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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“Shiller’s Findings Would Not Have Been Considered Revolutionary Had an Entire Industry Not Already Been Built Teaching the Opposite Belief. The Battle Between Buy-and-Holders and Valuation-Informed Indexers Is Not an Intellectual Debate. The Battle Is a Turf Battle.”

February 16, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

“But I don’t see that you have offered any justification for the belief outside of your assertion of it”

That statement applies to almost everything you post. When anyone asks you to back up a single thing, you merely reference something you posted.

There’s only one thing that I believe that you don’t, Sammy — I believe that valuations affect long-term returns. That’s the opposite of what Buy-and-Holders believe — Buy-and-Holders believe that the market is efficient (that is, that it is impossible for the market ever to be overvalued or undervalued because investors always collectively act in their self-interest and price things properly).

We start from differing starting points and so we end in very different places. That’s the entire story.

I wouldn’t say that I ask anyone to take my core belief on faith. Shiller showed with peer-reviewed research that valuations affect long-term returns But I do acknowledge that millions of good and smart people believe in Buy-and-Hold in the sense that they follow it themselves (whether these people possess a true confidence in their strategy or not is a different question).

And I of course acknowledge that Eugene Fama was awarded a Nobel prize on the same day that Robert Shiller was awarded one. So a good case could be made that both Buy-and-Hold and Valuation-Informed Indexing are academically respected strategies. What I find shameful about Buy-and-Hold is how many of those who believe in it engage in abusive behavior to block millions from hearing about the alternative strategy and how many more fail to speak up when they see their fellow Buy-and-Holders engaging in such tactics.

If you were to list the 20 most important beliefs about how stock investing works, you would find that you and I agree re 19 of them. We disagree only about the most important one of all, the one that has the greatest influence on whether an investor experiences long-term success — whether it is true that the market is efficient or that valuations affect long-term returns.

I believe that the idea that the market is efficient was a MISTAKE that was made because index funds were not available at the time Fama did his research and that, had Fama never done the research that was misinterpreted as showing that no form of market timing is required, every investor who today follows a Buy-and-Hold strategy would today be following a Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy because of what we learned when Shiller published his “revolutionary” (his word) findings of 1981. Those findings would not have been considered revolutionary had an entire industry not already been built teaching the opposite belief.

The battle between Buy-and-Holders and Valuation-Informed Indexers is not an intellectual debate. All of the intellectual content supports Valuation-Informed Indexing. The battle is a turf battle. Buy-and-Hold makes mountains of money for those who promote it and the rich and powerful people who promote the strategy don’t want to give up that money.

That’s my sincere belief re these terribly important matters, in any event.

I naturally wish you all the best that this life has to offer a person.

Rob

Filed Under: Investing Experts

“The New Ideas Won’t Spread Until Some of Us Work Up the Courage to Stand Up to You Goons. Each Time One of Us Works Up the Courage to Do So, It Makes All the Others Thinking About It Feel More Confident About Doing So. We All Need to Stick Up for Each Other. That’s How the Good Guys Prevail in the End and How the Bad Guys Get Sent Down.”

February 15, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

I’ve noticed that the more evasive you want to be, the more words you type. I imagine that behavior leads to bans.

My policy of responding to a high percentage of Goon posts had indeed contributed to the bannings, in my assessment, Dan.

Please know that I do NOT respond to all Goon posts. I ignore those that contain zero useful content, just pure abusiveness. Those people can see through. So I don’t see any need to type words of my own in those cases.

However, a frequent Goon trick is to mix up a high percentage of garbage with a small amount of real stuff. For example, they might write a post saying “is this a conspiracy?” That’s a legitimate question. Lots of people are stumped by that one. If there really is 35 years of peer-reviewed research showing that valuations affect long-term returns, how is it that Buy-and-Hold still exists? Non-Goons have that question in their minds. So we need to answer it. I try to do so even when it is clear that the person asking the question has no good intent.

We need to call the Goons out on their b.s. Ignoring them does NOT do the trick. Their aim is to disrupt conversations. The ugly stuff drives people away. Most people just cannot stand all the ugliness. When people leave boards because of their nastiness and the conversations stop, that’s a win for the Goons. They are happy with that result. All the rest of us miss out on great learning experiences. But the Goons get what they want when we ignore them.

