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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #12 — We Need to Attack the Valuations Topic Head On

July 30, 2012 by Rob

Wade believes in Valuation-Informed Indexing. He was dancing around like a kid on Christmas morning in his e-mail correspondence with me. He said in a post at the Bogleheads Forum that he was going to put what he learned from his correspondence with me to personal use by following a Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy himself. Face in, Goons! This guy’s a believer!

But the word on the street is that some sort of rift has developed between Wade and Old Farmer Hocus. What’s the deal?

Wade found out that the world’s first true research-based stock investing strategy is controversial. The Old Boy’s Club hates it because it’s death for Buy-and-Hold if the plebes find out what the last 30 years of academic research really says about how stock investing works in the long run. And the plebes don’t generally get too excited about the idea either. They’ve been taken and it hurts to find out you have been taken. They’re in denial and there’s not much of a buck to be made today telling them the news.

Wade still believes, though. And it really is true that he is a good guy who wants to do fine research that helps people. He’s not going to promote the in-your-face version of Valuation-Informed Indexing that I push. But he’s not abandoning the general concept. His plan is to push a softer version of Valuation-Informed Indexing, a VII Light. His aim is to avoid setting people off by incorporating valuations adjustments into his work in ways that don’t draw attention to themselves. People will be eating their spinach. But it will be mixed in with chocolate ice cream so they won’t notice it so much.

It’s not a totally bad idea. There is no one who has ever participated in our discussions who I respected more than John Walter Russell and he used to try to do things along these lines. I’ve been banned at every major investing discussion board at which I have ever posted. John did the research that supports the Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy I espouse. And John was never once banned! Hey! Maybe he understood something about human interactions that I do not. Maybe Wade is on the right track and I should just lay off the poor guy.

Maybe.

But I don’t think so.

It’s good to try to get along with people. I believe that 100 percent. And I have done a lot of things that in ordinary circumstances would help me get along with the Buy-and-Holders. I have praised the Buy-and-Hold concept to the skies (there would be no Valuation-Informed Indexing had Buy-and-Hold not come before it — powerful Buy-and-Hold insights provide the foundation for all my work). I have said that I do not believe that the mistake the Buy-and-Holders made re long-term timing was intentional (there’s no evidence that it was and a good bit of evidence that cuts the other way). I have said that I believe that the Buy-and-Holders are sincere in their recommendations of Buy-and-Hold (it is possible for humans suffering the effects of cognitive dissonance to ignore the 30 years of research showing that it cannot work in the long run). I have said that the Buy-and-Holders are smart and good and hard-working and nice people. I believe all those things. So, to the extent that saying those things could win me some favor with the Buy-and-Holders, I am of course happy to say them.

In ten years of discussions, never once has saying any of those sorts of things won me a tiny bit of openness or tolerance or kindness from the Buy-and-Holders. They are not looking for warm words or kind words or sympathetic words. They are looking for something else.

They have never told me precisely what they are looking for. But they have dropped some pretty darn clear hints. The message that has been delivered to me on numerous occasions is: It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it.

If I said things the way John said them, I would not have been banned. If I said things the way Wade now says them, I would not have been banned.

You are allowed to say “I don’t feel comfortable going with a high stock allocation.” You are allowed to say “valuations matter.” You are allowed to say “I am not going to take a 4 percent withdrawal.” You are allowed to say “I am worried that stock prices are going to fall.”

The types of things that I say that you are not allowed to say are: (1) Buy-and-Hold is a Get Rich Quick scheme; (2) The Old School SWR studies get the numbers wildly wrong; (3) The relentless promotion of Buy-and-Hold strategies was the primary cause of the economic crisis; (4) The errors in the Old School SWR studies need to be corrected; (5) Shiller’s research shows that there is precisely zero chance of Buy-and-Hold working for any long-term investor; and (6) Stocks are priced today for a 65 percent price drop.

These are strong statements. I’ll give them that.

Many people, including people who do not think of themselves as Buy-and-Holders, view these statements as rude. They’ve told me so.

As someone who likes to get along with people and who hates to think of himself as someone who indulges in rudeness, I have some sympathy for why Wade would want to try a softer approach to encouraging people to follow Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy than the one I follow.

That said, I cannot in good conscience follow the path Wade has chosen for himself. I think it is important that Buy-and-Holders hear these truths and that they hear them unvarnished.

Consider what I said about the Buy-and-Holders being good and smart people. Consider that statement in connection with my claim that it was the relentless promotion of Buy-and-Hold strategies that served as the primary cause of the economic crisis. Do you see the disconnect? Good and smart people don’t go around doing things that cause economic crises. So why did the Buy-ad-Holders do it? Because they didn’t know. Why didn’t they know? Because all of us who know are so worried that saying what we know in clear and firm and uncompromising language will hurt their feelings that we avoid telling them what they need to know to do what they would want to do as good and smart people if only they knew.

