goons asked William Bernstein whether he agreed with my claim that the Old School studies employed an invalid methodology. Bernstein said that “of course” the methodology used was valid but that anyone who was giving thought to making use of one of the Old School studies to plan a retirement would be well-advised to “FuhGedDaBouDit!” The second part of his statement is obviously just a down-to-earth way of saying that the methodology used in the studies was analytically invalid (if a valid methodology had been used, the numbers generated by the studies would not have been so wildly off the mark). Bernstein would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing, as revealed by the last 30 years of academic research. We should let him.

3) Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller described the theory behind the Valuation-Informed Indexing concept in his bestselling book Irrational Exuberance. But Shiller held back from including even one paragraph in the book telling investors how they should invest now that we know that Buy-and-Hold strategies can never work in the long run. Shiller told us why in an interview in which he said that he has never dared to go public with all he knows about how stock investing works because he would be smeared as “unprofessional” if he did so (I have a funny hunch that I might know what investing strategy it would be that would inspire its followers to do something like that). I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that Shiller has already written Irrational Exuberance II, the book that describes what it is that investors need to do now that they know how dangerous it is not to practice long-term timing. Shiller would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing, as revealed by the last 30 years of academic research. We should let him.

4) Philip Taylor is a blogger who organizes the annual Financial Blogger Conferences. I submitted an article on Valuation-Informed Indexing for inclusion in the conference magazine. Phil rejected the article not because he does not see merit in the investing strategy but solely because he knows that bloggers don’t today know enough about the dangers of Buy-and-Hold and the benefits of Valuation-Informed Indexing to appreciate how much they would be helping their readers to lead the transition to the new strategy. He told me: “I assure you, my rejection of your article has nothing to do with my opinion on your particular strategy. I don’t need convincing of anything. Your way is perfect as far as I am concerned. Go preach it to the nations. #FinCon12, though, is not the right pulpit for this topic. The bloggers just don’t care. They have shown time and time again in the surveys that these types of topics are not of interest. Please respect that I know my audience.” Phil is right in what he says about out fellow bloggers. I have experienced this indifference to the new strategy on hundreds of occasions. But what if Bogle and all the others came out with public statements saying that Buy-and-Hold is the past and Valuation-Informed Indexing is the future? Would financial bloggers not be thrilled to lead the effort to get accurate and honest and realistic information about how to invest in stocks out to their readers? The question answers itself. Taylor and all other financial bloggers would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. We should let him.

5) Mike Piper is the author of the Oblivious Investor blog. I had a long talk with him at last year’s Financial Bloggers Conference about the ban on honest posting in place today at his site and in place today at a good number of other sites. Mike told me that “there is nothing I would like more” than to see a lifting of the ban. But Mike has a problem. He permitted honest posting at his site for a time and my daily comments pointing out the dangers of Buy-and-Hold enraged his readers, most of whom follow the Buy-and-Hold strategy. If Mike were to permit honest posting, would he be able to retain his readership? If Bogle and all the others spoke out, he sure could. If Mike were giving honest and accurate and research-supported investing advice, his readership would skyrocket and all those Buy-and-Hold readers who are upset today to read the truth about stock investing would be thrilled to do so. But Mike needs our help. He needs Bogle and lots of others to give him “cover.” Mike would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. We should let him.

6) Financial Planner Michael Kitces wrote at his blog that: “There are time-periods where stocks are a terrible addition to that portfolio. Yet inexplicably, we as planners STILL tend to suggest that it is ‘risky’ to not own stocks when in reality the only material risk is to our business and ability to keep clients, NOT to the clients’ goal.” I think it would be fair to say that Michael very much looks forward to the day when he can tell his clients the truth about stock investing. He has told me in e-mail correspondence that he knows of numerous financial planners who were in the days following the 2008 crash discussing the possibility of starting to let their clients in on some of the stuff that all those who work in this field today know about but dare not give voice to in public comments. Michael would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. We should let him.

7) New York Times Financial Blogger Carl Richards has said of my work: “I have read everything I can about Valuation-Informed Indexing. What you are doing has huge value.” But Carl too banned me from his site. Again the reason was the burning rage that my reports on what the academic research says about stock investing caused in many of his readers, people who were trying to maintain a belief in Buy-and-Hold principles three decades after the research showed that there is precisely zero chance that Buy-and-Hold can ever work in the long term. Carl would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. We should let him.