So I try not to do that except in the most extreme cases (when there is zero content). Those of us who write about research-based strategies have every right in the world to share our thoughts at every discussion board and blog on the internet. I always follow the rules. I know from interactions with many thousands of people that there is HUGE interest in Valuation-Informed Indexing. But the new ideas won’t spread until some of us work up the courage to stand up to you Goons. So I make a sincere effort to do that.

I don’t want anyone to be afraid to post honestly. Each time one of us works up the courage to do so, it makes all the others thinking about it feel more confident about doing so. We all need to stick up for each other. That’s how the good guys prevail in the end and how the bad guys get sent down. Today, those who post honestly are quiet and timid and the gooniest among us are loud and bold. We need to flip that to learn what we all need to learn about how stock investing works in the real world.

Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold strategies don’t just destroy our investment portfolios. They rot out our souls.

That’s my sincere take re these terribly important matters, in any event.

My best and warmest wishes to you and yours.

Rob

Filed Under: Lindauer/Greaney Goons

“I Look at the Same 14 Years of Abuse and Observe That That Abuse Is What Has Kept Lots of Other Smart and Good People From Walking the Path That I Have Walked and Thereby Has Left a Mountain of High-Dollar Opportunities Open to Me”

February 14, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

You don’t like anything that doesn’t fit with your fantasy. When you go 14 years without making a dime and the people get fed up enough that they have to ban you from almost every board, you would think that reality would step in. It seems you have gone to extreme lengths to avoid having to back to work, instead of spending your day playing out a fantasy on your computer keyboard.

The message is simple. Go get a job and support your family. Calling people goons doesn’t put food on the table.

14 years sounds like a lot of time when considered in isolation. The full reality here is that it is not that big a deal when the size of the advance in our understanding of how stock investing works is taken into consideration. Shiller’s “revolutionary” (that’s his word) findings have been for practical purposes ignored for 35 years now. The other and more positive way of looking at it is that we will all obtain access to 35 years of peer-reviewed insights in a single 24-hour time-period when we collectively work up the courage to call out the Buy-and-Holders on their b.s., Sammy.

It’s all in how you look at it. You look at the 14 years of Goon attacks and say “hey, we really taught that Rob Bennett fellow not to mess with Buy-and-Hold, huh?” I look at the same 14 years of abuse and observe that that abuse is what has kept lots of other smart and good people from walking the path that I have walked and thereby has left a mountain of high-dollar opportunities open to me.

I would never say that I am happy about the Goon stuff. I am not. I oppose it. But it’s an ill wind that carries no good in it. Going 14 years without making a dime has been a trial. I don’t say otherwise. But I am extremely proud of the work that I have done and honored to have been called to do it and grateful that I live in a country where I am certain to be very well compensated for it in the long term. That’s what counts in the end, no? It’s Jack Bogle that taught me to focus on the long term. I am 100 percent sure that the big guy got that one right.

But we’ll see, you know? We can watch together as it all plays out in real time. I naturally wish you all the best of luck with it.

Rob

Filed Under: Rob Bennett

“Steve Jobs Did Not Make His Fortune Posting on Message Boards. Bill Gates Did Not Make His Fortune Posting on Message Boards. But They Both Did Something Similar to What I Did. They Used a New Technology to Improve the World in a Very Big Way and They Were Properly Compensated for Their Efforts.”

February 13, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

I haven’t earned a dime with this for 14 years.”

Were you expecting to earn a living by posting on message boards?

Why on earth did you quit your job at the age of 43 without adequate savings? Why didn’t you just go back to work when you found out your plan wasn’t working?

Of course I was expecting to earn living from the work that I have done in the investing field. And of course I still do. And of course I base that expectation on a mountain of evidence.

You engage in deception when you employ the phrase “posting on message boards.” The suggestion is that there is something odd about a plan to make millions of dollars by posting on message boards. There isn’t. Message boards are a new communications medium of great potential to change the world for the better. The pioneers who master use of the new medium will be compensated well for their efforts. I have found myself in circumstances in which I stand to make a lot of money by mastering the new medium. I intend to take advantage of this huge opportunity. Why shouldn’t I?