No one wants to invest ineffectively. No one wants others to invest ineffectively. No one wants to cause an economic crisis. Teaching people about Valuation-Informed Indexing should be easy. People should be lined up for blocks around to get into talks to hear more about it. Valuation-Informed Indexing is a wonderful advance in about 50 different ways. This shouldn’t be so hard. This should be easy.

I’ve never had any problem making the intellectual case for Valuation-Informed Indexing. The intellectual case is so strong that it is simply undeniable. That’s the problem. The resistance to the idea is emotional. It hurts Buy-and-Holders deeply for them to learn that they have been following a Get Rich Quick scheme for years. They do not want to hear this. They block out the information. They seek to ban the fellow giving voice to the information, however polite he might be or however many warm words he might add to the mix when conveying that information.

Consider the argument about the economic crisis. Nothing could be more obvious than my point that Buy-and-Hold caused the economic crisis. Stocks were overpriced by $12 trillion in 2000. Stocks always return to fair-value price levels in about 10 years. So we knew in 2000 that over the course of the next 10 years something close to $12 trillion of spending power was going to be removed from our economy. An economy that loses $12 trillion of spending power collapses. There is no way to imagine any other possible outcome. The economic crisis was assured when we permitted stocks to reach the price levels they reached in the late 1990s.

How many times have you heard anyone other than Rob Bennett blame the economic crisis on the Buy-and-Hold investing strategy (Buy-and-Hold teaches that there is no need to lower one’s stock allocation when prices rise to insanely high levels — that’s why prices got so out of hand)? I’ve never heard anyone else say it. I know that lots of people understand the point because I have read the work of many who do and I have spoken to many who do. Why don’t we hear people making this point? Lots of people who understand that Buy-and-Hold can never work are following the path elected by John and Wade.

John and Wade and all these others are nice people. I get why they play it the way they do.

But guess how the Buy-and-Holders respond when I say that Buy-and-Hold caused the economic crisis? They say that that can’t be so because I am the only one saying it!

When people don’t hear an argument being made, they assume that that is because there is not much to the argument. When John and Wade and all the others elect not to hurt the feelings of the Buy-and-Holders by not telling them things they very much need to know (we are all worried about the economic crisis and we all need to know what caused it to have any realistic hope of bringing it to an end), they hurt the Buy-and-Holders in a different way. We tell our friends things they need to know. When we don’t tell the Buy-and-Holders things they need to know, we leave them in ignorance. Friends don’t do that to friends.

We are going to hurt the Buy-and-Holders one way or the other. Tell them the truth and we hurt their feelings. Hold back from telling them the truth and we will cause them to suffer huge financial losses. Isn’t there some rudeness in that too? The soft way of telling the story ends up having some unanticipated hard edges to it.

If the people who developed the Buy-and-Hold Model had gotten things just a little wrong, there would be no problem. We would make note of the problem and they would fix it. Easy, peasy. Our problem is that the error made by the people who developed the Buy-and-Hold Model was not small thing. It was a gigantic error, an error big enough to cause millions of middle-class people to suffer failed retirements somewhere down the line. We are doing the Buy-and-Holders no kindness by letting it slide. They do not want to cause millions of failed retirements and they do not want to suffer failed retirements themselves. They object when we tell them the truth. But there is part of every Buy-and-Holder that thirsts for the truth, that wants to be treated with respect and that wants to be forced to cope with the realities however unsettling they are on first hearing.

The soft approach will never reach the Buy-and-Holders. They are master rationalizers. It was ten years ago that I put up the post pointing out the errors in the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies and not one of those studies has been corrected to this day. This is not a group that responds well to soft approaches.

Now —

I’ve tried hitting the Buy-and-Holders over the head with what the academic research of the past 30 years says about stock investing and that approach has not exactly lit up the sky in fireworks either. I don’t say that what I have done has been a big success. Still, I think the direct approach holds more promise. An approach more direct than mine waits on the horizon. If no one other than me gets about the business of telling the truth to the Buy-and-Holders soon, they are going to be seeing Truth with a capital T making a showing on the final line on the final page of their portfolio statements. Now that’s rude! The kinder thing is to tell them what they need to know today to avoid being hit with that rude surprise a bit down the line.

Here’s the good news.

As noted above, the Buy-and-Holders deep in their hearts want to know the truth about stock investing. Remember, they fell in love with Buy-and-Hold because they were drawn to its claims to being a research-backed approach. If we hit them with the truth in creative (and always kind and warm and respectful ways), they will in time hear it. I have seen this magic happen. Not often enough for my tastes, but I have seen it happen. I am sure that, if more of us worked together to deliver the message more forcefully than we have so far, we would see it happen more frequently.

Once the idea builds up some momentum, it will start generating some amazing leverage effects.

I’ve told you how Wade was jumping around like a kid on Christmas morning when he learned the realities of stock investing. Wade is not the only academic researcher out there who enjoys that feeling. If more of us got in the habit of delivering the truth about stock investing straight and unvarnished, we would begin to flip some Buy-and-Holders and then the idea of doing that sort of thing would spread and then soon we would have hundreds of Wade Pfaus competing with each other to be the next researcher to put out fresh and amazing stock research.

