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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Beyond Buy-and-Hold #52 — The Social Taboo on Talking About the Realities of Stock Investing Is Holding Us Back

August 29, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #52 to my weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold column at the Out of Your Rut site. It’s called The Social Taboo on Talking About the Realities of Stock Investing Is Holding Us Back.

Juicy Excerpt: The Ban on Honest Posting is a Social Taboo that instructs us that we shall not discuss in public our sincere beliefs about the effects of valuations on long-term returns. Everyone I know, even the most ardent Buy-and-Holders, acknowledges that valuations matter. But few are willing to quantify this effect. Robert Shiller’s investing ideas are Politically Incorrect. It’s not that people think they are wrong. It’s that people believe it is wrong to even think about them or discuss them. There are five reasons why I view this Social Taboo as a disaster.

 

Filed Under: Beyond Buy-and-Hold Tagged With: ban on honest posting, Investor Psychology, stock investing realities, SWRs

Typos and the Even More Smelly Stuff

July 31, 2008 by Rob

This is another complaint about those dastardly Old School safe withdrawal rate studies. It might not seem to be such at first. It might seem that I have turned my attention elsewhere for a passing moment. But it is not so. Keep reading and you’ll see. It ends up being about SWRs, just as most everything else does in the HocoMind.

There’s an article at John Reed’s site in which he complains about readers who complain about typos in his self-published books. I cannot quite go along with what John says re the typos matter. It takes a lot of work to get all the typos out. But it’s rude not to do so. You are asking your reader to take time out of a busy day to read your words. The words need to be polished. Typos are smelly stuff.

That said, John is right on in the more important point that he is making in the article. He points out that the big publishers who apply the polish needed to get the typos out too often fail to get factual inaccuracies out. If typos are smelly stuff, what are factual inaccuracies? To get the facts wrong creates an even more offensive odor. There’s a thing called Priorities. If you are going to make the effort to get the typos out, you should also be making a more serious effort to get the factual inaccuracies out. There’s no sensible justification for doing otherwise.

I go a step farther than John. I say that book publishers should run a logic check on the arguments presented in their books. I’m not saying that all books should express the same viewpoint. If I were the head of a large publishing firm, I would publish lots of books that employed logic that was not my logic. But I would have standards. There are some ideas that are so weak that a publisher should not be putting its name to them. When you publish something, you are giving it a sort of endorsement. You are not saying that you agree with the arguments. But you are saying that the arguments possess at least the minimal merit required for you to put your company’s name on the jacket.

Now we get at last to the SWR part, the part that matters to aspiring early retirees.

The same lack of standards that John is saying applies in the publishing field applies triple in the investing field. I have been horrified to discover in recent years how low the standards are in this field.

Most middle-class investors I have spoken with have no idea how bad things are. No idea whatsoever.

My sense is that what most people do is to assume that the “experts” apply the same sorts of standards that they would apply if they were standing in their shoes. It doesn’t work like that. But most people assume it does. This is how we all came to find ourselves in the dangerous place we find ourselves in today.

Why do people trust the experts? It’s because they see trustworthy behavior. That fools them.

Say that you read a book put out by a big publisher and you note that it contains zero typos. You’re impressed. You understand that it must take some effort to get all the typos out and you are pleased to see that this book does not contain any. That builds trust. It is like seeing a job candidate who has taken the time to polish his shoes and read up on the company. You don’t believe everything in the book just because of that. But it certainly gets you leaning in the right direction.

The Old School studies get the numbers that people use to plan their retirements wildly wrong. People who retired at the top of the bubble were reading in the Old School studies that, if they went with a high stock allocation and planned on taking out 4 percent of their portfolio each year, their plans were “100 percent safe.” Analytically valid studies show that such retirements have only a one-in-three chance of surviving 30 years, according to the historical data. Millions of middle-class people are going to suffer one of the worst life setbacks imaginable because of these demonstrably false claims.

I have not been able to find anyone with any “juice” who cares much. I’d love to get an article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal telling people what we have learned so that we can save millions from suffering busted retirements. A typical response I have heard to my pitches to the major newspapers is the words I heard from a fellow at USA Today: “Not for us.”

Not for us. There are millions of people who are likely going to suffer busted retirements in days to come and who could be spared that fate by accurate reporting of what the historical data says. But the story is “not for us.” It certainly is not my intent here to pick on USA Today. As noted above, this has been a common reaction.

How come?

It’s because what we have discovered is not a typo. It’s far, far, far, far worse. If we had discovered a typo, the papers would be jumping on it. We would see banner headlines; there’s always room for more silliness in the papers. But a story that would help millions avoid one of the most terrible life setbacks imaginable? There’s only so much space and there’s been a lot going on lately, you know? Britney recently tried a new brand of shampoo. The people must be kept informed.

People focus too much on the petty stuff and care too little about the fundamental and truly important stuff.

Lots of people have asked me: “What calculation did they get wrong in the Old School SWR studies?” They didn’t get any calculation wrong. They got all the numbers wrong because the methodology ignores the most critical factor in determining what withdrawal rate is safe (the valuation level that applies on the start-date of the retirement). “Oh, that’s all. Well, call us if you come up with anything that would be of interest to our readers.”

The obvious question is — Why? Why do people in positions of responsibility care only about the petty stuff?