Steve Jobs did not make his fortune posting on message boards. Bill Gates did not make his fortune posting on message boards. But they both did something similar to what I did. They used a new technology to improve the world in a very big way and they were properly compensated for their efforts. If Steve Jobs had said “I intend to make my fortune by creating an iphone,” many would have thought that sounded odd because no one knew at that time what an iphone was. Now that Jobs has done what he set out to do, they know. Now there is nothing perceived as odd about his plan.

I learned by my participation at a message board (the Retire Early board at Motley Fool) that there are many people who see value in calculating the safe withdrawal rate when planning their retirements. I learned through my own planning efforts that the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies are rooted in error. Shiller showed in 1981 that valuations must be considered when estimating future returns but the Buy-and-Hold studies do not contain adjustments for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirements begins.

I pointed out the error in a post that I advanced on the morning of May 13, 2002, and the board exploded in excitement. Hundreds of posters came forward to thank me profusely for putting forward the most important post in the history of the forum; they had learned something very important about how retirement planning works in the real world that none of the experts in this field had ever bothered to tell them.

The Buy-and-Holders reacted strangely. They threatened to kill family members of any posters who posted honestly on the subject of retirement planning at a retirement planning board. I think it would be fair to say that the Buy-and-Holders know themselves on some level of consciousness that the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies do not contain valuation adjustments. There is no other possible explanation for their behavior.

Over time I have had thousands of people contact me and thank me for my efforts in the most profuse ways possible. I have had numerous economics professors tell me that they are going to add my insights about how stock investing works in the real world to their course materials. I of course always express gratitude for these kind votes of confidence. But I also always ask an obvious question: Why don’t these professors go out into the world and tell EVERYONE what they have learned in a very public and clear and simple and bold way?

The answer is — We didn’t have message boards back in 1981 when Bogle learned that the Buy-and-Hold Model was rooted in error. Bogle couldn’t bear to accept that he had made a big mistake (we all of course make mistakes — by itself this is no biggie) and so he went into cover-up mode. And, because we didn’t have discussion boards, the cover-up succeeded for 21 years until I came on the scene in May 2002. Then I put up my fateful post of the morning of May 13, 2002, and the world of investing knowledge changed in a very dramatic way.

Everything at my site exists because of what I have learned from my interactions with thousands of other investors on message boards, Sammy. I have talked to the biggest-name experts in the field and they have endorsed my work. I have worked with people with greater statistical skills than I possess to create calculators that exist nowhere else on the internet or off. I have explored in great depth the psychology that permits investors to kid themselves into thinking that Buy-and-Hold strategies might somehow work regardless of the mountain of evidence otherwise. I have written hundreds of columns examining every aspect of what we have learned over the past 35 years and added to my own knowledge by adjusting my thinking in response to the feedback that I have received from interested readers (including you Goons!) posting on MESSAGE BOARDS.

I love message boards. I obviously don’t like the abusive stuff that you Goons use to disrupt the conversations that people with good intent are trying to hold on them. But message boards themselves are wonderful. They allow for learning experiences that could not be created in the days when all we had available to us was newspapers and radio and television.

We have rules at all our message boards that prohibit the tactics that you Goons have employed to hold us all back. I am 100 percent certain that those rules will be reasonably enforced in the days following the next price crash. And then we are all off to the races. We couldn’t have done what we have done without message boards. And of course I will be making a mountain of money by virtue of being one of the pioneers in the constructive use of this powerful new communications medium.

And of course there will be many other entrepreneurially minded people joining in as the opportunities become more clear and more compelling. I invite any of such person to contact me to ask about how they can get on board this exciting ride to the future. I was blessed to be put in the circumstances in which I was put. I haven’t enjoyed the nasty stuff. But I think it would be fair to say that the good stuff here has been 50 times more good than the bad stuff here has been bad. And I think it would be fair to say that that rule will end up applying for every single person who gets involved in a positive and helpful and life-affirming way.

I hope that helps a bit, my long-time Goon friend.

Rob

Filed Under: Rob Bennett

Kirk Clements: “It Is Very Interesting As a Practitioner to Try to Point Out the Errors of Academic Finance to Professors That Admit It Is All Wrong But Easy to Teach. I Fear That the Advisory Business Lives By That Rule – It Is All Wrong But Easy to Indoctrinate the People Into Buy-and-Hold.”