We would learn and learn and learn and learn. And we would feel better and better and better and better about ourselves.

The Buy-and-Holders are in great emotional pain. The soft approach leaves them in pain. It’s kind only in a surface sense.

When people have come to believe in something terribly wrong and dangerous, their friends should want to see them give it up as soon as possible. If that means saying some things that hit with a bit of a snap, so be it. I’d prefer that the reality were otherwise. But it is what it is. The kind thing is to bring the Buy-and-Hold madness to an end quickly. It is killing us. We are in an economic crisis. We need to act with polite and kind and warm firmness.

 

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: Investor Psychology, Stock Valuations, Wade Pfau

Rob Bennett’s Responses to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau: #8 — What Caused Good Guy Wade to Do Such a Horribly Bad Thing?

July 26, 2012 by Rob

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau is a good guy. I told you that story in Response #1.

Academic Researcher Wade Pfau has done a horribly bad thing in switching over to the Goon side. He has empowered the Goons. He has extended the economic crisis. He has delayed the correction of the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies. He has caused even more harm to come to the reputations of the Buy-and-Holders when we all should be working to rebuild the reputations of our Buy-and-Hold friends by getting those darn Old School safe-withdrawal-rate studies corrected and making it possible for people of intelligence and integrity to make a living in the investment advice field once again.

What happened?

Why do bad decisions get made by good academic researchers?

This is an investing question. During the Buy-and-Hold Era, it has become common practice to view effective investment as a numbers exercise. It’s all about wrestling with tables and charts and data. No. That’s the mistake. The academic research of the past 30 years shows that 80 percent of the risk of stock investing lies in the temptation we all feel to fall under the spell of Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick strategies. No one purposely destroys his or her hopes for a successful retirement. We mess up because Get Rich Quick calls out to us and our friends in The Stock-Selling Industry have learned over the years that there is an awful lot of money to be made by advising us to answer the call. Valuation-Informed Indexing is what works. But Buy-and-Hold is what sells. Compare John Bogle’s bank book to mine if you have any doubts. There is a good reason why the people who sell stocks for a living love Buy-and-Hold so much.

But The Stock-Selling Industry is far from the only industry that stretches the truth a wee bit to sell us junk. The car dealerships would tell us that cars are worth buying at any price if they thought they could get away with it. The fashion designers would tell us that clothes are worth buying at any price if they thought they could get away with it. The toy companies would tell us that toys are worth buying at any price if they thought they could get away with it.

It’s not just that The Stock-Selling Industry tricks us. It’s that we want to be tricked!

And it’s not just Wade Pfau who has compromised himself in response to enormous pressures to do so. Just about everyone in this field has done that to some extent (I knew that the Old School SWR studies got the numbers wrong when I put forward my first post to the Motley Fool board in May 1999 but I didn’t tell my friends what I knew until the morning of May 13, 2002 — that’s financial fraud!). It is the social pressure to not point out the dangers of Get Rich Quick schemes and the human inclination to respond to social pressures that makes stock investing risky. When we figure out why Wade Pfau (and many, many, many others) did what he did, we have come to understand the true nature of investing risk and have at least begun an effort to avoid investing risk in the future.

I’ve come up with ten reasons for why Wade did what he did.

Reason One is that there was money to be made. This is the obvious one. Wade has seen lots of links to his site since he flipped. He has seen job offers come his way since he flipped. He has seen the Goons agree to leave him alone since the flip. All those things have put money in Wade’s pockets. I need to include this one on the list because it obviously was a factor. I think it is a mistake to make too much of it. We are all a little corrupt. I have never seen any signs that Wade Pfau is more corrupt than the average bear. In other circumstances, the average bear doesn’t do what Wade Pfau did. So we know there are other factors are work here. Sure, Wade likes money. Who doesn’t? In ordinary circumstances, he would have put his reputation for personal integrity above his financial concerns. There is precisely zero evidence indicating otherwise.

Reason Two is that Wade wants people to like him. We want academic researchers telling us the truth about stock investing. We don’t want them saying whatever they need to say to be popular. But we need to accept that academic researchers are not robots. They are people. They want to be liked. We humans hate with a burning passion those who tell us the truth about stock investing at times when stocks are insanely overpriced. So long as that remains true, using the academic research as our guide to how to invest is not going to work out so hot. The best trained and smartest researchers in the world won’t tell us the truth if we make clear to them that we will hate them for doing so. There is no one alive on Planet Earth who has taken a firmer stand about telling the truth re stock investing than Old Farmer Hocus. I gained 60 pounds as a result of the extra chocolate-chip cookies I ate to soothe the pain I felt from the endless storm of rage directed at me by the Goons (I’ve lost 20 of those 60 pounds in recent months). Maybe Mrs. Pfau doesn’t like fat boys. Maybe Wade feels that he just cannot afford to take the path that Old Farmer Hocus has taken. None of us want to be hated. If we want to obtain better investing advice from the experts in this field, we had better start giving some thought to not directing so much hate to those who dare to “cross” us by telling the truth re what the data says.