I think the explanation is that the petty stuff is easier to deal with. If someone gets a calculation wrong, it’s easy to say what needs to be done to get it fixed. If the studies that we have been using for many years now to plan our retirements get all the numbers wildly wrong, we’ve got a big job ahead of us. We’ve got millions of retirees we need to try to contact. We’ve got to rewrite all the textbooks. We’ve got to figure out how so many “experts” failed to notice this doozy of a mistake. We need to review the peer review process that let these whoppers through. We need to revisit all the investing advice rooted in the same model of how investing works, which is pretty much all of what we have been hearing for 25 years now.

The errors that were made in the Old School studies are a big, big, big, big story. Too big. Too big for lots of folks to take in. Too big for lots of folks to deal with. Too big for lots of folks to get worked up over. Too big for lots of folks to write up.

You’ve heard of the banks that the government has deemed too big to fail? The Old School SWR studies are the retirement studies that the investing “experts” have deemed too wildly inaccurate to correct.

The other side of the story is that I haven’t discovered any typos in any of them.

Yet.

If I ever do, watch out, world!

Today’s Passion: In the blog entry entitled Rocky Meets Bogle, I say that, if I saw Jack driving carelessly, I would yell out the window a suggestion that he slow down and perhaps invite him out for a Tony’s tomato pie in the bargain. My thought is that anyone who sees anything mean-spirited in that idea hasn’t had a Tony’s pie in too long a time.

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: investing experts, SWRs

“For You and Your New School SWR Studies
to Gain a Measure of Credibility…”

June 11, 2008 by Rob

Schroeder posted a comment to yesterday’s blog entry that I believe merits a blog entry of its own in response. His comment came in response to my observation that the Bogleheads wiki statement on safe withdrawal rates (SWRs) contains a link to an Old School SWR calculator but not to the only New School SWR calculator now available on the internet. Here is what he said:

“Actually, there are several links to Old School SWR studies. They have been authored by financial planning professionals and published in peer reviewed journals.

“Rob, you need to do the same. For you and your New School SWR studies to gain a measure of credibility, they need to be embraced by the financial planning community — both by practitioners in the field and journals read by both practitioners and academics.

“Another idea is to partner with someone who does have that credibility. I realize that the partners you have petitioned like Scott Burns and Jonathan Clements have not given you a warm reception. But surely, there must be others, right? How about Robert Shiller? That’s just one name that comes to mind. I’m sure you can think of dozens of other practitioners and academics who will partner with you.”

Schroeder is correct that there are many financial planning professionals who have endorsed the Old School SWR studies. This is an important fact and it is good that we remind those following our discussions of this reality from time to time.

Schroeder misstates the realities of what happened in my discussions with Scott Burns and Jonathan Clements.

Clements said that the Old School studies are “not the last word in SWR analysis,” in his view. That is obviously not an endorsement of the Goon position that posting on the flaws of the Old School studies should be banned at all Retire Early and Indexing boards. If the Old School studies are not the last word, we obviously should be seeking to learn how to enhance our understanding of SWRs.

Clements did not endorse The Retirement Risk Evaluator. But I think it would be fair to say that he endorsed the position of the thousands of community members who have expressed a desire that honest posting on the SWR topic be permitted on our boards. He is saying that we need to learn more. We obviously cannot learn more until the ban on honest posting is lifted.

For community members to be able to interact in an honest and informed way, they obviously need to know how the Risk Evaluator works and what it says. Hence, we need to see links to this tool in places like the Bogleheads wiki statement on SWRs. Clements is saying that we need to continue the learning process and the failure of the people who control what is put in the Bogleheads wiki statement to include a link hinders the learning process in a very serious way. It is the people who control what is put in the Bogleheads wiki statement who are rejecting what Clements has said on SWRs, not me (I of course look forward to the day when Clements goes a step further and endorses the Risk Evaluator).

Burns has written three columns on the New School research done by John Walter Russell. Mel Lindauer (co-author of The Bogleheads Guide to Investing) has compared those articles to the work of a journalist on the crime beat who reports on the actions of a serial killer. I don’t buy it. It is clear to me from the wording of his columns that Scott has reported on the New School findings because he sees great value in them. I am influenced by the fact that Scott has told me in private e-mail correspondence that he believes that John and I are right in what we say about SWRs. So Schroeder’s claim that Burns has not responded warmly to the New School concept (it was Burns who coined the “New School” terminology to make reference to our findings) is obviously more than a little bit off the mark.

The other side of the story is that Scott also has not endorsed the Risk Evaluator and Scott has indeed put forward some unkind words about me. He has described my efforts to get the Old School SWR studies corrected as “catastrophically unproductive.” He has said that “the whole idea that there is a new school of Safe Withdrawal Rates reeks of personal aggrandizement.” Yes, the guy who came up with the term “New School” mocks it. Beat that one in the irony department!

There is not one Scott Burns. There are two. If there were only one, the part of Scott Burns’ brain that understands that valuations affect SWRs and that the Old School numbers are thus wildly off the mark would tell the part that writes the column in the Dallas Morning News that millions of retirements are at risk of going bust and that this is the biggest story of his lifetime and that he had better get to work pumping out some columns.

And there is not one Jonathan Clements. There are two. If there were only one, the part of Jonathan Clements’ brain that understands that the Old School studies are not the last word in SWR analysis would be asking Rob Bennett for the details of the Campaign of Terror that has been used to block honest discussions of the need for improvements in the old SWR studies so that he could write the story up in The Wall Street Journal (now that Clements is no longer employed there, he would instead send an e-mail to one of his friends there tipping them off to the story that I let him know about in an e-mail).

