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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“The Promotion of Buy-and-Hold Strategies Always Leads to Stock Crashes.”

March 29, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

The crash is here!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/02/us-futures-move-lower-as-investors-worry-about-rising-yields.html

Call up The New York Times. Get that article on the front page. The checks should come rolling in and you will have your $500 million.

Do you think that the risk of seeing a price crash is greater when stocks are priced at two times fair value than they are when stocks are priced at fair value?

I do.

If that’s so, then there is a price attached to every price increase that takes place at a time when stocks are already overpriced. The price increase leads to a bigger number on the portfolio statement. But the increased risk diminishes the value proposition for stocks on a going-forward basis. The pros and cons of such price increases cancel each other out, meaning that price increases that take place at times of overvaluation are not real. They are pretend.

It makes a difference, If an aspiring early retiree ignored what the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research teaches us about pretend price increases, he would use a 4 percent safe withdrawal rate to plan a retirement planned to begin on Jan. 1 2000. If he took the 36 years of peer-reviewed research into consideration, he would use a safe withdrawal rate of 1.6 percent for his planning. Getting the numbers right in retirement planning makes a difference.

The promotion of Buy-and-Hold strategies always leads to stock crashes. There has never been one exception in the history of stock investing. Stock crashes hurt people in very serious ways. It’s not for me. I was a Buy-and-Holder in the days when I believed that claim that Buy-and-Hold is rooted in the peer-reviewed research. When I learned that that is not so, I moved on.

I don’t laugh about causing stock crashes. I see nothing funny about them. Your behavior tells the tale. Buy-and-Hold is rooted in investor emotion, not peer-reviewed research. It is investor emotion that has been making stocks a risky asset class since the first stock market opened for business. The job of an investment adviser is to help people rein in their emotions, not to encourage them to give their emotions free rein.

My sincere take.

Rob

Filed Under: Investing Basics

“We Are Arguing Over Whether the Risk Associated With One Particular Asset Class — Stocks — Is Static or Variable.”

March 19, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“One, you don’t mention that the risk associated with owning stocks increases when valuations increase. ”

There is risk in anything you invest in. Look at the risk you took by avoiding stock. You took the biggest financial beating of anyone I know. That’s why we diversify and also rebalance. No one has a crystal ball. Perhaps you should follow what Shiller says instead of what you want him to say. Your misinterpretations have put you in the tough spot you find yourself in.

Do you think that the risk of investing in stocks is static or variable, Anonymous?

That’s the entire dispute.

If the market is efficient, stock investing risk is static and Buy-and-Hold is the ideal strategy.

If valuations affect long-term returns, stock investing risk is variable and any investor who refuses to adjust his stock allocation in response to big swings in stock prices is letting his risk profile go haywire as a consequence.

Do you think that you should be keeping your risk profile roughly stable over time or do you not? If you follow a Buy-and-Hold strategy, it’s not possible to keep it stable (presuming that the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research is legitimate research).

And, if risk is variable, it is certainly not possible to calculate the safe withdrawal rate accurately without taking into consideration the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins.

We are not arguing over whether there is risk in anything you invest in or not. We are arguing over whether the risk associated with one particular asset class — stocks — is static or variable. There is 36 years of peer-reviewed research showing that it is variable. I believe that that research is legitimate. So I am not willing to pretend to believe that the risk associated with stock investing is static.

Does that help?

Rob

Filed Under: Investing Basics

“Shiller Has Never Put Forward a Single Word Suggesting That Investors Should Not Be Using CAPE to Practice Effective Long-Term Timing. If It Is True That Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns, As Shiller Showed, Then Long-Term Timing MUST Work.”

March 15, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

It is a load of crap saying that Shiller is holding back. He has pointed out why you should not be using CAPE for marketing timing.

Secondly, it is crystal clear that people, such as yourself, that pulled out of stocks have missed out on the huge gains we have seen in the market. You keep telling us to wait for the crash and your predictions, including those that you made on this site have failed to materialize.