Reason Three is that Wade wants to do good work. What a horrible man that Wade Pfau is — he wants to accomplish good things in this world! Wade has spent years developing the skills that made him a researcher capable of doing research worthy of a Nobel prize. He naturally doesn’t want to waste that talent. He knows what has happened to me. It was because he recognized the great power of my work in this field that he sought to establish a relationship with me and learn more about my ideas. I think it would be fair to say that he noticed early on that my web site is, as one visitor told me in an e-mail, “the best kept secret on the internet.” Wade doesn’t want his investing insights to be kept secret. He wants his stuff out there, influencing lots of people for the good. I think this is the biggest factor. I believe that Wade’s desire to leave a positive mark on the world counted for a lot more in his decision than did the dollar bills that he knew would be coming his way if he agreed to compromise himself. We all want to do useful work. If our free market system is to survive, we are going to need to find a way to make it possible for people to do good work in this field without compromising their personal integrity.

Reason Four is that Wade wants the Goons off his back. The Lindauerheads and the Greaney Goons are vile. If you don’t know what I am talking about, please spend ten seconds reviewing Greaney’s site (please be sure to wear protective clothing). It’s obviously no big deal that there are vile people posting vile stuff on the internet. We all know about that unfortunate reality of modern life. The point here is that the way we handle the vile stuff in the investing field is very, very different from the way we handle the vile stuff when we see it appear before us in all other areas of human endeavor. In all other areas of human endeavor, we protect the people making positive contributions from the reach of the Internet Sewer Rats. John Bogle knows about the Goons. I sent him two e-mails asking for his help with the Lindauer matter. He hasn’t responded. Wade knows that. Wade sent me an e-mail once when he saw the Goons put up a string of abusive posts at the Early Retirement Forum on a thread discussing his research. He understands that, when the Goons smear you with feces, it takes a long time for the smell to wear off. If it weren’t for the 30 years of academic research showing that Buy-and-Hold can never work in the long run, we would still know how dangerous it is just by observing the behavior it has prompted among the Goons and our tolerance of that behavior for ten years now. Wade wants to stay clean. That’s a big part of the explanation of why he is no longer willing to state plainly and clearly and firmly what his research shows about how stock investing works in the real world.

Reason Five is that Wade does not fully understand Valuation-Informed Indexing. Wade gets it that investors who make the shift from Buy-and-Hold to Valuation-Informed Indexing greatly increase their returns by doing so while also greatly reducing their risk. That can be shown with numbers and Wade is a magician with the numbers. There are many other elements of the new model that he does not yet fully understand. I know this because of things he said to me. For example, he once expressed uncertainty as to whether the continued promoted of Buy-and-Hold will cause another price crash. He doesn’t rule out the possibility. He gets it that on all earlier occasions on which Buy-and-Hold became popular, we saw multiple crashes that eventually brought stock prices down to one-half of their fair-value level. The part he doesn’t yet fully grasp is why.

I’m not making a dig in saying this. It took me years to grasp this stuff (and I’m still learning something new nearly every week). It took John Walter Russell years to grasp this stuff. It’s not intellectually hard. It’s just that Valuation-Informed Indexing is rooted in very different premises than Buy-and-Hold and it takes some time to get used to thinking with the new mindset. Because Wade does not get it all, he does not feel comfortable placing all his chips on a VII bet. I believe that he feels that he is hedging his bets by first posting research showing the superiority of VII and then shifting his positions to make them more acceptable to Buy-and-Holders. If he grasped how imperative it is that as a society we begin making the shift to VII, he wouldn’t give two seconds thought to the idea of promoting Buy-and-Hold no matter how much money he would earn by doing so. But he doesn’t see the full extent of the peril our economy is in today or appreciate fully how the promotion of Buy-and-Hold caused the problem and how the promotion of Valuation-Informed Indexing would overcome the problem.

Reason Six is that Wade has friends who have promoted Buy-and-Hold strategies. One of the reasons why ordinary investors get sucked into trying out Buy-and-Hold strategies despite their horrible track record is that we humans are not logic-processing machines. We make many decisions by checking out what our friends do and doing likewise ourselves. That’s why celebrity endorsements are a regular feature of television commercials. The way to persuade people of the merit of something is not to hit them with facts and data. It it to let them see that people they like have checked out the product or service or investing strategy and found it promising. There’s something in our minds that tell us “if lots of other good people like this, it’s probably at least okay.”

Wade obviously has friends in The Stock-Selling Industry or at least among other academic researchers who do investing research. We live in the Buy-and-Hold Era. So those friends have either endorsed Buy-and-Hold strategies or published Buy-and-Hold research. Wade’s brain is telling him that, if these other good people find Buy-and-Hold acceptable, he should too. Wade is a human. That’s how the humans operate.