This strange phenomenon in which the human personality is divided into two has not affected only Scott and Jonathan. I wrote a blog entry a little while back about something that happened to Rob Arnott (editor of the Financial Analysts Journal) at a recent conference of the sort of people who spend their working days constructing peer-reviewed SWR studies. He asked the group of 200 “experts” how many of them believed in the Efficient Market Theory. Not one raised his or her hand. He asked how many would be rooting the research they would be preparing when they got back to the office on Monday morning in the premises of the Efficient Market Theory. Nearly every one of the 200 raised his or her hand.

These are the people that Schroeder is telling me to contact for help with my credibility?

In the investing field?

Um — I think I might stick to the track I am on today. There’s lots of wonderful stuff done in the world of academia. There’s also a lot of gibberish produced in that world. My job is to sort out the good from the bad and report to you what I discover. My intent is to continue to do that job to the best of my ability and let my credibility take care of itself. I have a funny hunch that, given that I have discovered through that process that the Old School studies are wildly wrong, it does more for my credibility to report what the New School studies say than it would to endorse the Old School studies.

The reality is that there are scores of peer-reviewed studies that show that valuations affect long-term returns, probably hundreds. There is nothing that I have said about the investing realities that hadn’t been said thousands of times before I came along. And of course there are academics who report the realities. Another recent blog entry reported on a Capital Spectator article noting that: “a new generation of researchers took a fresh look at the random walk in the 1980s and 1990s and the accumulating tide of studies began to turn the academic tide.” More serial killers on the loose!

Valuations have been affecting long-term returns since long before the first Old School SWR study was a gleam in the eyes of the Trinity Study authors. Nothing has changed in recent years but the P/E10 value. When the P/E10 value is 24 (the number that applies today and one of the highest on record), it’s viewed as “rude” to comment on how stocks have performed since the beginning of time. It’s viewed as “kind” to tell people the sorts of fairy tales set forth in the Old School studies.

So be it.

But I’m not in the fairy-tale telling business. I write for people. When I click my words onto the computer screen, I have the image of a real live middle-class man or woman in mind as the person to whom I am directing the thoughts. The people who read my stuff matter to me. They have college educations to fund, retirements to finance, dreams of more fulfilling work that they could pursue if only they had a bit more money. I am going to tell the story straight to those people, smear attacks on my credibility be darned.

I understand Scott’s point that what the historical data says on SWRs is “information most people don’t want to hear.” That doesn’t matter to me. Or at least it doesn’t matter to me enough to make me go along with the idea that telling the story straight is “catastrophically unproductive.” I will post honestly or I will post not. There’s zero give on that one.

So I will continue to do my thing. John Walter Russell will continue to do his thing. Mel Lindauer will continue to do his thing. John Greaney will continue to do his thing. Schroeder will continue to do his thing. Scott Burns will continue to do his thing. Jonathan Clements will continue to do his thing (at a new place since he left the Journal recently). Life will go on, ob-la-di, ob-la-da.

The historical data will continue to say what it says. There is no Smear Campaign that can change that. The authors of the Old School studies got the number wrong, wildly wrong. Their error will cause millions of busted retirements in days to come in the event that stocks perform in the future anything at all as they have always performed in the past. And when we ask them to make corrections, we will hear word games in response. Har-de-har-har.

I write for people with a sincere desire to learn how to save and invest effectively. Thousands of them have expressed a desire that honest posting be permitted on our boards. I urge them to do what it takes to see that desire brought to fruition. It is these people, not the Goons, who built our boards. These people deserve better than they are getting today. A lot better.

I will continue to report accurately what the historical data says re SWRs. Deal with it, Goons.

Today’s Passion: The many community members who would like to see honest posting on SWRs permitted at our boards sound off in an article entitled Community Comments on Using Historical Data to Diminish Retirement Risks.

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The Boglehead Wiki Statement on Safe Withdrawal Rates

June 10, 2008 by Rob

The Bogleheads wiki contains the following statement on safe withdrawal rates (SWRs) under the heading “Controversy”:

“Unfortunately, the term ‘Safe Withdrawal Rate’ is necessarily an ambiguous term. This is because initial methods utilized historical data to statically determine what would have been safe given the actual results that past portfolios would have generated with the variables given. The next logical step, of course, was to use that information to predict future SWRs. Either use is technically correct, but one should always be sure to be clear whether the use is in reference to past or projected SWRs, so that unnecessary argument can be prevented.”

Set forth below are my reactions:

1) The statement is a positive development. There was a time when “defenders” of the Passive Investing approach were asserting that the Old School SWR studies are accurate. This statement implicitly (but not explicitly, to be sure) acknowledges that they are not. The SWR is the product of a mathematical calculation. It is obviously not possible for the Old School studies (which include no adjustment for the valuation level that applies at the beginning of the retirement) and the New School studies (which do) to both be accurate. For years, the Goons have asserted that anyone arguing that an adjustment for valuations is needed is “mentally ill.” This statement says that the New School studies are “technically correct.” This is a big advance from the former Goon position and represents an implicit acknowledgment that the Old School studies are analytically invalid (if it is “technically correct” to include a valuation adjustment to calculate the SWR, it is analytically invalid not to include such an adjustment).