Shiller has never put forward a single word suggesting that investors should not be using CAPE to practice effective long-term timing. He has said that he does not believe that “timing” works. Most people think of “timing” as “short-term timing.” It’s true that short-term timing doesn’t work — there is over 50 years of peer-reviewed research showing that. But what about long-term timing?

If it is true that valuations affect long-term returns, as Shiller showed, then long-term timing MUST work. And, indeed, the peer-reviewed research that I co-authored with Wade Pfau shows that, for the entire history of the market, long-term timing always HAS worked. Why not encourage Shiller and lots of others to talk about LONG-TERM timing, the kind that works? Would it not benefit all of us to have a national debate on that question instead of on this silly one that was settled by the research over 50 years ago? It seems so to me.

Why do you use a phrase like “pulled out of stocks”? That sounds emotional to me. I didn’t “pull out” of stocks any more than I pulled out of a deal that was offered to me by a car dealer but that represented a poor choice for me given what my research into the market value of the car showed me. I elected to invest to advance my own self-interest. Other asset choices offered a stronger long-term value proposition than stocks because stocks were insanely overpriced. So I went with the better deal. Why does that bother you so much?

I didn’t “miss out” on any “huge gains.” Most of the gains that you are talking about were caused by overvaluation. There is now 36 years of peer-reviewed research showing that gains produced by overvaluation are temporary rather than lasting gains. I am investing for the long-term. So I am not concerned with “missing out” on temporary gains. The concept of “missing out” on temporary gains is an absurdity to a true long-term investor.

Most of my predictions have materialized. I said that TIPS were an amazing deal when they were offering a return of 4 percent real and indeed those TIPS have been beating stocks for 18 years now! At greatly reduced risk! If that’s failing on a prediction, I can only pray that I continue to fail more and more spectacularly on my predictions for many, many years to come. The annualized real return for stocks for the past 18 years has been 3.3 percent (that includes dividends). How many Buy-and-Holders predicted that?

The one prediction that I failed on is that I predicted that prices would return to fair-value (or lower) levels long ago. We have never seen prices remain this high (and dangerous!) for this long. It would have taken a crystal ball to have predicted that one given that we have never seen anything like it before.

I still believe that we will someday return to fair-value price levels. We always have before and I believe that we will this time too. I don’t even believe that the market will be able to continue to function indefinitely if we don’t eventually return to fair-value price levels. It is the purpose of the market to get the price right and I don’t see how the stock market can prove to be different than every other market that has ever existed in that regard (and it certainly never has been different for the 150 years of its existence for which we have good price records).

But we will have to watch things play out to find out for sure. Please mark me down as predicting once again that prices will probably fall to fair-value levels or lower within the next year or two or three while also noting that short-term price predictions have a very poor track record and that I don’t think that I am any better at making short-term price predictions than anyone else.

I wish you all the best that this life has to offer a person, my long-term Buy-and-Hold friend.

Rob the Poor Predictor

 

Filed Under: Investing Basics

“If Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns, Then It Is Emotion That Drives Stock Price Changes and Buy-and-Hold Gets Every Single Question It Has Ever Addressed Wrong.”

March 6, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“scores of other critically important investment-related topics.”

And what would these “scores” of topics be?

This is an intelligent question.

It’s every single issue, Anonymous. The question of whether or not the market is efficient is fundamental. Everything else follows from that. If the market is efficient, then Buy-and-Hold is the ideal strategy, I certainly do not say different. But if valuations affect long-term returns, then it is emotion that drives stock price changes and Buy-and-Hold gets every single question it has ever addressed wrong. I don’t say intentionally. I believe that the Buy-and-Holders once sincerely believed that the market is efficient (and indeed I believe that millions sincerely believe this to this day). But if it is true that valuations affect long-term returns (I believe this strongly and there is 36 years of peer-reviewed research supporting me re this one), then there is zero chance that Buy-and-Hold could get even a single question right.

