Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to another blog entry at this site:
If that risk goes away because everything is ‘perfectly valued’ as in your utopia
I can bring in my good friend Eugene Fama to argue my case re this one, Laugh.
You suggest that there is something “utopian” about everything being perfectly valued.
Are you familiar with Fama’s work?
His core claim is that things should ALWAYS be perfected valued. He says that the market is “efficient.” That means it processes all information quickly. All that is known about stocks is almost immediately incorporated into the price of stocks. That’s perfect valuation, is it not? There is no better price than the one that incorporates all known information bits.
There is nothing even a tiny bit utopian about a world in which stocks are properly priced.
The reality is that there is only one thing standing in our way.
The thing standing in our way is you Goons.
Wade Pfau wants to tell the truth about stock investing very, very much. He made that clear in his e-mails to me over and over again.
Wade is obviously going to get the Nobel prize for the research that I co-authored with him once he feels free again to post honestly, right?
THOUSANDS of academic researchers are going to follow Wade’s lead once he wins the Noble prize. So we are soon going to have THOUSANDS of academic researchers telling the truth about stock investing.
You don’t think that is going to make a difference?
I think it is going to make a HUGE difference.
They key is getting your prison sentence announced, Laugh.
That will go viral. When every web site is talking about your prison sentence, Bogle is going to feel pressured to give his “I Was Wrong” speech. Once Old Saint Jack gives that speech, no one is ever again going to be afraid of what the Wall Street Con Men and their Internet Goon Squads will do to them if they dare to “cross” them by telling the truth about what the last 32 years of peer-reviewed academic research says about how stock investing works in the real world.
Laugh going to prison is Utopia realized for all of us. No?
It really is. Even for Laugh. Because the sooner you go to prison, the less damage your Campaign of Terror against us will have caused. And the less damage you end up causing, the shorter your prison sentence will end up being.
Does that not make sense, my old friend?
Rob


Comments
Simplicity and What Causes What
People like simplicity and to avoid specifics. “Buy-and-hold” is a very simple message. It does not ask you to think. “Market timing” requires you to be specific. To let “long-term market timing” gain grounds on “buy-and-hold” view, it probably would need a simplification of the message.
Like this article describes, it is also too simple to blame a single group (e.g. bankers) for the economic crisis we are in. But I think it goes too far to say that bull markets cause crises, and that buy-and-hold causes the bull market and therefore the crisis.
– Booms and busts in asset prices are as old as capitalism. Irrational high asset prices go hand-in-hand with other economic aspects of a boom period. They reinforce each other, but it goes too far I think to say that one causes the other. And furthermore, there have been many crises before the 20th century and before buy-and-hold was a term that was known or promoted.
– But yes, a deflation of a stock or other asset bubble, evaporates a lot of paper wealth, reduces the (imagined) spending power and demand and reinforces the crisis economics down like it did on the way up.
Thanks for describing your views that go against the mainstream. Diverse views create better understanding.
Trend Investing – Mar 27, 2011
I’m grateful for your intelligent comment and criticism, Stock Trend Investing.
I agree with you re the facts. Booms and busts are indeed as old as capitalism.
I don’t agree that it follows that they are a necessary feature of capitalism. There was a time when walking around in the darkness was a necessary feature of nighttime. Then we learned how to harness the power of electricity. I believe that we can make a similar advance by learning what causes booms and busts and what is needed to prevent them.
We don’t need to pass any laws. All we need to do is to appeal to people’s self-interest. Every investor alive wants to be an effective investor. What if we provided tools to people letting them know by how many years they are delaying their retirements by failing to take prices into account when setting their stock allocations? I would think that would get things going. Investors’ desire to obtain higher returns at lower risk would do the rest.
I of course acknowledge that there are not millions of people saying this today. The first thing we have to do is to get a discussion of the possibility started. I personally see that as a far more appealing way to go than wasting time getting caught up in all sorts of political frictions. Anyway, that’s where I’m coming from re this thing.
I agree with you that this message needs to be simple to succeed. My view is that the simple way to say it is that looking at the price of a thing you buy is always a good thing, even when the thing you are buying is stocks. To me, that is very simple. I think the complication stems from the fact that The Stock-Selling Industry has spent millions in marketing expenses promoting Buy-and-Hold. Common sense tells people that price matters. But they have heard that opposing message so many times that they have come to doubt what their common sense tells them.
In any event, I am certainly grateful to you for taking the time to read and comment helpfully on this long article. And I do very much agree with you that no single group (bankers or any other) can be blamed for the economic crisis. I blame Buy-and-Hold. But I acknowledge that we are all responsible for the popularity of Buy-and-Hold. It never would have caught on unless it appealed to something basic in human nature. I think that the something basic that it appeals to is our Get RIch Quick impulse. I think that the single biggest project in the investing advice field should be the effort to rein in the destructive power of this basic and universal human inclination to find appeal in Get RIch Quick thinking.
Rob
Rob Bennett – Mar 27, 2011