2) The statement is logically incoherent. It is obviously not possible for both the Old School studies and the New School studies to be “technically accurate.” Either an adjustment for valuations is required to determine the SWR or it is not. The historical stock-return data shows beyond any reasonable doubt that a valuations adjustment is required. Many experts have confirmed this. For example, William Bernstein, author of The Four Pillars of Investing, has advised any investor giving thought to using one of the Old School studies to plan a retirement to “FuhGedDaBouDit!”

3) The statement is disingenuous. The statement asserts that the New School studies are “technically correct.” Yet the remainder of the wiki article contains references only to Old School studies. Did the Bogleheads that crafted the remainder of the article not bother to read the “Controversy” statement?

4) The statement is unhelpful to its readers. The statement does not include a link to The Retirement Risk Evaluator, the first New School SWR calculator. There is no excuse for the failure to provide such a critical link in a wiki treatment of this topic.

5) The statement is false. It is not so that the SWR phrase is “ambiguous.” The “safe withdrawal rate” is the withdrawal rate that is safe presuming that stocks perform in the future at least somewhat as they always have in the past. I have seen thousands of discussion–board threads in which investors saw references to safe withdrawal rates and were quite naturally led by them to believe that the matter being discussed was what withdrawal rate was safe. The Old School studies identify the withdrawal rate that would be safe in an imaginary world in which valuations have zero effect on stock returns. There is nothing “ambiguous” about the error made in these studies. It is a clear error and an obvious error and a highly significant error.

6) The statement is reckless. The statement appears in a wiki article that contains links (without warnings) to both the Greaney SWR study and to the FIRECalc SWR calculator. I notified Greaney of the errors in his study six years ago. I notified Bill Sholar, author of FIRECalc, of the errors in his calculator not too much later. Neither the Greaney study nor FIRECalc have been corrected in the time since. Both Greaney and Sholar have advocated bans on honest posting on SWRs at discussion boards at which they participate.

7) The statement is silly. It urges that “unnecessary argument” be avoided. I have had a front-row seat to the first six years of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate. I am not able to recall a single incident in which a poster supporting the idea that honest posting on SWRs be permitted on our boards engaged in any “unnecessary argument.” I witnessed tens of thousands of cases in which “defenders” of the Old School studies engaged in endless rounds of word games and abusive posting. The way to avoid unnecessary argument is for those now “defending” the Old School studies to urge corrections of the errors in them. Once the Old School studies are corrected, there is nothing to argue about.

8 ) The statement provides a false history of the development of our knowledge of how to calculate SWRs. Investing experts have been using the Old School studies to advise aspiring retirees for a good number of years now. The claim has always been that these studies report the SWR, not “what would have been safe” under the convoluted scenario described in the wiki statement. This is so for obvious reasons. An aspiring retiree is not seeking to learn what withdrawal rate “would have been safe” under some convoluted scenario; she is seeking to learn what withdrawal rate is safe for someone beginning a retirement at the time she is planning to begin her retirement. Even Ataloss, one of the lead Goons, has said that, if the Old School studies get the SWR number wrong, they are “worthless” (I view this as an overstatement, but I certainly do not believe that aspiring retirees should be using the Old School studies to determine what withdrawal rate to use in their plans).

9) The statement contains no apology to the thousands of fine community members in the Retire Early and Indexing communities who either participated honestly in our discussions or expressed a desire that honest posting be permitted. Given what these community members have been put through for six years now by the “defenders” of the Old School studies, an apology is obviously appropriate.

10) The statement does not explain the importance of our discovery that the Old School studies are analytically invalid. The Old School studies are the product of a Passive Investing mindset. Passive Investing advocates recommend that investors not adjust their stock allocations when valuations move from reasonable levels to dangerously overpriced levels. The Old School studies posit that the SWR is a constant number. The connection is clear; the idea that the SWR is a constant number follows from the idea that one’s stock allocation need not be adjusted when stocks go through dramatic price changes — the flaw in both claims is a belief that valuations don’t matter. Our finding that the Old School studies are analytically invalid throws serious doubt on all valuation-related claims made by those advocating Passive Investing, not just the Old School SWR claims.

11) The statement contains no discussion of a publicity campaign to warn the retirees taken in by the false claims of the Old School studies. This is our most pressing need today. The point of learning about investing is to help investors to avoid falling into traps. The point of SWR analysis is to prevent retirees from suffering busted retirements. What purpose is served by talking about the “controversy” without outlining the steps that need to be taken for the controversy to lead to positive action?

12) The statement does not explore the implications of our SWR findings. Our finding that the Old School studies get the number wrong served as the beginning of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate, not as its ending. The Stock-Return Predictor is the product of these discussions. We have been using what we learned about retirement investing from our examination of the flaws in the Old School studies to develop tools and strategies to help investors in the asset accumulation stage for some time now.

13) The statement ignores the Goon phenomenon. It is impossible to discuss The Great Debate in a fair and complete and accurate and balanced way without making reference to the role played by the Goons and by the site administrators, experts, and ordinary investors who have tolerated their presence in our community for so long now.

14) The statement fails to discuss investor emotions. It is clear from our discussions that many of today’s stock investors are emotionally invested in stocks and in all likelihood will remain so for so long as prices remain at sky-high levels. This is a reality of critical importance to any informed understanding of the “controversy” that has evidenced itself in our investing discussions of recent years.