Everything that Buy-and-Hold says about risk management is wrong if it is true that valuations affect long-term returns. Everything that Buy-and-Hold says about retirement planning is wrong if it is true that valuations affect long-term returns. Everything that Buy-and-Hold says about asset allocation is wrong if it is true that valuations affect long-term returns.

If you get your starting premise wrong, you get everything wrong. I have often made the comparison to race relations. When people look at the fact that, in the 1950s, black people could not drink from the same water fountains as white people, they think it seems crazy. How could any person with a brain ever believe that that made sense? To understand what happened, you have to go back in history to when black people were slaves. They were not thought of as full humans. That’s how you come up with a rule that they cannot drink from the same water fountains as white people. Then you do away with the slavery thing, which is good. But if you don’t think through all the implications of the mistake that caused all the problems, you are still left with the crazy idea that blacks cannot drink out of the same water fountains as whites.

Fundamental mistakes have tremendous staying power because they don’t cause one thing to go wrong, they cause countless things to go wrong. And the more devastating a mistake is, the greater the reluctance is to admitting the mistake. In the investing case, we have thousands and thousands of wealthy and powerful people whose entire careers are rooted in the mistaken belief that the market is efficient. They do not want to admit their mistake. They do not, do not, do not. And they possess the power to destroy the career of anyone who dares to “cross” them by doing honest, research-based work in this field.

That’s why we are all living through an economic crisis today. Every single one of us is affected by the mistake. We all retire much later than we would if we had access to honest, research-based investing advice. And we all take on far more risk than we would need to take on if we all had access to honest research-based investing advice. But who is going to work up the courage to stand up to these Wall Street Con Men? They are powerful people. They don’t like to be crossed. They are used to getting their way. They have a lot of money at stake. They are worried that they will be going to prison for a long time if millions of middle-class investors learn how they have been lied to about what the peer-reviewed research in this field says. It’s a big mess, my friend.

This is why I say that we should all bend over backwards to show as much human charity as we can within the limits of the law to our Buy-and-Hold friends and to our Wall Street Con Men friends and to our Goon friends. They wouldn’t have gone down this road if they had known when they were starting out what we all learned when Shiller published his “revolutionary” (his word) 1981 research findings. Why not cut them all a generous piece of slack and thereby put our economic system and our political system on a much firmer footing? That benefits all of us, no? So I don’t see any downside.

But of course we do need to open every site on the internet to honest posting re the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research. If we don’t do that, we see a Second Great Depression and there are no charitable words that are going to help our Wall Street Con Men friends at that point. The time for teaching millions of people what the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research says is now and, to do that in the age of the internet, we need to open every site on the internet to honest posting. I mean, come on.

The mistake that the Buy-and-Holders made affects every single question relating to investing. Buy-and-Hold is a numbers-based approach. The last 36 years of peer-reviewed research shows that the number that matters most (not by a little bit but by a very big bit) is the valuations number. Calculate numbers without taking into consideration the most important number of all (by a long shot) and all of your calculations are going to be in error. Huh? How does that help anybody?

The Buy-and-Holders should want to get the numbers right. That means that they should be in favor of opening every investing site on the internet to honest posting on safe withdrawal rates and scores of other critically important investment-related topics.

I hope that helps a small bit, my old friend.

Rob

 

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“The Buy-and-Holders Believe That All Gains Are Real, That All Gains Are Caused By Economic Realities. The Valuation-Informed Indexers Believe That Gains That Are Caused By Overvaluation Are Temporary in Nature and Disappear Into Nothingness in the Long Run.”

March 2, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Honest posting better come soon, before more retirements are ruined by this incredible bull market. Rob, what am I going to do with all this money?