Reason Seven is that Buy-and-Hold has never been permanently defeated in the past. Say that Wade has learned enough from his research to be able to resist the social pressures to believe that Buy-and-Hold is at least an acceptable strategy. Say that he believes that it really is going to bring us to the Second Great Depression. My sense is that he is not convinced of that (my sense is also that he does not dismiss the possibility out of hand). But let’s assume for purposes of discussion that this is the case. In those circumstances, would be be willing to become as much of an evangelist for Valuation-Informed Indexing as I have become?

Not necessarily.

To become an evangelist, he would need to believe two things: (1) that Buy-and-Hold is very bad and that Valuation-Informed Indexing is very good; and (2) that it is at least possible that Buy-and-Hold will be replaced by Valuation-Informed Indexing. My sense is that Wade does not believe that Buy-and-Hold will be replaced by Valuation-Informed Indexing.

Buy-and-Hold has caused four economic crises over the past 140 years. It wiped out a lot of investor portfolios the first time and then came back into popularity a few decades later. It wiped out a lot of investor profiles and then came back into popularity a few decades later. It wiped out a lot of investor portfolios the third time and then came back into popularity a few decades later. If Wade believes that on the fourth time it became popular Buy-and-Hold is going to wipe out a lot of investor portfolios and then come back into popularity a few decades later, should he position himself as a harsh critic of Buy-and-Hold? Not if he wants to continue working as an academic researcher in the investing field. Unless Buy-and-Hold is buried 30 feet in the ground, where it can do no further harm to humans and other living things, it will return to destroy many more investor portfolios a few decades from today.

I think this is the end for Buy-and-Hold. I think the Buy-and-Holders are sincere in believing that one should root one’s investing strategies in the academic research and that, once they see what Buy-and-Hold always eventually produces in the real world, they are going to take a serious look at the 30 years of academic research showing why a Buy-and-Hold strategy can never work in the long run. The Buy-and-Holders are not our enemies. Valuation-Informed Indexing is the first true research-backed strategy and the Buy-and-Holders really do believe in using the research as a guide. So this time is different. When Buy-and-Hold fails this time, it fails for good. Once we fix the mistake that the Buy-and-Holders made in the early 1970s, when all the research was not yet available, there will be no reason for anyone to return to a belief in Buy-and-Hold a few decades down the line. All of the textbooks and all of the research and all of the web sites will be singing the praises of Valuation-Informed Indexing as loudly as today they sing the praises of Buy-and-Hold.

So says I. But the future world I am describing here has never yet existed in the flesh-and-blood world. I have reasons for believing that things will turn out as I say but perhaps those reasons do not seem as persuasive to Wade or perhaps he has not spent as much time contemplating the possibilities and has just fallen into an assumption that Buy-and-Hold will recover this time much as it always has in the past. This investing research gig is his life. He has put a lot of effort and time into developing his career. He doesn’t want to blow it all because of what some crazy guy on the internet says is going to happen. These are not entirely unreasonable considerations for him to ponder.

Reason Eight is that Wade does not want to appear extreme. Extremism is bad. Pretty much all reasonable humans agree. Wade acknowledges that there is a ton of evidence that Valuation-Informed Indexing beats Buy-and-Hold. Wade acknowledges that valuations affect long-term returns. Wade acknowledges that the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies get the numbers wildly wrong. Isn’t that enough?

I don’t think it is enough. I think our perception of what is extreme goes totally haywire in a runaway bull market. A stock allocation of 80 percent was insane at the top of the bull. But lots of otherwise smart and good people were saying it was not out of line at the time. Bull markets mess with our ability to process information rationally. The extreme comes to be seen as non-extreme and the non-extreme comes to be seen as extreme.

There’s nothing extreme about Valuation-Informed Indexing. It is the most emotionally balanced investing strategy that exists. It is the first strategy that is truly rooted in the academic research. But for so long as prices remain high (the P/E10 value is far above fair-value levels today), the non-extreme Valuation-Informed Indexing is going to be perceived by many as more extreme than the very extreme Buy-and-Hold.

Wade does not think of himself as an extremist. He has a hard time placing himself firmly on the VII side of the line when the battles between Buy-and-Hold and VII are waged about him.

Reason Nine is that Wade believes a softer version of VII can work. Wade has never said that the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies are analytically valid. He doesn’t believe that. What he has tried to do is to incorporate the effects of valuations into his research without saying that Buy-and-Hold is dangerous or wrong. The Buy-and-Holders can live with that. The Goons tell me all the time that it is not what I say that inflames them but the way I say it. What they mean is that I say that the Old School SWR studies get the numbers wrong. They hate that. They hate, hate, hate, hate, hate it. The Buy-and-Holders believe in the power of numbers. They see themselves as the kinds of people who make a big deal out of getting the numbers right. They don’t want to hear that they got such important numbers wrong. It hurts too much even to consider the possibility.

Wade is trying to get good information out to the readers of his research without inflaming the Buy-and-Holders. If he were writing this article, he would add the word “needlessly.” He would say that he is trying to get good information out to the readers of his research without needlessly inflaming the Buy-and-Holders.

