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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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ITNR #112 — Professor Abandons Breakthrough Research Following Threats by Buy-and-Holders

August 14, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #112 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s titled Professor Abandons Breakthrough Research Following Threats by Buy-and-Holders.

Juicy Excerpt: Wade found that everything that John and I had discovered together checked out. Valuation-Informed Indexing is far superior to Buy-and-Hold, according to the 140 years of return data available to us today. Wade’s research (now published in peer-reviewed journals) showed that Valuation-Informed Indexing provided higher returns than Buy-and-Hold at reduced risk for 102 of the 110 rolling 30-year time periods now in the historical record.

Forget for a moment that you are a normal human being. Assume that you are a Buy-and-Hold Goon desperate to keep people from learning the realities of stock investing. What would you do at this point?

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: buy-and-hold, investment research, Value Indexing, Wade Pfau

ITNR #109 — The Research Topic No One Dares to Touch

August 12, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #109 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s titled The Research Topic No One Dares to Touch.

Juicy Excerpt: Why did no one think to do what Wade did long before he did it? Thousands of people have been saying for years now that market timing doesn’t work. Why did no one think to check? That’s the usual practice of researchers, isn’t it? When you want to know something and you don’t, you check the data. Why is it that for all these years no one thought to do that?

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: investment research

Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #8 — What Caused Good Guy Wade to Do Such a Horribly Bad Thing?

July 26, 2012 by Rob

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau is a good guy. I told you that story in Response #1.

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau has done a horribly bad thing in switching over to the Goon side. He has empowered the Goons. He has extended the economic crisis. He has delayed the correction of the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies. He has caused even more harm to come to the reputations of the Buy-and-Holders when we all should be working to rebuild the reputations of our Buy-and-Hold friends by getting those darn Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies corrected and making it possible for people of intelligence and integrity to make a living in the investment advice field once again.

What happened?

Why do bad decisions get made by good academic researchers?

This is an investing question. During the Buy-and-Hold Era, it has become common practice to view effective investment as a numbers exercise. It’s all about wrestling with tables and charts and data. No. That’s the mistake. The academic research of the past 30 years shows that 80 percent of the risk of stock investing lies in the temptation we all feel to fall under the spell of Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick strategies. No one purposely destroys his or her hopes for a successful retirement. We mess up because Get Rich Quick calls out to us and our friends in The Stock-Selling Industry have learned over the years that there is an awful lot of money to be made by advising us to answer the call. Valuation-Informed Indexing is what works. But Buy-and-Hold is what sells. Compare John Bogle’s bank book to mine if you have any doubts. There is a good reason why the people who sell stocks for a living love Buy-and-Hold so much.

But The Stock-Selling Industry is far from the only industry that stretches the truth a wee bit to sell us junk. The car dealerships would tell us that cars are worth buying at any price if they thought they could get away with it. The fashion designers would tell us that clothes are worth buying at any price if they thought they could get away with it. The toy companies would tell us that toys are worth buying at any price if they thought they could get away with it.

It’s not just that The Stock-Selling Industry tricks us. It’s that we want to be tricked!

And it’s not just Wade Pfau who has compromised himself in response to enormous pressures to do so. Just about everyone in this field has done that to some extent (I knew that the Old School SWR studies got the numbers wrong when I put forward my first post to the Motley Fool board in May 1999 but I didn’t tell my friends what I knew until the morning of May 13, 2002 — that’s financial fraud!). It is the social pressure to not point out the dangers of Get Rich Quick schemes and the human inclination to respond to social pressures that makes stock investing risky. When we figure out why Wade Pfau (and many, many, many others) did what he did, we have come to understand the true nature of investing risk and have at least begun an effort to avoid investing risk in the future.

I’ve come up with ten reasons for why Wade did what he did.

Reason One is that there was money to be made. This is the obvious one. Wade has seen lots of links to his site since he flipped. He has seen job offers come his way since he flipped. He has seen the Goons agree to leave him alone since the flip. All those things have put money in Wade’s pockets. I need to include this one on the list because it obviously was a factor. I think it is a mistake to make too much of it. We are all a little corrupt. I have never seen any signs that Wade Pfau is more corrupt than the average bear. In other circumstances, the average bear doesn’t do what Wade Pfau did. So we know there are other factors are work here. Sure, Wade likes money. Who doesn’t? In ordinary circumstances, he would have put his reputation for personal integrity above his financial concerns. There is precisely zero evidence indicating otherwise.

Reason Two is that Wade wants people to like him. We want academic researchers telling us the truth about stock investing. We don’t want them saying whatever they need to say to be popular. But we need to accept that academic researchers are not robots. They are people. They want to be liked. We humans hate with a burning passion those who tell us the truth about stock investing at times when stocks are insanely overpriced. So long as that remains true, using the academic research as our guide to how to invest is not going to work out so hot. The best trained and smartest researchers in the world won’t tell us the truth if we make clear to them that we will hate them for doing so. There is no one alive on Planet Earth who has taken a firmer stand about telling the truth re stock investing than Old Farmer Hocus. I gained 60 pounds as a result of the extra chocolate-chip cookies I ate to soothe the pain I felt from the endless storm of rage directed at me by the Goons (I’ve lost 20 of those 60 pounds in recent months). Maybe Mrs. Pfau doesn’t like fat boys. Maybe Wade feels that he just cannot afford to take the path that Old Farmer Hocus has taken. None of us want to be hated. If we want to obtain better investing advice from the experts in this field, we had better start giving some thought to not directing so much hate to those who dare to “cross” us by telling the truth re what the data says.