You are being sarcastic, Anonymous. But I very much agree with the point that you are attributing to me. This is the difference between Buy-and-Hold and Valuation-Informed Indexing, the difference between the peer-reviewed research that was available up to 1981 and the peer-reviewed research including that published from 1981 forward. The Buy-and-Holders believe that all gains are real, that all gains are caused by economic realities. The Valuation-Informed Indexers believe that gains that are caused by overvaluation are temporary in nature and disappear into nothingness in the long run. Since those gains are not real, you are better off not treating them as real. If you treat non-real gains as real, it becomes impossible for you to engage in effective financial planning.

The sarcastic tone reveals the lack of inner confidence that the gains are real. If you were 100 percent confident that the gains are real, nothing I said would worry you one iota and you would not even react to what I say. Buy you do react. You are troubled by the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research. Not enough to change your investing strategy. But enough to advance sarcastic comments on an internet blog. That’s not a good way to cope with your disquiet, in my assessment, Anonymous.

The better way is to discuss your uncertainty in a civil and reasoned way. That approach will eventually take you to one of two places. One is that you might end up no longer feeling the disquiet and having achieved a greater level of confidence in your strategy. Two is that you might give up your strategy. The venting of sarcasm doesn’t get you anywhere. It has kept you spinning in circles for 15 years now.

Anyway, I do indeed believe that more retirements are being ruined every day by this incredible bull market. It makes me sad. But I have done my bit and then some more on top of that and then some more on top of that. I will be back in teaching mode in the days following the next price crash, when being in teaching mode will again be producing good fruit. In the meantime, I will answer your questions if I think that I can put forward answers that will help you or someone else. And I will endeavor always to respond to you with a combination of complete honesty and complete love. And we will both just have to wait to see how that approach to things plays out in the long term.

My best and warmest wishes to you, in any event.

Bull-Market-Critic Rob

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Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “We Already Know How Stock Investing Works. It Really Is No Mystery.” Rob’s Response: “If We Already Knew Everything That We Will Ever Know About Stock Investing, We Would Not Be Handing Out New Ph.D.’s Every Year.”

February 26, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“There are no two sides when it comes to learning how stock investing works in the real world.”

We already know how it works. It really is no mystery.

If you were confident in what you think you know, we never would have seen a death threat.

If we already knew everything that we will ever know about stock investing, we would not be handing out new Ph.D.’s every year. If we already knew everything that we will ever know about stock investing, there would be no journals publishing new peer-reviewed research. If we already knew everything that we will ever know about stock investing, investing discussion boards would not permit new posts — they would just advise any interested readers to read the posts put up until the day when every last thing about the subject became known.

You are kidding yourself. We don’t know it all today and we never will. Discussion boards are for learning. And, following the next price crash, we are going to unite as a nation and have you Goons sent to prison so that they can be used for that purpose once again.

My sincere take.

Rob

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“We Are All in This Together. I Can’t Lose Without You Losing Too. You Can’t Win Without Me Winning Too. There Are No Two Sides When It Comes to Learning How Stock Investing Works in the Real World.”

February 23, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

So, if a story comes out in The New York Times, giving Wade Pfau credit, but you get no recognition whatsoever and nothing ever happens to the goons, you would be okay with that.

I would be thrilled.

The only issue I have re you Goons is that I want the American people to overcome you. If there is a story in the New York Times giving Wade credit for Valuation-Informed Indexing, then there is a story in the New York Times on Valuation-Informed Indexing and we have overcome you. That’s victory for all of us.

If we all win, we all win. I’m one of us, you know? So, if we all win, I win. I can live with that.

The only way you Goons can win is if we all lose. Which would be unfortunate for you because, if we all lose, you lose.
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If our economic system collapses, we all lose. You Goons will probably be jumping up and down about that one because it will mean that I lose. Your hate blinds you to the fact that it means that you lose too.

We are all in this together, Anonymous. I can’t lose without you losing too. You can’t win without me winning too. There are no two sides when it comes to learning how stock investing works in the real world.

Fight harder, team-mate!