15) The statement offers no recommendations for dealing with the abusive posting that has destroyed or damaged a number of Retire Early and Indexing boards. Again, why not address the practical?

It’s not a perfect statement. The reality remains, however, that it evidences an inching in the right direction. At this rate of progress, honest posting will be permitted at all the boards well before the close of the 23rd Century.

I’m joking! I do see positive signs and I think it is fair to classify this statement as one. We need more, a lot more. But progress is being made over time and it’s every bit as much a mistake to become too pessimistic as it is to become too optimistic. Let’s hope that a good number of our fellow community members are taken aback by this wiki statement and prompted by it to study the SWR matter in a good bit more depth. I see it as being entirely possible that that will happen and in that event the statement will end up pushing things forward. Let us pray!

Today’s Passion: Dallas Morning News Columnist Scott Burns has described my efforts to get the Old School SWR studies corrected as “catastrophically unproductive.” No, honestly!

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Unmentionables

October 3, 2006 by Rob

Scott Burns puts forward tantalizing hints but doesn’t dare to tell the full story.

William Bernstein took a chance by stating it pretty darn clearly one time and is not inclined to take a bigger one by stating it pretty darn clearly a second time.

John Bogle says enough to permit those who want to know the realities figure them out for themselves, but holds back enough to permit those who do not to remain in the temporary comfort of the darkness.

Jonathan Clements knows enough to see that there is a big story out there, but elects to spend his time pursuing less controversial topics.

I mentioned in yesterday’s blog entry that: “We don’t want it shoved in our faces just how bad things have gotten, just how irresponsible we have been in bidding up stock prices to such absurd levels in recent years.”

It’s a big story that as of yet has not been widely reported. I don’t mean the fact that stocks are overvalued. That’s been written about some. I mean how upset it makes people to think about it, and how much anger some experience when they hear it discussed in a clear and direct and understandable and undeniable way.

The conventional thinking on stocks is that stock investing is primarily a rational endeavor. I challenge anyone to devote 15 minutes to reading the transcript of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate and to continue to maintain afterwards that stock investing is primarily a rational endeavor. The debate transcript shows that stock investing is primarily an emotional endeavor. I mean, come on.

What are we going to do about it?

I propose that we learn more about it.

Learning that stock investing is primarily an emotional endeavor changes everything. It compels a different starting point for the analysis of every possible investing question. Change all of the starting points, and you change all of the end points.

It would not be overstating things all that much to say that everything we thought we knew five years ago about investing has turned out to be at least a little bit wrong. We’ve got some challenging work ahead of us. Some exciting opportunities to make the world a better place now appear before us too.

Burns, Bernstein, Bogle and Clements are four of the best. Each of them has played a role in the development of the insights we have generated during The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate. Thanks, guys!

Each of them has pulled back from exploring in depth those insights on his own. Way to drop the ball, guys!

I have hopes that we are not going to drop the ball. I have hopes that we are going to hold onto the ball for a run all the way into the end zone.

If it were easy to tell the full truth about stock investing, Burns, Bernstein. Bogle and Clements would have already done it. It’s not easy. We’re going to do it anyway. That’s why we set up this community in the first place, is it not? That’s the job we have taken on, is it not?

The first step is to figure out why Burns, Bernstein, Bogle and Clements have shied away from the task. What are they afraid is going to happen if they tell it straight, with no chaser?

My sense is that they are afraid that telling the stock investing story straight and full and true would make make their readers angry at them. It’s one thing to talk about how stocks work. It’s a very different thing to talk about how people work, especially when part of the story that needs to be told relates to how people sometimes mess up.

People got us to the P/E10 level that we are at today. Isn’t it just like those darn humans to do something like that? Look into a problem deeply enough, and it always seems to turn out that it’s the humans who are at the center of the mess-up!

The humans messed up in a big way. That’s the big Unmentionable in the field of investing analysis today. The human factors are the Unmentionables because it’s humans who buy the newspapers and attend the speeches and subscribe to the newsletters and all that sort of thing.

We all want our fellow humans to like us, and, if we start telling them that they messed up, they might not. So many of the best investing analysts have elected not to say too much about it and to be less than clear and direct in what little they do say.

We need to be charitable. We need to be balanced. We need to be diplomatic. We need to tell the story, though. We need to mention the Unmentionables. It’s an important part of the investing story. The story as a whole does not make sense unless this aspect of it is addressed in some depth.

You might want to click on your seat-belt. It promises to be a rocky ride. We’re going to be doing some truth-telling around this place in the days and weeks and months and years to come.

Our mission, if we elect to accept it (and we have so elected) is — To tell the part of the stock investing story that Burns and Bernstein and Bogle and Clements have never quite possessed the courage to tell.

Wish me — I mean us! — luck!

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Year Five

May 12, 2006 by Rob

We enter Year Five of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate at 10:40 AM (Eastern Time) on Saturday. Here are three topics that I hope we will see explored in more depth during the next 12 months of our community discussions:

1) We know that middle-class participation in the stock market increases in Bull Markets and diminishes in Bear Markets. Thus, many middle-class investors never see in real life the juicy returns promised on paper to long-term buy-and-hold investors. To what extent can the effect of this reality be measured statistically? Is the true safe withdrawal rate for those who go with high stock allocations at times of high valuations a good bit lower than even the numbers being reported by analyses that make adjustments for valuations (but not for sales of stocks made after prices drop)?;

2) When middle-class investors sell, what group of investors is it that is doing the buying? Is there a small group of wealthy, valuation-informed investors that buys up the shares no longer wanted by middle-class investors who went with excessively high stock allocations at times of high prices? Do corporations buy back shares that they issued at higher price levels, increasing the value of the shares held by investors who do not sell?; and

3) How valid are concerns that those following the Valuation-Informed Indexing approach may “miss out” on the strong returns generally available to stock investors by lowering their stock allocations at times of high valuations? Does there come a point at which an investor would have been better off having maintained his higher stock allocation even after taking into account the substantial losses he suffers by doing so when valuations return to moderate levels?