Reason Three is that Wade wants to do good work. What a horrible man that Wade Pfau is — he wants to accomplish good things in this world! Wade has spent years developing the skills that made him a researcher capable of doing research worthy of a Nobel prize. He naturally doesn’t want to waste that talent. He knows what has happened to me. It was because he recognized the great power of my work in this field that he sought to establish a relationship with me and learn more about my ideas. I think it would be fair to say that he noticed early on that my web site is, as one visitor told me in an e-mail, “the best kept secret on the internet.” Wade doesn’t want his investing insights to be kept secret. He wants his stuff out there, influencing lots of people for the good. I think this is the biggest factor. I believe that Wade’s desire to leave a positive mark on the world counted for a lot more in his decision than did the dollar bills that he knew would be coming his way if he agreed to compromise himself. We all want to do useful work. If our free market system is to survive, we are going to need to find a way to make it possible for people to do good work in this field without compromising their personal integrity.

Reason Four is that Wade wants the Goons off his back. The Lindauerheads and the Greaney Goons are vile. If you don’t know what I am talking about, please spend ten seconds reviewing Greaney’s site (please be sure to wear protective clothing). It’s obviously no big deal that there are vile people posting vile stuff on the internet. We all know about that unfortunate reality of modern life. The point here is that the way we handle the vile stuff in the investing field is very, very different from the way we handle the vile stuff when we see it appear before us in all other areas of human endeavor. In all other areas of human endeavor, we protect the people making positive contributions from the reach of the Internet Sewer Rats. John Bogle knows about the Goons. I sent him two e-mails asking for his help with the Lindauer matter. He hasn’t responded. Wade knows that. Wade sent me an e-mail once when he saw the Goons put up a string of abusive posts at the Early Retirement Forum on a thread discussing his research. He understands that, when the Goons smear you with feces, it takes a long time for the smell to wear off. If it weren’t for the 30 years of academic research showing that Buy-and-Hold can never work in the long run, we would still know how dangerous it is just by observing the behavior it has prompted among the Goons and our tolerance of that behavior for ten years now. Wade wants to stay clean. That’s a big part of the explanation of why he is no longer willing to state plainly and clearly and firmly what his research shows about how stock investing works in the real world.

Reason Five is that Wade does not fully understand Valuation-Informed Indexing. Wade gets it that investors who make the shift from Buy-and-Hold to Valuation-Informed Indexing greatly increase their returns by doing so while also greatly reducing their risk. That can be shown with numbers and Wade is a magician with the numbers. There are many other elements of the new model that he does not yet fully understand. I know this because of things he said to me. For example, he once expressed uncertainty as to whether the continued promoted of Buy-and-Hold will cause another price crash. He doesn’t rule out the possibility. He gets it that on all earlier occasions on which Buy-and-Hold became popular, we saw multiple crashes that eventually brought stock prices down to one-half of their fair-value level. The part he doesn’t yet fully grasp is why.

I’m not making a dig in saying this. It took me years to grasp this stuff (and I’m still learning something new nearly every week). It took John Walter Russell years to grasp this stuff. It’s not intellectually hard. It’s just that Valuation-Informed Indexing is rooted in very different premises than Buy-and-Hold and it takes some time to get used to thinking with the new mindset. Because Wade does not get it all, he does not feel comfortable placing all his chips on a VII bet. I believe that he feels that he is hedging his bets by first posting research showing the superiority of VII and then shifting his positions to make them more acceptable to Buy-and-Holders. If he grasped how imperative it is that as a society we begin making the shift to VII, he wouldn’t give two seconds thought to the idea of promoting Buy-and-Hold no matter how much money he would earn by doing so. But he doesn’t see the full extent of the peril our economy is in today or appreciate fully how the promotion of Buy-and-Hold caused the problem and how the promotion of Valuation-Informed Indexing would overcome the problem.

Reason Six is that Wade has friends who have promoted Buy-and-Hold strategies. One of the reasons why ordinary investors get sucked into trying out Buy-and-Hold strategies despite their horrible track record is that we humans are not logic-processing machines. We make many decisions by checking out what our friends do and doing likewise ourselves. That’s why celebrity endorsements are a regular feature of television commercials. The way to persuade people of the merit of something is not to hit them with facts and data. It it to let them see that people they like have checked out the product or service or investing strategy and found it promising. There’s something in our minds that tell us “if lots of other good people like this, it’s probably at least okay.”

Wade obviously has friends in The Stock-Selling Industry or at least among other academic researchers who do investing research. We live in the Buy-and-Hold Era. So those friends have either endorsed Buy-and-Hold strategies or published Buy-and-Hold research. Wade’s brain is telling him that, if these other good people find Buy-and-Hold acceptable, he should too. Wade is a human. That’s how the humans operate.

Reason Seven is that Buy-and-Hold has never been permanently defeated in the past. Say that Wade has learned enough from his research to be able to resist the social pressures to believe that Buy-and-Hold is at least an acceptable strategy. Say that he believes that it really is going to bring us to the Second Great Depression. My sense is that he is not convinced of that (my sense is also that he does not dismiss the possibility out of hand). But let’s assume for purposes of discussion that this is the case. In those circumstances, would be be willing to become as much of an evangelist for Valuation-Informed Indexing as I have become?

Not necessarily.