Rob

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“These Events Demand an Explanation”

February 14, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“But they have not emotionally taken in the knowledge that they possess so that they can make productive use of it. …The knowledge that they possess sits in their brains but they have not integrated it with their other thoughts”

And don’t you think it’s a wee bit presumptuous to claim you know the inner working of the minds of thousands of people you’ve never met, many of whom you agree are far more intelligent and experienced than you are?

I’m intelligent enough to see that there is no valuation adjustment in the retirement study posted at Greaney’s site, Anonymous. And I am intelligent enough to know that Shiller’s research showing that valuations affect long-term returns must be legitimate research or else he would mot have been awarded a Nobel prize for it.

I am intelligent enough to know that there is no place for death threats in discussions of stock investing. And that there is no place for demands for unjustified board bannings. And that there is no place for thousands of acts of defamation. And that there is no place for threats to get an academic researcher fired from his job.

If you have a better explanation for the events that we have seen transpire over the past 15 years, I would be happy to hear it. Neither you nor anyone else has even tried to put forward a better explanation. So, no, I don’t think it’s presumptuous at all. These events demand an explanation. And there is an explanation available in the psychological literature — cognitive dissonance. So that’s the one that I am going with until I hear something better.

You don’t have to accept my explanation if you don’t care to. You asked me a question and I gave you an honest response. My explanation is 100 percent sincere. I am as intelligent as I am, no more and no less. And that’s what I have come up with at this point in the proceedings. I look for new insights every day. So perhaps down the road a bit I will be able to add some detail to it.

My best wishes.

Rob

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“All of These People on Wall Street ‘Know’ What It Means to Say That Stocks Are Priced at Two Times Fair Value. But Their Emotions — Their Need Not to Defy the Tribe — Cancels Out the Effect of Their Mental Processes.”

February 13, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“Stocks are today priced at two times fair value.”

To be clear, this is a fact Wall Street is not aware of – otherwise they would immediately dump stocks. Is that fair to say?

You are making a great point here, Anonymous. If you would reflect on this point a bit, the entire matter would click for you.

Just about everybody on Wall Street is aware intellectually of what the P/E10 level is today. You see it mentioned all the time in articles. These people are obviously not dumb. So on an intellectual level, they know what they need to know.

But they have not emotionally taken in the knowledge that they possess so that they can make productive use of it. They rationalize away this knowledge that they possess. They tell themselves “oh, nobody knows when the crash is coming and I cannot afford to miss out on gains in the meantime” or whatever. The knowledge that they possess sits in their brains but they have not integrated it with their other thoughts on all of the various strategic questions and so it is as if the knowledge did not exist. It is passive knowledge. It is not being put to productive use.

It helps to remember what happened in the famous psychology experiment from the 1950s, the Asch experiment. People were put in a room and asked to identify which of two lines — a 12-inch line and an 18-inch line — were longer. Their brains possessed all the knowledge needed to supply the correct answer. It was obvious to them that the 18-inch line was longer. But the four people who were plants and who spoke before them all identified the 12-inch line as longer. This psychological reality neutralized the knowledge they possessed. Humans are social creatures. Evolution put something within us that tells us “don’t go against the tribe no matter what your brain tells you.” So they told the person conducting the experiment that they “thought” the 12-inch line was the longer one. Their emotions cancelled out the product of their mental processes.

All of these people on Wall Street “know” what it means to say that stocks are priced at two times fair value, Anonymous. But their emotions — their need not to defy the tribe — cancels out the effect of their mental processes. So they don’t give voice to what they “know.” They say: “timing doesn’t work” or repeat some other mind-numbing marketing slogan.

Prior to 1981, we were as a people largely ignorant of the effect of valuations on long-term returns. Shiller was awarded a Nobel prize because he published research in 1981 that in an intellectual sense dispelled that ignorance. Now we “know” how stock investing works. But it doesn’t do us any good to possess this “knowledge” if we cannot act on it. I am trying to take things to the next step, to win for us the ability to DISCUSS what we now know so that we can integrate it with our other thoughts on the subject of investing and thereby become able to make better strategic decisions.