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What We’re Up Against in Trying
to Fix Today’s Retirement Planning Tools

February 20, 2006 by Rob

A recent thread on the Morningstar discussion board on “Investing During Retirement” provides a good sense of what we’re up against in our effort to get the publishers of today’s retirement planning tools to correct the grave flaws in them that we have uncovered in recent years.

The thread was started by a poster who goes by the screen-name “bob09245.” Bon owns the “Bob’s Financial Website” site and is a popular poster at the Morningstar boards.

I saw that Bob had provided a link at his site to the FIRECalc retirement calculator (a calculator based on a conventional- methodology safe withdrawal rate study) and so I asked him if he would be willing to also put up a link to materials explaining why the conventional methodology numbers are so far off the mark from the numbers obtained from any of the analytically valid safe withdrawal rate methodologies.

Bob doesn’t dispute our finding that changes in valuation levels have a big effect on long-term stock returns. His view is that this finding “intuitively makes sense.”

So Bob supports our effort to let aspiring retirees know of the dangers of today’s “highly misleading” (William Bernstein’s phrase) retirement planning tools, right?

Well, actually, no.

If anything, my sense from reading the thread is that Bob is hostile to the idea of correcting the false safe withdrawal rate claims put forward in studies and calculators that he links to at his site. It sounds to me as if Bob thinks it is just fine that millions of retirements are going to go bust because of the flaws in today’s tools (I am assuming here that stocks may perform in the future somewhat in the way in which they always have in the past).

The story gets even stranger.

One of the things that seems to bother Bob about our initiative is that I am leading it and that I acknowledge that I am about as far removed from being a Numbers Guy as it is possible to be. It appears from the comments he makes in the thread (and from the materials published at his web site) that Bob is a bit of a Numbers Guy. Intuitively, I would expect a Numbers Guy to be more upset about studies reporting demonstrably false numbers. But it is me, the non-Numbers Guy, who comes across in the thread as being far more concerned.

You figure it out.

There are a number of good posts put forward in the thread by a number of people making reasonable, commonsense observations. One that shocks and astounds and amazes me (given what is said elsewhere by the same poster) is a comment put forward by a poster using the screen-name “Jason375.”

Jason argues that, given the increases in S&P valuations we saw in the late 1990s, it would have been “foolish” for any retiree to have believed that a 4 percent withdrawal rate was safe for a high-S&P portfolio used in a retirement beginning in early 2000. So Jason is offering us whatever help he can to advance our effort to get out the word about the studies that were telling investors at the time that this foolish (and exceedingly dangerous–the data shows that retirees who put their confidence in what the conventional studies said was safe in January 2000 have a better than 50 percent chance of going bust in days to come) move was in fact “100 percent safe” (yes, there are indeed retirement planning tools on the market today that make this transparently absurd claim).

Well, actually, no.

Jason asks elsewhere in the same post: “How can one be so certain that 4% is wrong….?”

Huh?

Those using the studies to plan their retirements are “foolish” for doing so, but the authors of the studies are possibly not in the wrong to put forward the highly misleading and highly dangerous claims they put forward in them? This takes the concept of blaming the victim to a whole new level.

Again, you figure it out.

The poster named “Gnobility” offers us a third illustration of what we are up against in trying to get the word out on the flaws of the dangerous conventional methodology studies and calculators. Longtime Financial Freedom Blog readers will recall that I wrote about Gnobilitys Retire Early plan in my December 12, 2005, blog entry.

Gnobility was kind enough to post for the benefit of the community a PDF document that was a 19-page write-up of his personal Retire Early plan. He said that the reason he put up the post was to get feedback and use it in conversations with his wife in which they would work the plan just a little bit harder.

Gnobility used conventional methodology numbers in his plan. I let him know that this is a dangerous thing to do. I did for the guy what he was hoping some fellow community member might do for him–I gave him constructive feedback on a point that, unless he corrects it, stands a good chance of causing his plan to fail in days to come.

So when a post with Gnobility’s name on it appears on the thread, it is to thank me for helping out a fellow community member in need, right?

Well, actually, no.

I think it would be fair to describe the words that appear in the post with Gnobility’s name on it as exceedingly strange, given the history between us.

Again, you figure it out.

If you come up with anything good, please let me know.

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“You Guys [Using Today’s Retirement
Planning Tools] Are Nuts!”

February 17, 2006 by Rob

So said “imfelbi” in a post to the Motley Fool board in the very earliest days of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate. One of our Numbers Guys had done a sensitivity study showing that the results of the conventional-methodology studies are highly unreliable. Imfelbi argued that: “I would rather work a few more years than cut it so close.”

Today, imfelbi has another choice. Today, we know how to calculate safe withdrawal rates accurately. That’s part of the message that we want to get out through the “Save the Retirements!” initiative too.