To become an evangelist, he would need to believe two things: (1) that Buy-and-Hold is very bad and that Valuation-Informed Indexing is very good; and (2) that it is at least possible that Buy-and-Hold will be replaced by Valuation-Informed Indexing. My sense is that Wade does not believe that Buy-and-Hold will be replaced by Valuation-Informed Indexing.

Buy-and-Hold has caused four economic crises over the past 140 years. It wiped out a lot of investor portfolios the first time and then came back into popularity a few decades later. It wiped out a lot of investor profiles and then came back into popularity a few decades later. It wiped out a lot of investor portfolios the third time and then came back into popularity a few decades later. If Wade believes that on the fourth time it became popular Buy-and-Hold is going to wipe out a lot of investor portfolios and then come back into popularity a few decades later, should he position himself as a harsh critic of Buy-and-Hold? Not if he wants to continue working as an academic researcher in the investing field. Unless Buy-and-Hold is buried 30 feet in the ground, where it can do no further harm to humans and other living things, it will return to destroy many more investor portfolios a few decades from today.

I think this is the end for Buy-and-Hold. I think the Buy-and-Holders are sincere in believing that one should root one’s investing strategies in the academic research and that, once they see what Buy-and-Hold always eventually produces in the real world, they are going to take a serious look at the 30 years of academic research showing why a Buy-and-Hold strategy can never work in the long run. The Buy-and-Holders are not our enemies. Valuation-Informed Indexing is the first true research-backed strategy and the Buy-and-Holders really do believe in using the research as a guide. So this time is different. When Buy-and-Hold fails this time, it fails for good. Once we fix the mistake that the Buy-and-Holders made in the early 1970s, when all the research was not yet available, there will be no reason for anyone to return to a belief in Buy-and-Hold a few decades down the line. All of the textbooks and all of the research and all of the web sites will be singing the praises of Valuation-Informed Indexing as loudly as today they sing the praises of Buy-and-Hold.

So says I. But the future world I am describing here has never yet existed in the flesh-and-blood world. I have reasons for believing that things will turn out as I say but perhaps those reasons do not seem as persuasive to Wade or perhaps he has not spent as much time contemplating the possibilities and has just fallen into an assumption that Buy-and-Hold will recover this time much as it always has in the past. This investing research gig is his life. He has put a lot of effort and time into developing his career. He doesn’t want to blow it all because of what some crazy guy on the internet says is going to happen. These are not entirely unreasonable considerations for him to ponder.

Reason Eight is that Wade does not want to appear extreme. Extremism is bad. Pretty much all reasonable humans agree. Wade acknowledges that there is a ton of evidence that Valuation-Informed Indexing beats Buy-and-Hold. Wade acknowledges that valuations affect long-term returns. Wade acknowledges that the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies get the numbers wildly wrong. Isn’t that enough?

I don’t think it is enough. I think our perception of what is extreme goes totally haywire in a runaway bull market. A stock allocation of 80 percent was insane at the top of the bull. But lots of otherwise smart and good people were saying it was not out of line at the time. Bull markets mess with our ability to process information rationally. The extreme comes to be seen as non-extreme and the non-extreme comes to be seen as extreme.

There’s nothing extreme about Valuation-Informed Indexing. It is the most emotionally balanced investing strategy that exists. It is the first strategy that is truly rooted in the academic research. But for so long as prices remain high (the P/E10 value is far above fair-value levels today), the non-extreme Valuation-Informed Indexing is going to be perceived by many as more extreme than the very extreme Buy-and-Hold.

Wade does not think of himself as an extremist. He has a hard time placing himself firmly on the VII side of the line when the battles between Buy-and-Hold and VII are waged about him.

Reason Nine is that Wade believes a softer version of VII can work. Wade has never said that the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies are analytically valid. He doesn’t believe that. What he has tried to do is to incorporate the effects of valuations into his research without saying that Buy-and-Hold is dangerous or wrong. The Buy-and-Holders can live with that. The Goons tell me all the time that it is not what I say that inflames them but the way I say it. What they mean is that I say that the Old School SWR studies get the numbers wrong. They hate that. They hate, hate, hate, hate, hate it. The Buy-and-Holders believe in the power of numbers. They see themselves as the kinds of people who make a big deal out of getting the numbers right. They don’t want to hear that they got such important numbers wrong. It hurts too much even to consider the possibility.

Wade is trying to get good information out to the readers of his research without inflaming the Buy-and-Holders. If he were writing this article, he would add the word “needlessly.” He would say that he is trying to get good information out to the readers of his research without needlessly inflaming the Buy-and-Holders.

I believe that we must inflame the Buy-and-Holders. I don’t like it. I see their pain. But the only way I see to relieve them of that pain is to confront them with the truth and help them to cope with it and move on. I believe that we will continue spinning our wheels re the economic crisis until we do that.

My sense is that Wade does not agree with me re this point. He sees a softer way to help people understand the effect of valuations and that’s the approach he wants to employ with his future work.

Reason Ten is that Wade is more comfortable working with numbers than with emotions. Most of today’s researchers are numbers people. The numbers support Valuation-Informed Indexing. So it is entirely possible for a numbers guy like Wade to make a strong case for the superiority of Valuation-Informed Indexing. Ultimately, however, Valuation-Informed Indexing is a strategy rooted in an understanding of the emotional realities of stock investing. We don’t cite numbers for the sake of citing numbers. We cite numbers to warn ourselves when our emotions have gotten out of control and to know when to make adjustments in our stock allocations to get things back on track.