8) In the wake of the onset of the economic crisis, a federal commission was formed to identify its cause. The effort bore no good fruit. Democrats on the commission blamed the policies of Republicans. Republicans on the commission blamed the policies of Democrats. No one paid any attention to what the commission said because we all hear Democrats yelling at Republicans and Republicans yelling at Democrats on a daily basis. I have a funny hunch that the members of the commission would have loved to have felt free to identify the obvious true cause of the crisis. Stocks were overpriced by $12 trillion in 2000. Even John Bogle, the King of Buy-and-Hold, acknowledges that stock prices always return to fair-value levels after the passage of 10 years or so. Bogle calls this an “Iron Law” of stock investing. So everyone paying attention knew in 2000 that roughly $12 trillion of consumer buying power would be disappearing from our economy by sometime near the end of the first decade of the 21st Century. There’s your economic crisis! The members of the economic crisis commission would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. We should let them.

9) Rajiv Sethie, a Professor of Economics at Columbia University, said of my work: “Rob Bennett makes the claim that market timing based on aggregate PE ratios can be a far more effective strategy. I can see how it could be true.” Rajiv would love to do the research proving it to be so and to win the Nobel prize that would follow from doing so. If he weren’t aware of what was done to Wade Pfau when he did this and what has happened to numerous others in this field who have dared to speak honestly about what the last 30 years of academic research shows us, Rahiv would have done that research a long time ago. If he hadn’t, hundreds of other fine academic researchers would have jumped at the chance to win that Nobel prize. Rajiv and hundreds of other fine academic researchers would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing We should let them.

10) The first two words in the February 2005 e-mail sent to me by Dallas Morning News Columnist Scott Burns in response to my e-mail pointing out the errors in the Old School SWR studies were: “You’re right!” Scott asked me in that e-mail for my telephone number so that he could interview me in preparation for an article letting his readers know of the dangers of following the Old School studies. He thought better of it. Scott later wrote an article pointing out that “some people” believe that the Old School studies are analytically invalid. But he was careful not to let his readers know of his personal viewpoint that these criticism are on the mark. And he was careful not to mention the name of the person who pointed out the errors in the studies to him. And he was careful not to include a link to my Retirement Risk Evaluator calculator (which reports the SWR numbers accurately) in his article. And he was careful to put forward numerous defamatory comments about me to keep himself in the favor of the Lindauerheads and the Greaney Goons. Scott would love to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. We should let him.

We all want to feel free to tell the truth about stock investing. Why wouldn’t we? We all benefit from knowing how stock investing works. And we can only understand things that we feel free to discuss. Permitting honest posting on safe withdrawal rates and many other critically important investment-related topics is a win/win/win/win/win.

So why don’t we do it?

We don’t like to have death threats directed at us. We don’t like to have tens of thousands of acts of defamation directed at us. We don’t like to be banned from the internet sites we frequent. We don’t like to have internet Goons sending defamatory e-mails to our employers in efforts to get us fired from our jobs.

Once even a small number of influential people speak out in opposition to the Campaign of Terror, it’s all over. Buy-and-Hold is no more at that point. Valuation-Informed Indexing is the new dominant model at that point.

The Tipping Point is one price crash away. It is the next price crash that will change things in a way that will permit us to to begin work on bringing about the greatest period of economic growth ever seen in U.S. history. There is a reason why it’s darkest before the dawn. It often takes a whole big bunch of darkness to help the humans work up the courage to do what deep in their hearts they knew for many years very much needed to be done.

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: academic research, investing theory, Rob Bennett, the future of investing, Value Indexing, Wade Pfau

“Had Shiller Published His Research 20 Years Earlier, There Never Would Have Been Any Buy-and-Hold”

February 22, 2011 by Rob

Set forth below are some words that I posted to the discussion thread for the blog entry titled Wade Pfau: “This Paper…Suggests that the Traditional Approach to Retirement Planning Is Counterproductive and Possibly Damaging.” The words put forward by Wade to which I was responding are in italics.

My null hypothesis is that valuations-based investing is not useful, and now I’m seeking to determine if I can find sufficient evidence to reject this null hypothesis with sufficient confidence.

You are putting your finger on the entire reason for the “controversy” with these words, Wade.

How the heck did Buy-and-Hold (the alternative to Valuation-Informed Indexing) ever become your null hypotheses? There has never been a sliver of data supporting Buy-and-Hold. And the idea that price matters with everything but stocks defies common sense.

Buy-and-Hold was a MISTAKE, Wade. There was never any data supporting it. There was never any logic supporting it. It was just a mistake. Had Shiller published his research 20 years earlier, there never would have been any Buy-and-Hold.

People did some research showing that short-term timing doesn’t work and JUMPED TO THE CONCLUSION that long-term timing doesn’t work either. They just failed to distinguish between the two. There has never been any indication that long-term timing might not work. The idea is revealed as silly, if you think about it for a few moments.