February 10, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

It has always been that way.

I was brought into the brokerage business because the head office noticed that I was doing arbitrage trades that their research department had not thought of yet. I got to look at the business from behind the scenes until the crash in 87. I was short index futures hedged with index future calls after that Labor Day and did quite well. I had to bail out family members that had borrowed against their homes because they were sold the buy and hold mantra. It killed the business because nobody wanted to talk to a broker so I went back to university. There I was exposed to MPT, CAPM, EMH and could see the insanity of it all. It is very interesting as a practitioner to try to point out the errors of academic finance to professors that admit it is all wrong but easy to teach. I fear that the advisory business lives by that rule – it is all wrong but easy to indoctrinate the people into buy and hold.

I am a value guy and I am at 70% cash. After the dollar finishes its run I might make a few more purchases. Baidu and Tencent look like the most miss-priced compounding machines out there right now. Whether looking at net nets or compounders or anything in between my holding period is about 5 years under normal conditions. Markets are not operating normally so I watch and wait for a better opportunity set. Waiting for the reversion to the mean. It will kill the buy and hold crowd again.

Okay. Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.

I agree that it’s always been that way. I have hopes that we are on the threshold of a big change because of Shiller’s research and because he was awarded a Nobel prize for his work. I think that, as our society has become richer, stocks have become more important to more people. So I believe that as a society we are going to have to advance in our understanding of how the market works. With Shiller’s research and with the interest that I have seen both among experts in the field and with everyday investors, I see us as being ready for a great leap forward.

We never had computers until some fool worked up enough courage to give the idea a good shot. We never went to the moon until some fool worked up enough courage to break the sound barrier. We never had the Beatles until Ed Sullivan took a chance by putting them up on his stage.

People have to do things for things to happen. I was amazed when I learned in 2002 that Shiller’s research had been around for 21 years and yet people planning early retirements didn’t realize that what Shiller showed meant that the safe withdrawal rate could not possibly be a constant number. So I got off my duff and did some things. And here I am.

I haven’t earned a dime with this for 14 years. I just got a lot of people mad at me. So maybe it will continue always to be the way it has always been in the past.

But I sure hope not! I’ve got a lot riding on my bet that we are all going to see a giant leap forward in coming days.

Rob

Filed Under: Investing Experts

“What If Some Views Are Suppressed So Brutally That the People Who Hold Those Views Stop Expressing Them Publicly? Then You Get Into a Situation Where the Market Cannot Do its Job of Mixing All Views Together and Coming to a Reasonable Aggregate of Lots and Lots of Different Takes.”

February 9, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

Thanks Rob:

Frank Martin and Seth Klarman agree that sometimes it is best to hold a larger than normal amount of cash and wait for a better opportunity set. The way I look at it is…

First the value guys stop buying and might trim back a bit so they can sleep well.
Then the garp guys stop buying and might trim back a bit until they can
sleep well. That leaves only the momentum guys buying but the momentum
list gets smaller and smaller and volatility gets stronger and stronger.
A bit more selling by the value and garp guys to sleep better and then
the Doors start playing ” This is the End “. Is it a waterfall or does
it just grind down lower 1% each day or week or month.

I do not care as  long as the cash holdings that let me sleep at night is ready for finding
bargains.

And that is how it works.

Thanks much for stopping by, Kirk.

We agree much more than we disagree. Basically, there are lots of people who have differing views and all those views get mixed together to create a market. My own view is that valuations count for a lot more than most people think, but that’s just me. I could be wrong. The market as a whole is better able to assess things than any one individual. So as a general rule I think it would be better for people to listen to what the market is saying than to listen to what Rob Bennett is saying.

There is one more element of the story that causes me to be a bit more alarmed than most others are re where valuations stand today. What if some views are flat-out censored? What if some views are suppressed so brutally that the people who hold those views stop expressing them publicly? Then you get into a situation where the market cannot do its jobs of mixing all views together and coming to a reasonable aggregate of lots and lots of different takes.