My sense is that Wade is out of his element when the discussion turns from numbers to emotions. He is a numbers wiz. Working the numbers makes him feel highly competent. He feels less skilled when the discussion turns to emotions. He was excited to see that the numbers support Valuation-Informed Indexing and so he worked hard to make the numbers case for the new strategy. But he would feel more comfortable seeing other researchers take the lead on the many emotions-rooted research questions that need to be explored in coming days to make the case complete and even more convincing. The emotions thing is not Wade’s thing, at least not to the extent that the numbers thing is Wade’s thing.

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investment research, Investor Psychology, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #1 — Wade Pfau Is a Smart and Brave and Generous Man Who Has Published Research Worthy of a Nobel Prize

July 19, 2012 by Rob

I get sick of hearing myself say bad stuff about my friend Wade Pfau. So, for this post, I am taking a break from that stuff and focusing on the other side of the story. This one should be easy to write.

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau is smart. He’s hard-working. He’s brave. He’s generous. He’s kind. He is a super guy.

I say Wade is smart because he recognized the power of Valuation-Informed Indexing soon after we began our e-mail correspondence in December 2010. Actually, he recognized it before that. Wade learned about me by reading my posts at the Vanguard Diehards board and at some other places. Goons were attacking me relentlessly at those places. A lot of people fell for their b.s. Wade did not. He saw through it. He knew that I was onto something and he wanted to know more. And, after we talked things over a bit, he knew what to do with the insights he picked up. He developed research proving the superiority of Valuation-Informed Indexing over Buy-and-Hold in record time.

Wade LOVED talking this stuff over. He loves his work. He is good at it. He helps people. We need more people in this world who are as good at what they do as is Wade.

Wade is ambitious. This is the first thing I said to my wife about him when he contacted me and we got to know each other a bit. I mean this 100 percent in a good way (there is a good way to be ambitious and a bad way to be ambitious — Wade is ambitious in the good way). I am ambitious. I like people who are ambitious. I have had other people show interest in my work and then see their efforts not go anywhere because they did not push hard enough. I could tell from the start that Wade was going to push if he discovered reasons to do so. There are lots of obstacles that hold back positive initiatives. We need ambitious people to break through to the other side. Wade has done that and has helped us all by having what it takes to push past obstacles.

Wade is generous. He made it a practice from my first contact with him to thank all the people who helped him with his research. I never insisted that Wade acknowledge me in his research papers. I never even asked that he do so. He ALWAYS did so.

Wade also always thanked the Bogleheads Forum community in his research. That was a super thing to do. What we most need to do is to heal the rift that has developed between Buy-and-Holders and Valuation-Informed Indexers. We are all on the same side. We all want the same things. We all believe in research-based investing strategies. Wade’s policy of thanking people on “both sides” was a great way to heal wounds. It didn’t totally achieve its intended goal. But that’s not Wade’s fault. He did his part. It SHOULD have worked. It was a smart initiative.

Wade is kind. He has said some nasty things about me in recent days (I understand that it is his view that I have said some nasty things about him). I do not believe that he ever enjoys saying those things. He wants to be friends. He does not like conflict. He didn’t go into this field to engage in battles. He wants to do his research, see it help people, and go on with his life. This is 100 percent understandable and healthy. He did nothing to create the unfortunate set of circumstances in which he has found himself.

Wade’s research is going to win a Nobel prize. I don’t know when. I hope soon. The sooner this happens, the better things will go for all of us. Few people appreciate today how important Wade’s research is. My sense is that even Wade does not fully appreciate this. His understanding of what he has done will grow over time. So will the understanding of lots of others. Lots of people who today don’t give Wade the credit he merits will one day look back embarrassed at what they overlooked when they first came across his research.

Wade is brave. I have been trying for years to get people in this field to write to the authors of the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies and DEMAND (not just ask for!) corrections. Wade was the first to actually do this. I haven’t seen the text of his e-mail. I am sure he was 100 percent polite. He probably asked rather than demanded. Fine. He’s the first person in this field to do anything along these lines. That took guts. That made a difference (it scared the Goons out of their pants, that much is for sure!).

I am proud to be able to call Wade a friend. I much enjoyed our friendship and learned much from it. I will always look back at the 16 months of our e-mail correspondence with fondness and with a good feeling about what can be accomplished in a short amount of time when the internet is used for its potential to help people with mutual interests in doing important and good work to connect with each other.

Wade Pfau is a super guy who has done super work. That is written in the books and can never be changed.

Don’t forget! If you ever do, you’ll have Old Farmer Hocus to answer to!

 

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investment research, retirement planning, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau’s Responses to My Reporting on Our 16 Months of E-Mail Correspondence

July 18, 2012 by Rob

The purpose of this blog entry is to set forward in one place links to the responses that Academic Researcher Wade Pfau has made to my reporting on our 16 months of e-mail correspondence.

1) Wade’s first response came when I told him of my plans to report on our e-mail correspondence. He said of this e-mail at a later date: ““About that first email I sent you in our exchange, please under no circumstances try to summarize or excerpt from it. If you must use it, please include the entire message with nothing left out. I think that is only fair, because you will then have free reign for your rebuttal, and I won’t be around for further rebuttals to that.”

Juicy Excerpt: “I don’t have any hard feelings toward you, but it is hard to have public communications with you after all the attacks you made toward me at your blog following the Bill Bengen incident. You strongly misinterpreted what I wrote at your blog and attacked me so thoroughly, and that makes it hard to see any paths forward in communicating with you publicly.”