I believe that we must inflame the Buy-and-Holders. I don’t like it. I see their pain. But the only way I see to relieve them of that pain is to confront them with the truth and help them to cope with it and move on. I believe that we will continue spinning our wheels re the economic crisis until we do that.

My sense is that Wade does not agree with me re this point. He sees a softer way to help people understand the effect of valuations and that’s the approach he wants to employ with his future work.

Reason Ten is that Wade is more comfortable working with numbers than with emotions. Most of today’s researchers are numbers people. The numbers support Valuation-Informed Indexing. So it is entirely possible for a numbers guy like Wade to make a strong case for the superiority of Valuation-Informed Indexing. Ultimately, however, Valuation-Informed Indexing is a strategy rooted in an understanding of the emotional realities of stock investing. We don’t cite numbers for the sake of citing numbers. We cite numbers to warn ourselves when our emotions have gotten out of control and to know when to make adjustments in our stock allocations to get things back on track.

My sense is that Wade is out of his element when the discussion turns from numbers to emotions. He is a numbers wiz. Working the numbers makes him feel highly competent. He feels less skilled when the discussion turns to emotions. He was excited to see that the numbers support Valuation-Informed Indexing and so he worked hard to make the numbers case for the new strategy. But he would feel more comfortable seeing other researchers take the lead on the many emotions-rooted research questions that need to be explored in coming days to make the case complete and even more convincing. The emotions thing is not Wade’s thing, at least not to the extent that the numbers thing is Wade’s thing.

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: investment research, Investor Psychology, Wade Pfau

“It’s the Most Extraordinary Thing I Have Ever Seen. The Moon Landing Is a Very Distant Second.”

June 11, 2012 by Rob

Yesterday’s blog entry reported on an e-mail that I sent to Academic Researcher Wade Pfau on March 21, 2011. Wade’s next e-mail arrived on March 28, 2011.

Wade offered his assessment of the Returns Sequence Reality Checker in this e-mail.

I had asked if the concept made sense. He said:  “Yes, indeed. You are making a good point with the spreadsheet.”

We exchanged a number of e-mails relating to technical points re the building of the calclualtor.

On April 5, 2011, Wade sent me an e-mail titled “Classy Discussion” with a link to the Early Retirement Forum:

http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f28/safe-savings-rates-a-new-approach-to-retirement-planning-over-the-lifecycle-55545.html

The discussion thread at the link includes numerous defamatory comments about me (the forum banned honest posting on the safe withdrawal rate topic after I reported on the errors in the Old School studies and the Greaney Goons threatened to burn the entire site to the ground unless honest posting was banned). It contains a comment arguing that, since Wade has agreed to associate with someone with a long history of posting honestly on safe withdrawal rates, he should be treated as possessing “zero credibility.”

I responded the same day. The text of my response follows.

Wade:

Thanks for letting me know.

There’s a serious issue here. This is not normal human behavior. Buy-and-Holders are in serious emotional pain.

Investment professionals need to write about this aspect of things more often. People shy away from the subject. But we don’t solve it by shying away from it. Emotions matter.

I of course would like to see people speak up at that board in favor of a lifting of the ban on honest posting. But how do you think you would feel if you were one of those who had insisted on the ban some years back? As a society, we have created a huge problem. As delicate as this matter is, we are going to need to work through it as a society in days to come.

That’s my take, in any event. It’s the most extraordinary thing I have ever seen. The moon landing is a very distant second.

Rob

 

Filed Under: Intimidation of VII Advocates Tagged With: Investor Psychology, Returns Sequence Reality Checker, Wade Pfau

Balance Junkie Column #4 — Five Things Tim Tebow Can Teach Us About Stock Investing

April 20, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #5 to my monthly column at the Balance Junkie site. It’s called Five Things Tim Tebow Can Teach Us About Stock Investing.

Juicy Excerpt:  The poll shows that the explanations people give for liking Tebow or Manning are rationalizations. People decide for emotional reasons who to support and then turn on the brainpower to concoct explanations for those emotional beliefs that sound sensible. When stocks are priced at three times fair value, there will be dozens of reasons put forward for why the price being set by the market is the proper one. Don’t believe any of it. It is always possible to come up with both plausible-sounding reasons for high prices and plausible-sounding reasons for low prices. Most investing analyses (including this one, to be sure) are so much hot air.

Juicy Comment: You even built your own bias into your headline (naming Tebow rather than Manning).

Filed Under: Guest Blog Entries Tagged With: bull and bear markets, Investor Psychology, tebow

“If We Cheered Strikeouts & Booed Home Runs, We Would Be Seeing Good Baseball Players Experience ‘A Crisis of Self-Worth and Confidence.’ “

April 16, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below are some words that I recently posted to the Goon Central board.Sounds like someone’s having a crisis of self-worth and confidence, doesn’t it?