All of the research shows that short-term timing never works and that long-term timing always works. It is more true to say “Timing Always Works” than it is to say “Timing Never Works.” (The better thing to do is to distinguish between the two.)

For Buy-and-Hold to become the null hypothesis, someone should have had to present either a logical argument or some historical data in support of it. No one has ever done so.

The null hypothesis should be that price matters when buying stocks, just as it does when buying anything else. It is the Buy-and-Holders making the fantastic claim. They should be required to present something in support of their fantastic claim before declaring it the null hypothesis.

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: buy-and-hold is dead, investing theory, null hypothesis, Wade Pfau

What If Everything You Thought You Knew About Stock Investing Turned Out to Be Wrong?

November 22, 2010 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #30 for my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called What If Everything You Thought You Knew About Stock Investing Turned Out to Be Wrong?

Juicy Excerpt: No one else is saying that. No one else is saying anything even close to that. So this is a big deal. If that claim holds up, this is the biggest advance in our understanding of how stock investing works in history, no? I am saying here that price drops are a good thing and that price increases are a bad thing. I am turning the conventional understanding of how stock investing works on its head.

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: investing theory

VII#13 — Volatility Is Optional

October 26, 2010 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #13 to my weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called Volatility Is Optional.

Juicy Excerpt: There was a time when there were no cars or phones or electricity or computers. It was because we learned stuff that we were able to bring these life-changing inventions into being. Could it be that we are in the process of learning things about investing that will someday permit us to look at price volatility as a thing of the past? That’s what I think.

Filed Under: VII Column Tagged With: investing theory, stock price volatility

VII #12: Stock Crashes Are Impossible — It’s a Good Thing Too Given How Often They Turn Up!

October 25, 2010 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #12 to my weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called Stock Crashes Are Impossible — It’s a Good Thing Too Given How Often They Turn Up!

Juicy Excerpt: Famed Asset Allocation Strategist Paul McCartney explored how emotion swings can evidence themselves in stock price changes in his song “Yesterday.” He explained that: “Why she had to go, I don’t know, she wouldn’t say. I said something wrong…”

McCartney gets it. The young lady in question probably could not herself give a fully logical reason why she one day “had to go.” It’s not something that hit her all at once. She no doubt had been mulling the matter over for some time. But she knew that leaving was a big step. So she pushed those thoughts out of her mind as long as she could. Eventually, though, things reached a point where she could push them out of her mind no longer. At that point she “suddenly” changed her mind.

Filed Under: VII Column Tagged With: investing theory, stock crashes

“It’s Not Any More Possible to Out-Guess a Lunatic Than It Is to Out-Guess a Genius”

September 5, 2010 by Rob

Recent blog entries have reported on correspondence between a community member named “Larry” and me. Set forth below is the text of an e-mail that I sent to Larry on November 12, 2009.

Larry:

I’m certainly going to look closely at your chart. I’m excited about it.

Just to be clear, we are in complete agreement re the negative reaction that is generated by making claims that timing is a good thing. There are many smart and well-intentioned people who respond as you did. And the reason why they respond that way is rooted in something positive.

Most middle-class people are looking for a way to invest that avoids all the nonsense. The word “timing” is evocative of the nonsense (jumping in and out of stocks each time a new development hits the news). People are looking for something real and the word “timing” evokes all that is phony about investing advice and so they respond negatively to it. That’s a good thing so far as it goes because it suggests that people are open to hearing good ideas that make sense and that work in the long run.

I am today convinced that all of the trouble we have seen has its roots in one grand mistake made by the academics back in the 1960. They saw that short-term timing didn’t work and they felt the need to develop a theory to explain that reality. To understand what happened, you have to put yourself in their shoes and realize how counter-intuitive a reality it was.

Through all of history, people had been trying to employ their intelligence to figure out when to buy stocks and when not to do so. It wouldn’t be overstating things too much to say that the entire investing project was viewed as how best to go about timing the market. And now they had research that showed that timing didn’t work! It was a startling finding and one that simply had to be explained.

There are two possible explanations. One is that the market does such a good job of setting prices that it is impossible for anyone, no matter how smart, to do better. The second is that the market does such a poor job of setting prices in the short term that knowledge is no help in figuring out where prices are going in the short term.

It’s not any more possible to out-guess a lunatic than it is to out-guess a genius. For different reasons. The reason why you cannot out-guess a genius is that he is smarter more than you. The reason why you cannot outguess a lunatic is that his choices defy logic and thus his moves cannot be effectively predicted through the use of logic.

The academics GUESSED that the first explanation was the one that applied. The idea that the market is good at setting prices is the Efficient Market Theory. All of today’s conventional investing wisdom follows from this incorrect guess.