Here is a list of ten important insights that we developed in the first 45 months of our discussions:

1) Timing Doesn’t Work. You no doubt already know this. But do you know why timing doesn’t work? Many people believe that the reason why timing doesn’t work is that stock returns are unpredictable. Not so. Stock returns are highly predictable. So why does timing not work? Because it takes years for the laws of probability to assert themselves. Just as it is possible for the house to lose money to a gambler who pulls a slot-machine lever only ten times, it is possible for overvalued stocks to go even higher (or for undervalued stocks to go even lower) over the course of one or two or three years. In the long run, though, valuations matter big time.

2) Timing Works. In confirming the finding that short-term timing doesn’t work and determining why that is so by studying the historical stock-return data, we learned something far more important — go out far enough for the laws of probability to assert themselves and timing does work. So you can’t know in advance how stocks are going to do in the next one or two or three years. Who cares? We are long-term buy-and-hold investors. We want to know how stocks are going to do in 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years. Within a reasonable margin of error, we can.

3) Stocks Are Safer Than Most People Think. Most investors do not know that long-term timing works. That means that most investors are taking a gamble with their money when they invest in stocks. There’s no need to gamble. So long as you are a long-term investor and so long as you invest in index funds, you can have a darn good sense on the day you make the investment of what sort of long-term return you are going to obtain. That’s cool.

4) Stocks Are More Risky Than Most People Think. The other side of the story is that there are times when the long-term returns likely to be obtained by purchasing an index fund are not so hot. Stocks are generally less risky than most people think. But at times like today, stocks are more risky than most people think.

5) Stocks Are Like Cheerios. It turns out that stocks are like just about any other asset you can purchase. Those of us seeking financial freedom early in life know that the key is making good use of our money. We buy cars just like everybody else, but we aim to obtain a strong value proposition when we do. We buy houses just like everybody else, but we aim to obtain a strong value proposition when we do. Now we know to apply the same logic to our stock purchases.

6) It’s All About Income Streams. Much of what you hear about stocks in the general media is noise. Experts go on and on about all sorts of issues, but the end result often is to leave you more confused about what to do with your money than you were when you started. Our safe withdrawal rate research has taught us to focus on income streams. The purpose of investing is to provide you an income that you can live on separate from the income you earn from the work you do. Focus on income streams, and you can make sense of the investing project.

7) Cash Is A Strategic Asset Class. Lots of people make fun of those who invest in things like ibonds and TIPS. Not us aspiring early retirees. We know that putting some of our money in cash when stock prices are high permits us to buy more stocks when prices are better. Putting cash to strategic use allows us to win financial freedom years or even decades sooner than would otherwise be possible.

8 ) The Biggest Risks Are Emotional In Nature. You often hear experts say that, to obtain a strong return from your investments, you need to be willing to take on risk. Yes and no. You do need to be willing to take on some risk. But the biggest investing rewards go to those able to gain sufficient control over their emotions not to overreact when stock prices get too high (by buying too much stock) or when stock prices get too low (by selling too much stock). Use our findings from the historical data to rein in your emotions, and you can enjoy better long-term returns than those who take on far more risk (by buying lots of stock when prices are high).

9) Stocks Really Do (and Do Not) Provide a Real Long-Term Return of 6.8 Percent. Many stock investors take comfort in claims that stocks provide a long-term real return of 6.8 percent. That’s so. For stocks purchased at times of high valuation, however, it can take a long time to get to that 6.8 percent return. If you only expect to be alive for another 30 or 40 years, it may not happen in your lifetime. The historical data can give you an idea of how long it is going to take to attain whatever return you are seeking from stocks. That’s a big help for those putting together plans to live off the income streams generated by their investments.

10) Dividends Matter. When retirements fail, it is usually because the retiree had to sell stocks when prices were down to cover his living expenses. Stocks that pay good dividends provide a regular income stream that gets you through the down times without having to sell shares. Dividend-paying stocks are a different sort of investment class than non-dividend-paying stocks, one that allows investors to enjoy the good side of stocks while avoiding much of the bad side.
Let’s get about the business of taking our exciting findings of recent years to the Big Bad World outside of the friendly confines of the Financial Freedom Community discussion boards.

Save the Retirements!

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“The SWR Emporor Is Wearing No Clothes”

February 16, 2006 by Rob

That’s a phrase that appeared in a post to the Early Retirement Forum put up by a poster named “Mikey.” (He now uses the screen-name “HaHa”).

I thought that was a good way of pointing out how lame the arguments are that are used by defenders of retirement planning tools based on the findings of conventional-methodology safe withdrawal rate studies. Here is a list of ten of the arguments most frequently advanced by defenders of today’s highly misleading and highly dangerous retirement planning tools, along with my thoughts on why those arguments are less than persuasive:

1) No one puts any confidence in the numbers generated by retirement planning tools. If that were so, why would people bother to produce them? Why would people go to web sites looking for them?

2) People don’t rely solely on the flawed tools in planning their retirements. That’s so. But how does that justify misleading people as to what the historical stock-return data says about safe withdrawal rates? It doesn’t.

3) The tools are only meant to provide rules of thumb. Even accurate tools only provide rules of thumb. No methodology is so powerful that it allows us to see into the future. Still, reports of what the historical data says should be accurate.