All of the facts that you put forward in this post are accurate, GW. I post LOTS of columns. I see very few comments. Those are objective facts. And, yes, seeing that sort of reaction is discouraging. Highly discouraging. And it’s been going on for 10 years now!Am I experiencing “a crisis of self-worth and confidence”?

Yes and no.

All humans look to other humans for validation. Boys expect to hear their teammates cheer them when they hit a home run. If they hear no cheers, there is going to be a part of their brain that wonders whether they really did a good thing or not. If we somehow turned all the rules of the world upside down and cheered strikeouts and booed home runs, we would be seeing a lot of good baseball players experiencing “a crisis of self-worth and confidence.”

That’s what we have done in the investing realm, GW.

We made a mistake. It’s not true that the market is efficient. It WANTS to be efficient and it SHOULD be efficient, but it needs our help to get there. We are in the early days of our explorations of the subject of how stock investing works and so it happens that as a society we made a mistake. And, because it affected people’s financial circumstances and there was the chance of lawsuits and embarrassment if we acknowledged the mistake, we elected as a society not to do so. So the mistake grew larger and larger and larger. Today, it is Godzilla. We MUST fix the mistake. But we are scared to death even to talk about it.

There’s nothing wrong with my work of the past 10 years. The work is A++. Ten years ago, there were people saying I was wrong about safe withdrawal rates. There is no one saying that today (I am not counting Goons like you, GW!). Today there are people who doubt whether we really can reduce the risk of stock investing by 80 percent, but ten years from now there will be no one doubting that one either. That’s obviously huge. So there’s zero problem with the work.

But, yes, it does hurt that I don’t hear the cheers I am entitled to hear.

What you are leaving out is that the problem is not with the fellow who is hitting home run after home run and not hearing cheers, the problem is with the darn people not getting with the program and delivering those cheers! That’s what needs to change here!

Why don’t they cheer?

Those people are experiencing “a crisis of self-worth and confidence.”

We like to think that our society is a good one. That it helps people live in peace and happiness. That we are a smart and fair and forward-looking people. All these sorts of things.

The work I have done throws doubt on that. What kind of people is it that tolerates Wall Street spending hundreds of millions of dollars promoting the purest and most dangerous Get Rich Quick scheme ever concocted by the human mind, causing the biggest economic crisis in its history? For 30 years! What kind of people are we?

We’re mess-ups.

We need to acknowledge that to become empowered to move forward.

Once we do, we will also become able to acknowledge the good stuff. It is our society that produced Valuation-Informed Indexing (I obviously did not do it by myself). So there is nothing to be scared about here. We have indeed done bad stuff. But the good stuff counters the bad by a factor of 50 to 1. No other society has ever produced an investing strategy of one-tenth of the power of the one we have now produced. We need to let that in and to start feeling good about ourselves again.

I am a human, GW. So, yes, of course I feel bad when I do not hear the cheers that I have earned with my good work. But I know that the problem here is not with me. The problem is with you. You should care as much as I do about seeing that all your fellow community members have access to accurate retirement planning information. And you should care as much as I do about bringing this economic crisis to an end. And you should care as much as I do about investing effectively for the long-term.

There are no two sides, GW. When you (and others) act like there are, you create this messed-up situation. You make us all experience “a crisis of self-worth and confidence” (the economic term is “Great Depression”). I am the one saying to bring an end to that insanity. I am saying that we all should be applauding these amazing home runs that I’ve been hitting for 10 years now. And guess what? When we become honest enough to applaud those amazing home runs, it becomes possible to applaud contributions that others make too. We can applaud John Bogle. We can applaud Bill Bernsteinzz. Heaven help us all, but we can probably even applaud John Greaney and Mel Lindauer and GW.

We can’t applaud anyone for so long as we keep doing things that keep us all in the Great Depression, suffering “a crisis of self-worth and confidence.” God did not put us here to live this way, my long-time abusive-posting friend. Please go back to the Archives of the Motley Fool board for the years immediately prior to May 13, 2002. That’s what we were put here to create. Now multiply by 50. You can be part of that. And Greaney can be part of that. And Lindauer can be part of that. And Bogle can be part of that.

But not until you stop dumping garbage on us all, man. That stuff smells! No one is having a good time for so long as you keep dumping fresh garbage on us. No wonder no one is in the mood to cheer home runs. Everyone feels like he is about to throw up.The garbage tossing stuff must go!

That’s the story. You are proud of your abilities to mess up my deal. What you miss is that you mess up the deals of millions of others when you do that, and by messing up millions of deals, you ultimately mess up your own deal. You don’t get to live in a separate economy. Put the economy we both share in a Second Great Depression because you cannot stand the thought of that darn Rob Bennett fellow enjoying levels of fame and fortune you assume you will never see and you put your own economy in a Second Great Depression by doing it. That’s stupid, man. F_ing things up helps no one. The thing to do is to do whatever you can to move things forward and try to set things up so that you win some of the goodies for yourself while doing it.

You F’d up GW.

Deal with it. Then move on.