2) Wade’s second response came in the form of a post to his blog. In this blog, he praised John Greaney, the leader of the Goons, as the hero of our ten years of discussions on safe withdrawal rates.

Juicy Excerpt:  “Rob desperately wants someone besides him to say that the Trinity study needs to be “corrected,” but I’ve explained that this isn’t how research works. Rather, new studies with new methodologies come to replace old studies. This is a case, however, in which old studies were already available to suggest that we shouldn’t project the findings of the Trinity study forward to future retirees.”

3) Wade’s third response came in a comment to one of my blog posts reporting on our e-mail correspondence. I refrained from responding at the time on the thinking that it was more fair to let Wade have the floor to himself for at least that one blog post.

Juicy Excerpt: “You shouldn’t have posted my private emails. That is so unethical. And it really doesn’t help to build you up. Posting my outdated private emails will only give second thoughts to anyone in the future who might have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.”

4) Wade’s fourth response came in a comment to another of the blog posts reporting on our e-mail correspondence. In this case, I set forth my responses in comments that followed his comment.

Juicy Excerpt: “If I *did* lack personal integrity, I could have made this all stop just by saying the meaningless sentence you want so desperately to hear: “I think the errors in the traditional safe withdrawal rate studies must be corrected by using Rob’s analytically valid method.” But I don’t believe that.”

5) Arty, a long-time contributor of comments to my blog (and a mighty fine one!), offered a comment that I think can fairly be said to express Wade’s views. I suggest that those looking to understand Wade’s take re all this consider giving Arty’s comment a look. I responded to Arty’s comment at the blog.

Juicy Excerpt: “Speaking only from a human point of view, if Wade requested you not share personal correspondence, I hope you can find a way to honor his request for those things he wishes to remain between the two of you only…. we can discuss his work—as it should be on its own merits— without the private communications.”

I will be advancing my responses to a number of points raised by Wade (and Arty) in blog entries that I will post in coming days.

Addendum:  Wade posted a sixth presentation of his take on things in a comment made to a blog entry in which I reported on an article on my work that appeared at the The Big Picture blog. My take on the points raised by Wade’s comment follow as additional comments to that blog post.

Juicy Excerpt: Congrats Rob, It’s your finest hour. I hope you can learn a lesson from this. The blogger completely bypassed ‘the Wade Pfau story’ and wrote solely about the underlying investment ideas. In this regard, I’m glad to see his post. Your 1,000 email campaign probably would have been a lot more effective had you stuck to the issues that the blogger discussed, rather than turning it into a personal vendetta against me. No one likes to see a negative campaign.

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investment research, John Greaney, Mel Lindauer, Rob Bennett, SWRs, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “I Am a Bit Disappointed With the Defensive Tone. I Am Extremely Uncomfortable With the Idea That No Shift At All Is Required. I View That Take As a Dangerously Irresponsible One. I Hear a Certain Amount of Apologizing for Bringing the Subject Up in Your Paper.”

June 30, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on December 10, 2011. I sent a follow-up e-mail the same day.

Wade:

The valuations paper is certainly a step forward. So little work has been done in this area that each new study helps people become more comfortable with the idea of considering valuations.

I was a bit disappointed with the defensive tone. There is no question but that the conventional view is that there is no need to justify Buy-and-Hold strategies, that there is some sort of magic to accepting the idea of making no allocation shifts as a reasonable default. I have never heard anyone justify this position. So I don’t buy it. My view is that an investor must make a choice as to his allocation and that staying at the same allocation at all times is just another choice (one that I personally find intellectually indefensible). I don’t have dogmatic views as to how much of an allocation shift is appropriate in different circumstances. But I am extremely uncomfortable with the idea that no shift at all is required; I view that take as a dangerously irresponsible one. I hear a certain amount of apologizing for bringing the subject up in your paper. Perhaps that is politically smart. But I worry that it allows the dominant “Buy-and-Hold is fine” view to remain dominant
a bit longer.

According to my calculator, the SWR varies from 2 percent to 9 percent. Who are we helping if we suggest that it is acceptable to say that it is always 4 percent? (I understand that you are not saying that directly but I feel that it is an implication that follows from any suggestion that Buy-and-Hold is a reasonable strategy). I don’t object to people defending Buy-and-Hold on grounds that the market really is efficient. That follows intellectually. But I believe that we need to get about the business of settling the question of whether the market is efficient or not and from that point forward accept that research that fails to adjust for the effect of valuations is analytically invalid and must be corrected. It’s too dangerous to leave the question open indefinitely.
If we don’t even know whether valuations have an effect or not, we really are at so primitive a stage of understanding that I question whether we should be calling the analyses we perform “research.” To leave so basic a question unresolved is cowardly, in my assessment (I don’t mean to aim that word at you in particular but at all who work in this field, including journalists as well as researchers).

All that said, there’s a place in the world for a multitude of viewpoints and a multitude of approaches, It could be that your approach will prove to be more influential than mine. Perhaps my experiences have biased me. So I certainly wish you the best of luck with it and i hope the paper generates more discussions coming at the question from a variety of perspectives.

Rob

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: buy-and-hold, financial crisis, investment research, Wade Pfau, Wall Street corruption

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “If I Can Think of Things That I Can Do To Soften the Blow to the Goons…I Will Do That… If It Is Any Comfort, I Think It Would Be Fair to Say That the Goons Are Losing Power and Influence BY THE DAY.”