I have seen this sort of thing play out many times. I posted at a Retire Early board at Motley Fool where there were thousands of people using the Buy-and-Hold retirements studies to plan their retirements. Those studies say that the safe withdrawal rate is always 4 percent regardless of how high or low valuations go. That cannot be so according to the 35 years of peer-reviewed research showing that valuations affect long-term returns. People who know about the last 35 years of peer-reviewed research know that those retirement studies get the numbers wrong, wildly wrong at times of outlier valuation levels. The demonstrably false claims made in those studies are going to cause millions of people to suffer failed retirements in day to come, in the event that the stock market continues in the future to perform anything at all as it has performed during the 145 years of stock market history for which we have good records.

Not one of those studies has been corrected in the 14 years since I put up that post. Instead, I have been banned at over 20 investing discussion boards and blogs run by Buy-and-Holders who do not want their readers to know what the last 35 years of peer-reviewed research says on this subject. I have had many top-name experts tell me that they think that my point is right on, that the retirement studies should be corrected. But they have also told me that they are afraid to say so in public. I have had University professors contact me. I have had academic researchers contact me. I have had investors advisors contact me. Those people live in fear that their true beliefs about how the stock market works will be discovered and they will lose their jobs as a result.

The market cannot function when people live in fear of giving voice to their true beliefs. The purpose of a market is to set prices properly and the means by which a market works this magic is through the transmission of information. For example, a car dealer can ask for a certain price for a certain model of car. But if the person with an interest in buying the car learns by reading Edmunds that the price being asked is too high, the market punishes the person who set his price too high by giving the potential buyer the information he needs to obtain a better price from a different dealer.

It doesn’t work that way in the stock market. Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) offered a 4 percent real return in 2000. The most likely 10-year real return for stocks when they are selling at the price at which stocks were selling in 2000 is a negative 1 percent. Every investor could have raised his annual return by 5 percentage points for 10 years running just by shifting money from the stocks asset class to the TIPS asset class. That’s a total increased return of 50 percent of the initial portfolio value. Increase your portfolio value by 50 percent through a 10-minute transaction (backed by 35 years of peer-revirewed research!) and you can retire many years sooner. This is a very big deal.

There are of course reasons why the Buy-and-Holders are so hotly opposed to the idea of permitting millions of investors to learn what the peer-reviewed research says. These people have built careers promoting Buy-and-Hold strategies. They put themselves forward as “experts.” If they acknowledge the mistake that was discovered by Shiller’s 1981 finding that valuations affect long-term returns, they are going to cause their customers to doubt their expertise. The fact that they have covered up the error for 35 years makes them look like salesmen (at best!) more than true experts. This is a turf war. There is a mountain of money to be made by keeping millions of investors in the dark re what the research says.

The other side of the story is that the market cannot do its job (setting prices properly) if people cannot be informed as to what the research says. People cannot make intelligent, rational choices if they cannot gain access to important information relating to those choices. I believe that as a society we all need to pull together to work up the courage to stand up to the Buy-and-Holders and DEMAND (not ask!) that they follow the laws prohibiting the use of the tactics that have been employed for 14 years now to keep people from learning what they want and need to learn.

I hope that helps a bit. That’s where I am coming from, in any event.

I hope we get another chance to talk things over a bit. Your comment brought a nice bit of sunshine to my Wednesday morning, my new friend.

Rob

Filed Under: Investing Basics

Valuation-Informed Indexing #324: Valuation-Informed Indexers Only Temporarily Miss Out on Gains When Bull Markets Continue Longer Than Expected

February 8, 2017 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #324 to my weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called Valuation-Informed Indexers Only Temporarily Miss Out on Gains When Bull Markets Continue Longer Than Expected.

Juicy Excerpt: Valuation-Informed Indexing strategies often do not pay off for a good bit of time. That much is certainly true. But they always pay off (at least on a risk-adjusted basis and usually even on a nominal basis) to those patient enough to permit the various waves of investor emotion to play out. Stocks were not worth buying at the prices at which they were being sold in 1996. The insanity of the last four years of the century did not render the smart choice to protect one’s portfolio by lowering one’s stock allocation a less-than-smart one. The power of that second wave of investor emotion delayed the day of reckoning for Buy-and-Hold investors while increasing the price they paid.