That’s the story here. Do we begin to make collective use of the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research in this field or do we elect to remain in effective ignorance and suffer the consequences of doing so? I of course say that we need to move forward, that all of our social norms favor open discussion of peer-reviewed research and that there is no way to hold back the tide of history re these matters indefinitely.

If we all talked openly about the overvaluation problem, the overvaluation problem would go away. Shiller SOLVED the one big problem of stock investing — the risk attached to it. The peer-reviewed research that I co-authored with Wade Pfau shows that the risk that has always been associated with stock investing pretty much goes away once people are permitted to take the findings of the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research into consideration when making allocation decisions.

But people do need to be able to discuss these matters to be able to gain the power to overcome their unfortunate emotional inclination in favor of Get Rich Quick thinking. It is only by opening every discussion board and blog on the internet to honest posting re the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research that we can put those research findings to good use, that we can at last come to truly “know” what Shiller showed us 36 years ago. We need to enforce our laws against financial fraud. Those are good and necessary laws. They are a key part of the system that permits the American Experiment as a whole to work its magic.

Good question.

Rob

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“We Are All Part of the Lucky Generation That Happened to Be Walking the Planet When the Last Big Piece of the Stock Investing Puzzle Snapped Into Place.”

February 5, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

It makes perfect sense. You despise Greaney. You just won’t say that, so you blindly attack his work.

Do you know how many Google hits there are out there for “rob bennett” “millions of busted retirements”? Lots. And the cause of all those busted retirements? The 4% rule. Now, magically, you have no problem with it. 4%, 4.5%, whatever, it’s all good, let’s just get along.

Today you say “Greaney has destroyed millions of middle-class lives with his insanely abusive behavior.” Which is absurd, but it clearly shows your problem with him is personal. Until someone says it’s personal. Then the problem is back to the 4% rule.

I don’t despise John as a person even a tiny bit. I had a lot of good times with the guy. I never would have had those times if he had not started that Retire Early board. When I was starting work on the book that became “Passion Saving,” I asked John to be my co-author. Why would I do that if I despised him? This claim makes no sense.

And it’s not right to say that I blindly attack his work. I reviewed his retirement study when he published it as a report at the Soapbox.com site. I gave it a five-star review. I felt a little funny about doing that because I knew at the time (but had not come out publicly and said so) that he got the numbers wrong in his study. I rationalized what I did on grounds that his study was a significant advance on the retirement literature that was in place before he came on the scene. I still believe that to be the case. Peter Lynch was the manager of the Magellan fund. He was a pretty big deal. Lynch said that the safe withdrawal rate was 7 percent. Greaney said it was 4 percent. Greaney was a lot closer to the mark than Lynch was. Not bad for a guy whose only qualifications to write about the subject were that he (like me) had figured out how to get his words posted to an internet site.

So I like the guy as a person and I admire his work.

But, yes, you are right that I believe that Greaney has caused millions of failed retirements. And that’s a big deal in a negative way jheust as the other stuff is a big deal in a positive way. What would you have me do, keep quiet about it? If Greaney were thinking clearly, he would want me to make that claim at every site on the internet. Once upon a time, he tried to help people achieve early retirements. If he knew that there was a study that was in the process of causing millions of failed retirements, he would want the flaws of that study exposed. The only reason why he doesn’t want that in this case is that the study in question has his name on it. That’s not a good reason.

We all make mistakes, Anonymous. I do. You do. Bogle does. Shiller does. Greaney does. Everybody does.

And we all live in communities. Different people have different sets of life experiences. And so they see things that we are not able to see ourselves. If they are our true friends, they help us to see our mistakes earlier than we would otherwise see them so that we can correct them sooner and cause less harm with them. That’s what I did with my friend John Greaney. I pointed out his mistake while also noting his good work, giving him an opportunity to correct the error before it caused him any significant embarrassment. And I did it in the most gracious way possible. I suggested that John and I work together developing what became The Retirement Risk Evaluator, the first safe-withdrawal-rate calculator that contains an adjustment for the valuations level that applied on the day the retirement began. John could have had his name on that calculator. His site could be the most popular and most important personal finance site on the internet today. He chose to get on this dark path that he is on today instead. I advised him against that choice. In the strongest language possible.