June 18, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on May 16, 2011. I sent a response the following day.

Wade:

It’s a revolutionary statement. You are telling the truth about safe withdrawal rates. Every advance that we have achieved over the past nine years started with my decision to tell the truth re SWRs in my May 13, 2002 post. It may be that you cannot see today where this is going to lead you in time. As  someone who has already made a good bit of the journey, I can tell you that it is going to take you to some amazing places.

Yes, of course I have been saying this for nine years now. But who am I? I am some guy whose claim to expertise in this field is that I figured out how to get posts to appear at internet discussion boards. My words have power to those who see them. Not too many see them. You are positioned to be able to publish peer-reviewed research. You have the potential to have far more influence.

I of course have no more desire to antagonize the Goons than you do. But the reality obviously is that they ARE antagonized by honest posting on these matters. So that aspect of this is a problem.

My intent was very much to focus on your name (and on Bogle’s name) since it is the fact that you are saying these things (and that, as you note, Bogle has offered important support for the core ideas) that is the news here. I am going to have to give some thought as to whether there is a  “soft” way to report this. It won’t work to say only that there is a “new academic study.” I need to give a link to the study for the story to make any sense at all. And, if I give a link, the Goons will be upset with you.

My guess is that I am going to play it the way I planned. My plan was to include your name (and Bogle’s name) in the headline but to offer only limited commentary. I would quote the key paragraph of your blog post (the one I quoted in my comment at your blog) and I would quote from my comment and perhaps from my e-mail to you from yesterday (I presume that you would prefer that I not quote from your e-mail below and I have no problem with that, so I will leave that out of it) and generally leave it at that. If I can think of other things that I can do to soften the blow to the Goons while still making the essential point that there are today people of influence in this field making public statements about the analytical errors contained in the Old School SWR studies, I will do that. But my guess is that I am not going to be able to tell the story that needs to be told without saying at least that much.

If it is any comfort, I think it would be fair to say that the Goons are losing power and influence BY THE DAY. There was a time when I was blacklisted at every major personal finance blog. Today I am having the experience of bloggers COMING TO ME and asking me to write guest blogs. This is a big change. People are having increasingly serious doubts about the Buy-and-Hold mumbo jumbo. About the only thing people are not willing to go along with today are direct and clear statements about the Ban on Honest posting. I believe that a big part of the concern there are the lawsuits that we are likely to see in days to come. But the wall is eroding. I believe that there will come a day in the not-too-distant future when you will be able to do your work in peace and not need to worry about the sorts of Internet Sewer Rats who have put up posts in “defense” of Lindauer and Greaney putting forward threats to destroy your career and all this sort of thing.

Please continue thinking through the implications of where your research leads. It takes time for it all to sink in. My sense is that you understand that your work is of great significance but that you do not today come close to appreciating just how revolutionary it truly is. That is going to come with time. You have caught a very large tiger by the tale, my good friend. I’m sure of it!

Do not hesitate to let me know if I say anything in the blog post or in the comments that follow that concerns you. I don’t think that is going to happen. But in the event that it does, I obviously want to do everything I can possibly do to keep things on a positive and constructive and life-affirming track.

Please take care.

Rob

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investment research, John Bogle, John Greaney, SWRs, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “If I Did Lack Personal Integrity, I Could Have Made This All Stop by Saying the Meaningless Sentence You Want So Desperately to Hear — ‘I Think the Errors in the Traditional Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Must Be Corrected By Using Rob’s Analytically Valid Method’ “

June 17, 2012 by Rob

I have in recent weeks been reporting on my e-mail correspondence with Academic Researcher Wade Pfau. Wade posted a comment to the blog entry that I posted early this morning. The text is set forth below:

Hi Rob,

I forgot that I was still saying things like this even 2 weeks after the initial incident.

This was more than a year ago now, but I am thinking that I was just trying to explain politely to you that I’d rather have you quit writing about me, or at least stop using my name. I suppose that I figured the only way you might understand why is if I explained it in terms of your favorite conspiracy theories.

I will make one more attempt at a reality check for you. You go on and on about how I allegedly lack personal integrity because I allowed the Goons to threaten me into silence.

The reality is that though I may have for a brief moment got a bit too caught up in YOUR drama, I do not have any fears about the Goons.

The reality is that you are causing me 1000x more career damage than the Goons ever could have by filling Google with so much nonsense about me, and sharing embarrassing private details such as my overly ambitious journal submission strategies, etc. Those in particular are highly private. People don’t publicly share where they submit articles to unless those articles are accepted. You’ve violated my trust in so many countless ways and yet you still proclaim to be my friend.

And the further reality is that if I *did* lack personal integrity, I could have made this all stop just by saying the meaningless sentence you want so desperately to hear: “I think the errors in the traditional safe withdrawal rate studies must be corrected by using Rob’s analytically valid method.”

But I don’t believe that. I do not believe you have offered a valid correction to the safe withdrawal rate question. And I believe that retirement income strategies go much further than the question of a safe withdrawal rate. And so that is why I’ve had to endure your ongoing harassment for months on end now.