There is no getting around the price that follows from following Buy-and-Hold strategies. But the price can arrive in several different forms. There are always a variety of wave scenarios that may apply in given circumstances. Investors need to consider the possibilities, note how they apply to those in their particular circumstances, make the choices that follow from those considerations, and then exercise the patience needed for the various wave scenarios to play out.

It can be frustrating and unsettling waiting for the various wave scenarios to play out. But Valuation-Informed Indexing strategies always work if given enough time. The reason why is that they MUST always work. Long-term timing is how price discipline is exercised in the stock market. It is absurd to think that there might be a market in which it were a good thing to fail to exercise price discipline. Price discipline is a positive, valuations always matter and Valuation-Informed Indexing is always superior to Buy-and-Hold in the long term.

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“Have You Considered That You Wouldn’t Be Worried About a Prison Sentence Today Had Bogle Come Clean Back in 1981? Each Day That the Cover-Up Continues, More People Get Hurt.”

February 7, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

When you wrote to Bogle, did you tell him he was a con-man?

I played it with Bogle the same way that I played it with Greaney, Anonymous.

When I first pointed out that Greaney’s retirement study does not contain an adjustment for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins, I didn’t call him a “Goon.” It was when he responded by threatening to kill my wife and children that I began referring to him as a “Goon.”

So it was with Bogle. My assumption was that he would correct his error when it was pointed out to him. He didn’t. That’s what made him a con man. So that’s when I started referring to him as a con man.

Are you able to suggest any better way of proceeding in circumstances like this?

Have you considered that you wouldn’t be worried about a prison sentence today had Bogle come clean back in 1981? Each day that the cover-up continues, more people get hurt. Including Goons like you.

There’s no charity in covering up an act of financial fraud. The charitable thing to do is to INSIST that the fraud be brought to a full and complete stop. It’s also charitable to take the circumstances into account, to try to understand that someone can get caught up in something and make a mistake without meaning to. But there’s no charity in permitting the mistake to go uncorrected. That’s a negative for every single person concerned.

No?

Rob

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“I Hereby Promise NOT to Take Any Action Whatsoever to Bring Criminal Charges or to Encourage Others to Bring Criminal Charges.”

February 6, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Actually, Rob, you would have to push for criminal charges, because no one else is. As for the civil part, you would need to file the lawsuits. It is all in your hands.

Steve Jobs had a net worth of over $10 Billion and Bill Gates has a net worth over $80 Billion. Shouldn’t you adjust your expectations?

You’re making my point, Anonymous. $500 million is a mountain of money. But given what we are talking about here, it is a 100 percent reasonable number.

If you truly didn’t believe that anyone was going to be bringing criminal charges when this gets written up on the front page of the New York Times, you have nothing to worry about. I hereby promise NOT to take any action whatsoever to bring criminal charges or to encourage others to bring criminal charges.

I’ll tell the truth about what happened, to be sure. But if no one else pushes for criminal charges, there will be no criminal charges. I talk about criminal charges because I want to bring the nasty side of this to a full and complete stop before the lengths of the sentences grow even greater. That’s my part in this. I would be 100 percent happy if there were no prison sentences. I don’t believe that it is going to play out that way. But it is fine with me if it does.

Rob

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“Even If My Site Did Not Exist, This Would Get Out. Shiller’s Book Is Still Out There. The Research That I Co-Authored With Wade Pfau Is Still Out There. Shiller’s Nobel Prize Is Still Out There. The Massive Act of Financial Fraud Is Eventually Going To Be Written Up On the Front Page of the New York Times Regardless of Anything I Do.”

February 3, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

You could help out Bogle and the goons by not filings charges and by not trying to after them for settlement payments. Then all would be well. What do you think about that? Consider it a Christmas gift.

I am going to post honestly about what the last 35 years of peer-reviewed research says. If I do anything else, I am committing financial fraud myself. So long as I do that, the word is going to get out about the 35-year cover-up. Probably not today or tomorrow. But following the next price crash. I am not the United States. When you commit a crime, you are committing the crime against the people of the United States. I don’t personally have much to do with it.