I like the guy. I appreciate his contributions. I 100 percent oppose the acts of self-destruction and the acts of destruction of millions of other middle-class people.

Do I have a problem with someone saying that the safe withdrawal rate is always 4 percent or always 4.5 percent or whatever? I have an INTELLECTUAL problem with it. I don’t believe it’s accurate. I believe that the 36 years of peer-reviewed research showing that valuations affect long-term returns is legitimate research. So I believe that claims that the safe withdrawal rate is always the same number are false claims. False claims about a number that many, many people are using to plan their retirements do serious, serious damage in this world. I don’t like to see millions of people suffering failed retirements. So, yes, I make it my business to speak out about those false claims. I would like to see the entire world move on to Valuation-Informed Indexing, so that we would never again have to worry about people making those false claims or falling for those false claims and ruining their financial futures by doing so.

But none of that changes the reality that those false claims are being put forward by human beings and that human beings make mistakes from time to time and that the people making these false claims have also helped us all in very important ways and that they have earned our respect and affection by doing so. Am I a perfect being? I was a Buy-and-Holder on the morning of May 13, 2002. I now say that Buy-and-Hold is a big pile of smelly garbage. I was either very, very wrong on the morning of May 13, 2002, or I am very, very wrong today. So I think it would be fair to say that it is a logical impossibility that I have gotten them all right. If I get some of them wrong, it might be a good practice for me to evidence a measure of charity toward the good and smart people whom I come to conclude are getting some of them wrong in this realm. You think?

I think Greaney is wrong. I think Bengen is wrong. I think that I have a responsibility to say so. Partly to myself. Partly to the millions of middle-class people who are in the process of seeing their lives destroyed. And partly to my friends Bill Bengen and John Greaney. So I say what I believe. And I offer precisely zero apologies for doing so. The one time during this saga where I did something wrong was in those three years from May 1999 through May 2002 when I did not possess the courage to speak out even though I suspected that the numbers in Greaney’s study were in error.

We all should be saying what we truly believe in the discussions that we hold on the internet about how stock investing works. That’s how we learn together. Learning together is a wonderful and amazing thing. It is the entire freakin’ purpose of our boards and blogs. If we truly have reached a point where our mistakes are so horrible to contemplate that we just cannot bear to permit honest discussions anymore, we should just shut down every investing discussion board and blog. Any discussion board or blog that does not permit honest posting is a corrupt enterprise. I want no part of such boards or blogs. Not this boy. I would be truly grateful if you could try to find somebody else.

The human race was not put on Planet Earth knowing everything there is to know about how stock investing works. We figured out some things over the years. By the time that 1981 came around, we knew a lot but we were missing one huge piece to the puzzle — it hadn’t yet clicked for us that valuations affect long-term returns. Now we know. We are all part of the lucky generation that happened to be walking the planet when the last big piece of the stock investing puzzle snapped into place. My job is to spread the word. Knowing for the first time how stock investing works in the real world helps every last human being on the planet. It is a win/win/win/win/win, with no possible downside. I am going to get the job done. I pledge you that much. As Elvis once put it, if you don’t believe I’m going , you can just count the days I’m gone.

My preference is to do this wonderful work in union with my many Buy-and-Hold friends, good and smart people for whom I feel much respect and affection and gratitude. But you know what? I don’t make decisions for my Buy-and-Hold friends. They have free will. They get to make their own decisions. I will accept with sadness the reality if they elect to follow a darker path. These sorts of things happen in this big old goofy world of ours from time to time, I have been told. I cannot force you to do anything that you do not care to do, Anonymous. I wish you well in all your travels, in any event.

Love is the answer. Re that one, I am 100 percent sure.

Take good care, man.

Rob

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