What the data shows is that the reason why short-term timing does not work is that the market is so POOR at setting short-term prices. In the short-term, any connection between the market price and true value is pure coincidence. The market is bonkers in the short term. The price can go to three times fair value or to one-half fair value. The market is the OPPOSITE of efficient in the short-term.

Of course the market IS efficient in the long-term. In five years, a little bit. In 10 years, a good bit. In 20 years, almost entirely. There IS an efficient market. But the market is only GRADUALLY efficient, NOT immediately efficient.

That one error caused all of the strategic recommendations that followed from use of the dominant model to be 100 percent the opposite of what works. If the market does a good job of setting prices, you want to put your trust in the market. If the market is nutso re setting price, you want to come to an independent assessment of fair value (through use of a P/E10 adjustment).

That’s it. That’s the entire problem. The academics took a wrong turn early on and they have never since been willing to retrace their steps. So we keep walking into more and more dangerous territory.

My goal is to get that mistake acknowledged and corrected. Once that is done, there is no problem whatsoever. There will be thousands of people generating good research and good analysis and so on. Things will just naturally get better and better and better.

The hurdle is getting that mistake acknowledged. I think people are afraid to admit the mistake because it is the cornerstone of 30 years of work and they fear tearing everything down at this point. But I see no practical alternative means to getting to a good place. Everything that followed from that big mistake (and that’s just about everything that we “know” about investing today) is wrong. We learn by acknowledging mistakes.

I don’t believe that there is a way around acknowledging the mistake.

The reason why I advocate timing is that I want to steer people toward dealing with this aspect of things. I want to develop a consensus that the old model is broken and that an entirely new model is needed. There is only one difference between the two models. The old model says that timing is impossible and the new model says that timing is required. That one change makes an awfully big difference in the ultimate treatment of hundreds of strategic questions (including asset allocation, to be sure).

We are in complete agreement that this is an asset allocation question. I am saying that it is a lot bigger than that.

It is not just our understanding of how to set our allocations that is wrong. Our entire model for understanding how the market works is wrong. The market is the OPPOSITE of efficient. Think what that means.

I’ll give one example of what I am getting at. Bogle says to tune out the short-term noise. Few of Bogle’s followers really manage to do that. You know why? Because Bogle is saying that the market is setting prices properly. That means that the market’s reaction to events really is of significance and can hardly be ignored by those with money in the market.

I am saying the opposite. I am saying that the market price is pure nonsense in the short term; it is meaningless, insignificant. If people came to believe that, it seems to me that people really could come to tune out the short-term noise in a real and practical way.

Do you see the difference?

It is either true that the market is smarter than the smartest investor alive or that the market is dumber than a bag of rocks. It’s got to be one or the other for short-term timing not to work. It makes a huge difference which of these two things is true. The entire historical record says that the market is dumber than a bag of rocks in the short term and BECOMES smart only after the passage of about 10 years.

I don’t care about the semantics. But I am looking to do more than give people tools for setting their stock allocations. I want people to come to understand how the market works. Once we come to agreement on that, there is no limit to where we can take all this. We have to get it right, of course. What I can say after seven years is that thousands of smart people have tried to find holes in the Rational take and not one has yet been able to come up with any reasoned arguments. I think that’s significant and I want to take this to a bigger stage to see if having more know about it would cause anyone to come up with anything.

If no one is ever able to come up with anything, I think it makes sense to accept what the data says is so as being so: The market is the OPPOSITE of efficient in the short term and always in the process of BECOMING efficient (a process that reaches meaningful fruition at about 10 years).

Rob

Filed Under: Larry Evans and VII Tagged With: efficient market theory, investing theory

VII #4 — The Stock Market Functions Unlike Any Other Market

August 25, 2010 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #4 in my Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called The Stock Market Functions Unlike Any Other Market.

Juicy Excerpt: Fama was onto something huge when he developed the Efficient Market Theory. The theory is almost valid. He just tragically left out a link in the logic chain. The stock market functions unlike any other market. You cannot use the nominal market price as something real because it is not the product of a negotiation process for all the shares outstanding at a given time. You also need to consider the playing-around factor, the extent to which investors of the day have elected to make themselves feel good (or bad) about their financial circumstances by assigning a temporary price to stocks higher (or lower) than the one that would apply if the number were determined by making reference to real financial transactions.

Fama made a mistake and then Malkiel copied his mistake and then Bogle copied the mistakes of Malkiel and Fama. We are today as a result in a big mess. The idea of rationalizing the investing project was a wonderful one. But when you get a foundational point wrong,the analytical errors must be corrected or else all of the strategic recommendations developed from following the implications of the invalid foundational point will be in error.

Filed Under: VII Column Tagged With: how markets work, investing theory, stock market

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