You only get so many years. Don’t give up more of them than you already have. I cannot get back for you the ones you have already thrown away. I can help only on a going forward basis and I have offered on numerous occasions to do so. Not a time-senstive offer, I always say. I repeat it so many times in the hopes that even the hard of hearing will get the message.

Anyway, that’s where things stand. I’m human. So, yes, I am one of the ones suffering the “crisis of self-worth and confidence” you have brought on with your massive garbage dumping endeavors. But at least I am on the record speaking out in opposition to further garbage dumping. At least I am trying to do something about the damn problem.

And you?

Rob

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Filed Under: From Buy/Hold to VII Tagged With: Investor Psychology

Beyond Buy-and-Hold #72 — Get Rich Quick: What Is It?

January 23, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #72 to my weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold column at the Out of Your Rut site. It’s called Get Rich Quick — What Is It?

Juicy Excerpt: I think we might need to stop thinking of Get Rich Quick as “the Other” and just come to accept that it is part of us. Doing that might permit us to see it in places where we do not see it today. I don’t think for two seconds that the Buy-and-Holders want to be following a Get Rich Quick strategy. If they could become a bit more accepting of the charge, perhaps they could eventually become relaxed enough to see that there’s perhaps at least a tiny bit of merit to it.

Filed Under: Beyond Buy-and-Hold Tagged With: buy-and-hold, get rich quick, Investor Psychology

Beyond Buy-and-Hold #68 — How Our Stock Addiction Grew Gradually Worse Over Time

December 16, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #68 to my weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold column at the Out of Your Rut site. It’s called How Our Stock Addiction Grew Gradually Worse Over Time.

Juicy Excerpt: It happened gradually and without me taking much notice of it. Once I had a habit of drinking one cup per day, going to two cups per day did not seem like a big deal. Once I had a habit of drinking two cups per day, going to three cups per day did not seem like a big deal. You get the idea.

This is how it works with stock valuations. Stocks were priced insanely low in 1982. Then valuations went up a bit. But it didn’t matter because prices were so low. Then valuations went up a bit more. But it still didn’t matter because prices were at fair value. Then valuations went up a bit more. But it still didn’t matter because stocks offer a strong value proposition even when they are selling at prices a bit above fair value. Then there came a day when stocks were priced at three times fair value.

Filed Under: Beyond Buy-and-Hold Tagged With: Investor Psychology, stock crash

Beyond Buy-and-Hold #57 — Why We Hate Sound Investing Strategies Today (But Will Embrace Them Tomorrow)

October 27, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #57 to my weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold column at the Out of Your Rut site. It’s called Why We Hate Sound Investing Strategies Today (But Will Embrace Them Tomorrow).

Juicy Excerpt: To follow a Get Rich Quick strategy is an act of self-betrayal. It’s hard for us to convince ourselves that Get RIch Quick can work the first time we try it. But once we have tried it for a time and enjoyed some of the temporary payoffs it really does provide, we come to hate anything that reminds us of what our common sense tells us must be so.

Get RIch Quickers don’t fail to understand the realities of stock investing. They actively oppose consideration of them. Over time they come to embrace their acts of self-destruction and to hate anything that reminds them of the Reality Principle.

If investors were are logical as Buy-and-Holders presume them to be, they would seek out new ideas. Buy-and-Holders hold new ideas in contempt. They don’t want to hear about strategies that work better than Buy-and-Hold. They want to be comforted by promises that Buy-and-Hold really can work in the long run. Over and over again. Because the voice of common sense never entirely dies in any human.

Filed Under: Beyond Buy-and-Hold Tagged With: Investor Psychology

ITNR #72 — What An Investing Fool Believes

October 25, 2011 by Rob

I’v e posted Entry #72 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called What An Investing Fool Believes.

Juicy Excerpt: Ataloss hates Rob Bennett with a burning passion. Ataloss loves William Bernstein with a passionate devotion. We both say the same thing about safe withdrawal rates. The only difference is that I deliver the message with clarity and Bernstein obfuscates enough so that Buy-and-Holders can read his words and not notice anything alarming in them.

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: Ataloss, Investor Psychology, SWRs, William Bernstein

ITNR #69 — Pride Comes Before a Stock Crash

September 14, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #69 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called Pride Comes Before a Stock Crash.

Juicy Excerpt: A group of my critics put together a web site for the purpose of ridiculing me. I don’t approve. But I do listen in to what they say. You’re more likely to learn about the weaknesses of your ideas bylistening to your critics than you are by listening to people who think you are the tops.

One time these fellows asked a hard question.

They noted that I say that Valuation-Informed Indexing provides far higher returns than Buy-and-Hold. At greatly reduced risk. And that it is backed by 30 years of academic research, based on 140 years of stock market history. And that it is a less stressful way to invest. And that it lets those who follow it retire five to 10 years sooner than otherwise would be possible.

If all that is so, Rob, why aren’t there millions of people beating a path to your door?

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: buy-and-hold is dead, Investor Psychology

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