The criminal acts are detailed at my site, that’s pretty much the extent of my involvement re the criminal side of this. But even if my site did not exist, this would get out. Shiller’s book is still out there. The research that I co-authored with Wade Pfau is still out there. Shiller’s Nobel prize is still out there. The massive act of financial fraud is eventually going to be written up on the front page of the New York Times regardless of anything I do.

The full reality is that it is probably a plus that I have detailed the criminal acts at this site. I make an effort to put the criminal acts in the best possible light. I say that Bogle’s mistake was the product of cognitive dissonance. How many people do you think there will be saying that following the next price crash? I have said it on numerous occasions. And you can point to time-stamped posts in which I said it and you can say “this is a fellow who had no reason to be biased in favor of the Wall Street Con Men or the members of their various Goon Squads who was saying this.” So my posts have a high degree of credibility. And I think you can point to some of the things that you Goons said to show that there really was cognitive dissonance at play.

The cognitive dissonance play is the best play you have. And the materials at this site help you make that play. The materials at this site do not really hurt you. They reveal the truth. The truth has certain aspects that put you in a bad light. But the truth also has certain aspects that put you in a good light or at least in a not-so-bad light. You can use the materials at this site to develop a defense that I think might cause a good number of reasonable people to react in a moderate way. And I am 100 percent happy to encourage people to look at things in that sort of way, in a way that works to your favor.

Look at Wade Pfau. He is a very smart guy. He holds a Ph.D. in Economics. He was skeptical about a lot of things that I said in the early days. Even today I believe that he is skeptical about some things I say. You can point to someone like him and argue that, if that guy didn’t get it, how could we be expected to get it? You can point to John Walter Russell. John asked that we use phony numbers on the Risk Evaluator because he found the real numbers too shocking. John was as honest as the day is long. But he felt enough social pressure that he asked that we use phony numbers.

You can even look at my history. I was a proud Buy-and-Holder at one time. I once speculated that the SWR at the top of the bubble was probably somewhere around 3 percent. This stuff is not easy. It is easy in a way. It is intellectually easy. But it is very, very, very hard emotionally. That is your defense. You tell people that “we really did believe in it and we did not want to see people hurt and so we did some things that might seem wrong looking back but that seemed to make sense to a lot of us at the time we did them.” I am not saying that that gets you off 100 percent. But I believe that it is best you can do at this point in the proceedings. It is not a crazy position. And it is something that I can back you up on. If someone in my position feels okay backing you up, lots of people will feel okay backing you up.

We are looking at something very big here. It’s hardly possible for the human mind to let in how big this is. Again, look at Wade Pfau. He was AMAZED when this stuff started to click for him. This is like harnessing the power of the silicon chip. The goal is not to put people in prison. That’s petty. The goal is to get the word out, to improve everyone’s life in a very big way. Our problem is to figure out how we do that without having people go to prison for a long time. The answer is to focus on the good being done and thereby try to get the focus away from the 14-year delay, which is a big deal but perhaps is not as big a deal as it at first seems when you put things in perspective and consider how huge an advance it is we are looking at here.

Unlike the criminal actions, the civil suits are my thing. It is my aim to approach those in a generous spirit. I obviously expect to be paid for my work and this is very, very important work that caused me a lot of trouble for a long time. I am going to be paid very well. I don’t know how much Steve Jobs or Bill Gates ended up with but I am sure that we are talking about a numbers in the hundreds of millions. This is a lot bigger. So the $500 million figure that I have advanced is not at all out of line.

And I have offered to direct 10 percent of that to helping get the word out (by promoting my site and by funding blogs that would explore different aspects of the VII question). I can understand people not wanting to go to prison. I cannot understand the Wall Street Con Men being too worried about a payment of $500 million. These people have lots of money. Paying the $500 million will revitalize the entire industry. It helps everyone. And it puts them in a good light. I don’t see much of an issue there.

We cannot go back in time. If I could push a button and take us back in time, I would push the button. We have to deal with the world as it exists and make choices that work the best for every single person involved. That’s my aim. The good here is 50 times more good than the bad here is bad. So if we all approach this in the right spirit I am 100 percent confident that we will all end up in a very good place.

The entire thing is a Christmas gift. We need to start looking at it that way. Learning new things is wonderful. This is an advance. There is nothing even a tiny bit bad about it. We all just need to let that in.

Rob

 

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