Usually I can figure out the Rob-logic behind what you are thinking, but I really don’t know how you think you come out of this whole episode looking like the good guy. I guess it is because you think you are saving my soul and putting me back on the path of righteousness, or something, huh? If only you had the power to do a little bit of self reflection…

Now that the whole email history is on display, we have the reminder of how angry you got at the very beginning when I referred to you as dogmatic. Yet, look at the way you’ve treated me for disagreeing with you on something which you don’t even understand. You quote numbers from JWR’s statistical work, but I’m not sure if you can even distinguish a mean from a median. So how can you be sure his work is right? I don’t know either, as I never did get around to digging into it, and I doubt I ever will now. But I’m not sure how a properly calculated lower confidence bound for a 2000 retiree could have been higher than zero.

Rob, suppose the stock market does drop 65% as you are expecting. It might happen, who knows.

Step 1: Stock Market Drops 65%

Step 2: ??

Step 3: Rob wins $500 million settlement from the Goons, the Goons are sent to prison, the investing public learns about and adopts VII.

What is Step 2? There isn’t one. You will still be in the same position as you’ve been in for the last 10 years. Why didn’t something happen for you after the 2008 financial crisis? You are like the guy who keeps predicting new ends for the world as each previous prediction date passes by.

That is why I’m telling you, from one human being to another, that it is time to move on. You are a smart guy, and you could use your talents for something productive. While warning people about the 4% rule is helpful, the way that you go about doing it is rather “catastrophically unproductive” as one wise fellow said to you years ago. I provide a loud voice that is critical of the 4% rule, and so spending your days assassinating my character is counterproductive to your underlying cause. So perhaps you can start fresh with a new issue of social import that carries less baggage for you. What happened in the past is a sunk cost, but you still have a chance to turn things around and start afresh today. And you can do all of this while still being honest and true to yourself.

My reaction to Wade’s words is set forth in the comments section of the earlier blog entry.

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investment research, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “You Have Shown That There Are Circumstances in Which Returns Are Higher in Treasury Bills Than They Are in Stocks. That is INSANE. That Cannot Be. It IS. But It CANNOT Be. Both Things Are So.”

June 8, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail sent to me by Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on March 10, 2011. I sent my response later the same day. The text appears below.

Wade:

Thanks for letting me know that you came through the earthquake okay. I of course feel for and will pray for all the people affected.

The question is: WHY isn’t Buy-and-Hold mean-variance efficient?

The logic of Buy-and-Hold is rock-solid. It SHOULD work. Think about what you have shown. You have shown that there are circumstances in which returns are higher in Treasury bills than they are in stocks. That is INSANE. That cannot be. It IS. But it CANNOT be. Both things are so.

Say that your paper were published. And say that all of the web sites and books and magazines reported on this. Would this not change investor behavior? All investors want to achieve good results. No one is going to elect to remain in stocks when Treasury bills are offering a better return once they know that this is so.

That means that there are not going to be any more bull markets after your research (and lots more research like it that will follow in its wake) is published. And no more bull markets means no more bear markets. Volatility is OPTIONAL. If we let people know how stock investing works, stock price volatility comes to an end.

This is of course wonderful news. Our problem is that it is TOO wonderful. Things that are too wonderful upset the applecart in a big way. You are causing trouble for everyone who has ever advocated Buy-and-Hold. And that includes a lot of your peers!

What has happened historically is that in the 1960s for the first time the analysis of how stock investing works became an academic pursuit. This changed things in a fundamental way. Until then it has just been people taking guesses and people trying to sell junk. Starting in the 1960s it became possible to achieve real and lasting advances in our understanding of the realities.

Buy-and-Hold was popularized by the publication of “A Random Walk Down Wall Street” in 1974. From 1974 to 2011 is 37 years. That seems like a lot to us. But in the grand scheme of things that’s the wink of an eye. All that has happened in the grand scheme of things is that some perfectly smart people happened to make a mistake and they have gained so much fame and wealth as a result of that mistake that they have become emotionally reluctant to acknowledge it. The history train is moving in our direction and it cannot be stopped. Buy-and-Hold will die by the same power by which it came to life — analysis of the historical return data.

This is an either-or, Wade. There is no middle ground. You either believe that the market is efficient (that all factors affecting price are considered at all times) or you believe that valuations affect long-term returns. If you believe that valuations affect long-term returns, you believe that there is at least one important factor not being taken into consideration when prices are set — Valuations. If valuations are being considered, both overvaluation and undervaluation are logical impossibilities. The people who buy stocks refuse to pay insanely high prices for anything else they buy. If they begin to refuse to do this when buying stocks, we can never again see another bull market (each price
increase would bring on sales and the sales would lower prices).

It might help to put this in an economic context. What your findings are really challenging is Adam Smith economics (at least as it has been formulated in the past). Adam Smith economics ASSUMES rationality on the part of economic players. Adam Smith economics is Rational Man economics. You are saying that investors are irrational. You are saying that millions of investors elected to buy stocks at a time when the most likely annualized 10-year return was a negative 1 percent real and when an investment class with a government guaranty attached (TIPS) was offering a return of 4 percent real. It is not possible to believe both that investors are capable of doing such a thing and that investors always make rational choices. Humans are capable of huge amounts of irrationality. Adam Smith economics is not a complete explanation of how the world works.

Everyone has known that Adam Smith economics is not a complete explanation for many, many years. But people have accepted the model on the grounds that it is the best we can do and that it is better than nothing. But Fama took a fateful step when he applied Adam Smith economics to the study of stock investing. With stock investing, it is possible to quantify the extent to which the reality deviates from the theory. P/E10 does this. P/E10 tells us the extent to which humans deviate from rationality. It reduces investor emotion TO A NUMBER.