4) Everybody provides false numbers in their retirement planning tools. We all have mothers who have pointed out to us the flaws of the “everybody else is doing it!” defense. It’s not so, in any event. William Bernstein reported the safe withdrawal rate accurately in his book. Scott Burns reported it accurately in his column. John Walter Russell reported it accurately at his web site.

5) The people saying that valuations matter might be wrong. All of them? All wrong? Peter Bernstein got it all wrong? And Rob Arnott got it all wrong? And Scott Burns got it all wrong? And John Walter Russell got it all wrong? And William Bernstein got it all wrong? And Andrew Smithers got it all wrong? I don’t think so. All of these people no doubt have gotten some things wrong. But if any of them are right even on the basics of the safe withdrawal rate topic, most of today’s retirement planning tools need to be fixed.

6) If we report the numbers accurately, we will get complaints from people who would like the numbers to be higher. This is an argument that Bill Sholar, publisher of the FIRECalc retirement calculator, pulled out of his trick bag in a discussion recently held at the Early Retirement Forum. The entire point of using historical stock-return data to determine what is safe is to root your retirement plans in something objective. Retirement planning tools that rely on public opinion polls to determine what withdrawal rates are safe are not the products of science. They are the products of science fiction.

7) Retirees can cut back on spending when their retirements look like they are going to fail. The point of planning a retirement is to avoid the need for big spending cutbacks after you hand in your resignation. Planning tools should not be designed so that cutbacks are going to be required in the event that stocks perform in the future much in the way in which they always have in the past.

8 ) People are not prepared to accept what the historical data really says about the long-term returns likely to be provided by stocks purchased at times of high valuations. This is true to a point. But it is not entirely so. We have heard hundreds of Financial Freedom Community members express a desire to know the realities of what the historical data says. In any event, it is better for people who are over-invested in stocks to deal with whatever emotions they experience in learning that when they still have the option of selling some shares at good prices.

9) People will lose hope that they will be able to retire if we use accurate numbers in our retirement planning tools. Not so. The historical data shows that retirees willing to make adjustments in their stock allocations can obtain a safe withdrawal rate of 4 percent even with stocks at the valuation levels they are at today.

10) There’s a chance that the retirements that are being planned based on the flawed retirement planning tools will survive anyway. This is so. However, it does not justify telling aspiring retirees that withdrawal rates that are risky are safe. The words “safe” and “risky” are not synonyms. They are antonyms.

Mikey got it right.

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We Need Our Story on the Front Page
of the Wall Street Journal

February 14, 2006 by Rob

I explained in yesterday’s blog entry that it has been four years since William Bernstein drew our attention to the grave flaws in most retirement planning tools. The tools have been proven dangerous to the aspiring retirees who make use of them. We need to get them fixed or taken off the market altogether.

How do we get from where we are today to where we need to be?

I noted yesterday that it is not one or two or three retirement planning tools that are flawed. It is most of them. There are scores of calculators and studies reporting bad numbers to aspiring retirees. We need to get them all off the market.

It sounds like quite a challenge, and it is certainly fair to say that this effort is going to take a good bit of time and a good bit of work. I don’t think that our “Save the Retirements!” initiative will turn out to be quite so daunting an endeavor as it might appear to be on first impression, however.

We have been discussing the flaws of the retirement planning tools for fours years now in the Financial Freedom Community discussion boards. In all that time, no one has come up with a single reasoned argument or a single sliver of historical data supporting the la-la land assumptions used in these calculators and studies. How then is it that the tools have not already been taken off the market?

The thing that has kept the false studies and calculators around for so long is that there are so many of them. Ask the creator of Tool A to report what the historical data says accurately, and he says: “Oh, there are lots of other tools saying just the same thing.” Ask one of the others to fix his tool, and he says: “Hey, Tool A says just the same thing, why should I be singled out?”

The flawed retirement planning tools today all stand together, and the flawed retirement planning tools someday will all fall together. Persuade the creator of one or two of these tools to make the necessary corrections, and all of the others will feel exposed. Fix one inaccurate calculator, and you fix them all. Fix one inaccurate study, and you fix them all.

So we don’t actually need to fix scores of bad retirement planning tools. We only need to fix a few, and the ball will be rolling on its way to where we want it to go.

How do we get those first few studies fixed?

It’s not going to happen as the result of me insisting on action in my blog entries. We need the sort of pressure that can be brought to bear by getting big-time publicity directed at the problem. We need an article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times.

That’s not something we can pull off in a day or a week or a month. You don’t get two chances to pitch an idea to a reporter for the Wall Street Journal. We need to build our case until it is absolutely rock-solid and absolutely clear and absolutely compelling. When the case is strong enough, then we pull the trigger and contact a reporter at the Wall Street Journal and watch the dominos start to fall.

I don’t mean that we need to build our case on the merits. That case is rock-solid today. What we need to do is to think through how best we can present the case to make the story compelling to readers of the Wall Street Journal. What is it that the typical reasonably informed investor most needs to know about the flaws of today’s retirement planning tools? How can we illustrate the problem so that the importance of the story can be conveyed in the fewest possible words?

Answering those questions should be our focus for the next few months. First, we determine how it is that we need to present our case. Then we make a few test runs, getting our story placed in smaller and more accessible media outlets. Then we take our “Save the Retirements!” story to The Big Show.

It’s time for a product recall. Let’s all put our heads together and come up with some creative ideas for getting the word out to the people who most need to be warned of the dangers of today’s highly misleading and highly dangerous retirement planning tools.

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