You’ve brought up the question of whether there is anything new here or not. The idea that valuations affect returns is not new. It is the QUANTIFICATION of this that is new. Our practice in the past has been to overlook the problem of investor irrationality because we don’t feel comfortable dealing with it. Once we quantify it and see that investor irrationality has been the primary cause of each of the four economic crises we have seen since 1900, we are not able to rationalize anymore. That nonsense came to an end (intellectually, not practically) when we came up with this idea of subjecting stock investing to formal, scientific analysis. We have put one of out favorite rationalizations to death.

Learning is good. This is all good. There is zero downside to having humankind rise to a new level of understanding of how stock investing works that permits us to put an end to bull markets and bear markets and economic crises. But that
doesn’t mean that everybody is going to greet the change with open arms. People were suspicious about the harnessing of electricity. People were suspicious about the idea of flying in airplanes. People were suspicious about the personal computer. There is a lot of resistance to the idea of reporting the numbers used in stock analysis accurately. But accurate reporting of the numbers will come (unless as a society we give up on science altogether — I view that as an exceedingly far-fetched possibility).

So there are going to be fights. But we know in advance which side is going to win in the end. The battle is not primarily an intellectual battle. All of the evidence is on one side, so there is nothing intellectually to fight about. The battle is a POLITICAL battle. I can tell you as someone who has been doing this for nine years that the only thing that has ever helped was the stock crash and the economic crisis. There has been a HUGE softening of resistance over the past two years. The next crash is going to bring ANOTHER huge softening. And then we are off to the races.

The risk here is that the next crash may also put is into the Second Great Depression. All predictions about the future are out at that point.

But if we are heading into a Game Over situation, nothing much matters anyway. So I don’t view that as a real downside in a practical sense. If we are able to avoid the Second Great Depression, we are headed to the biggest advance in our understanding of how stock investing works ever experienced and I believe that that advance will translate into an era of huge economic growth.

I apologize for putting forward so many words. But I want to offer you an explanation of this rejection and this is the only sane explanation that I am able to offer. People don’t want to accept that this is an either-or. People want to be able to say that both Fama and Shiller are right. It’s okay to say that they are both smart and good people and that they are both pioneers and all that sort of thing. It is not okay to say that they are both right. If Fama is right, Shiller is wrong. If Shiller is right, Fama is wrong.

If Shiller is right, Buy-and-Hold is not a generally good but slightly flawed strategy. If Shiller is right, Buy-and-Hold is the purest and most dangerous Get Rich Quick strategy ever concocted by the human mind (not by intent — but still).

I really think that the logic chain that I am putting forward here holds, Wade. You are going to be rejected lots of times because of the exceedingly strange nature of the controversy you are addressing. But your work will ultimately be accepted. And when it is accepted, it will not be accepted as a nice step forward. It will be accepted as the most important piece of investment research yet published or it will not be accepted at all (there are many who do not permit themselves to acknowledge even to themselves the reasons for their rejection of the research but on some level of consciousness they appreciate the implications of your findings and cannot permit them to be publicized until they have come emotionally to terms with them).

The good news is that we are one stock crash away from Buy-and-Hold tumbling to the ground. Everyone alive wants to know how to invest effectively, Once Buy-and-Hold tumbles to the ground, there is nothing anymore to stop us all from mining hundreds and hundreds of very powerful and enriching insights into how stock investing really works.

It is not written in stone that economics must always be known as the Dismal Science. It’s been the Dismal Science for many years because for many years we have not known many important things about how economics works. As we move from ignorance to knowledge, economics becomes less and less dismal. It’s all up to us — the humans!

Rob

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investment research, modern portfolio theory, Rob Bennett, treasury bills, Wade Pfau

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: “I Think My Paper Is Not Challenging Modern Portfolio Theory…But Often You End Up Persuading Me to Your Points”

June 7, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Blog on March 10. 2011. I said in the e-mail that wade’s research discrediting Modern Portfolio Theory was possibly the most important piece of investment research ever published. Wade sent his response the same day.

Wade thanked me for my comments and said: “You haven’t seen anything yet! This was just the secondary study.  I’m still working on the main one!”

However, he reported that “my peers do not agree with you.” He sent the paper to the same journal that published the Fisher and Statman research. The e-mail states: “It seems reasonable that they would consider a paper that points out fundamental problems in a paper they previously published, right?  Well, I’ve gotten a desk reject!  This means, the editors find that the paper is not even good enough to make it worthwhile to be sent out for peer review.”

The correspondence Wade received setting forth the rationale for the rejection stated: “We have both read and met to discuss your paper. Unfortunately, we did not find the paper’s incremental contribution to the academic finance literature, assuming the analysis proved to be correct, rose to the level that we are seeking for papers in the JFR. Thus sending the paper to a reviewer would be inefficient. In terms of guidance, the paper appears to be competently executed and has some interesting insights; however, it is better suited for a more professional-oriented finance outlet such as the Journal of Investing.”

Wade said: “This is the same kind of problem I had with my rejection for the Maximum Withdrawal Rate predictions paper. Academic finance journals think the stuff is pointless and just tell me to send it to a professional-oriented journal instead of an academic journal.”

Wade disagreed with me that his paper discredits Modern Portfolio Theory. He said: “I think my paper is not challenging Modern Portfolio Theory. It just says that Buy-and-Hold is not “mean-variance efficient”. ” He added, however, that “often you end up persuading me to your points.”

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investment research, modern portfolio theory, peer review, Wade Pfau

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