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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
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  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“When You Mix Research and Emotion, You Don’t Get Something Better Than Emotion Alone. You Get Something Far, Far Worse. Mix Research and Emotion and You Get Investors Who Not Only Are Emotional But Who Have Lost the Ability to Question Their Emotional Strategies Because They Believe That They Are Research-Based.”

June 27, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the Goon Central board:

Hocus, you’ve been predicting the stock market (which of course we know on HocoWorld refers solely to the S&P 500 Index) will drop by 65% within three years. I just wanted to establish a firm date, since we know you to be less than truthful after the fact on various issues. Goes with the territory when you’re a Habitual Liar like Rob “hocus” Bennett I guess! 
 
I believe you made your bold prediction based upon your reading of the Lucky Seven BatSignal™ sometime last year. That would mean you’re saying the crash will occur by the end of 2015. To help you with the arithmetic; 2013 = 1 year, 2014 = 2 years, 2015 = 3 years. And we’ll give you a few months free since I don’t recall exactly when or where you first made your claim, it could have even been prior to 2012.  
 
By the way hocus, I see from the Google if one searches “Stock Market Crash” you’ll find there is no shortage of folks also predicting the same event. Alas, it seems like you not the only person workin’ this prognostication beat so you may not get the attention you so desperately crave even if your call turns out to be correct. By the way, you’ll also find many folks when you do that search saying just the opposite, that a crash is unlikely. 
 
I think it’s fair to say the only thing for certain even in the event your prediction pans out is that if stocks perform somewhat like they have in the past, people holding diversified portfolios of stocks and fixed income commensurate with their risk tolerance and who stay-the-course will do fine. And people who panic and sell at market bottoms will do poorly. Just like what happened to Rob “hocus” Bennett back in 1996 when he panicked and sold all his stocks. 
 
You bailed out of the S&P 500 Index in 1996. In January 2000 you missed the high of 1498.58. But you did miss out on the low in July 2002 of 815.28. Why didn’t you buy?  No BatSignal™ clanging for you back then? Again in July 2007 the S&P 500 reached an all time high of 1,526.75. Too bad, you missed out again on all the market gains. But you did miss the downturn of January 2009 when the market dipped to 797.87. Still no buy? Or did the BatSignal™ fail you again. From that low the market rebounded to 1,569.19 in January of 2013. Again, you missed out on the opportunity. The next low? Stay tuned.  
 
Hocus, what makes you think you’ll be able to gather the courage to buy stocks this time in the event your prediction comes to pass? You were to scared in 2002 and again in 2009 when the S&P 500 Index hit lows. Why will the next time, if that next time happens per your schedule, be any different that the previous two times you failed to take action since 1996? You just blowin’ smoke? Shocked
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It’s a painful experience for me to read this post, Yip.There’s enough nasty, stupid stuff in it to make me want to refuse to reply at all unless you rewrite it.But there are also a few sections that sound to my ears to have enough sincerity in them to justify a response. So I will respond, knowing how hard it is for you to hear the words I say rather than the ones that your emotional defenses throw up to turn what I say into something else.Your strongest point is where you say that there are lots of “experts” predicting a crash and lots of other “experts” predicting just the opposite. You are 100 percent right about this. And we are in 100 percent agreement about this. We are in agreement not only re the factual matter. We are in agreement re the disgust we feel for this sad state of affairs. It doesn’t do any good to root your strategies in the advice of experts if the expert are all over the map! In this field, one can use “expert” assessments to justify any course of action imaginable. Huh?

This is the problem that rooting one’s strategies in the academic research was supposed to solve!

You hear me say all the time how much respect and affection and gratitude I feel toward the Buy-and-Hold pioneers. This is why. My journey down the path I am on today began with the observation you are making here. I started compiling material for my binders. I discovered that there was “expert” opinion on both sides of every question. I felt that I was going around in circles. Then I discovered the school of thought (Buy-and-Hold) that says that you should root your strategies in the academic research. This was the answer! Now I had something solid to hold on to. We are starting from the same place, Yip.

If you had asked me on the morning of May 13, 2002, what school of investing analysis I favored, I would have said “Buy-and-Hold.” Yes, I thought that the safe withdrawal rate had been miscalculated. But I didn’t see it as being some huge, big deal. I figured that a mistake had been made and that it would be recognized and corrected. I was glad to be able to do what I could to advance knowledge in the field. I expected the community at Motley Fool would discuss it for a bit and then we would move forward with the project of getting all the Old School studies corrected. I did not know whether John Greaney would participate in that effort or not. I certainly hoped so. I thought the odds favored it. I thought that, once the community made clear what it wanted, he would go along. But I wasn’t sure re that particular point. I was pretty sure about what the community would do, however. I didn’t expect instant agreement. I expected two or perhaps three days of debate. But I wasn’t able to imagine that we could not reach agreement in three days on the calculations of a freakin’ number.

And here we are. We are now 11 years down the road.

The idea of using research to guide you is A++ stuff. But there is a problem. The idea has to be executed by the humans. The same darn humans that have been investing emotionally ever since the first market opened for business. When you mix research and emotion, you don’t get something better than emotion alone (what we had in the pre-research days). You get something far, far worse. Mix research and emotion and you get investors who not only are emotional but who have lost the ability to question their emotional strategies because they believe that they are research-based.

We are on a journey from emotionalism to research-based investing strategies. The first draft of the research-based approach contains an error that turned it into the first super-emotional strategy. That’s why we are in an economic crisis. The good news is that Version 2.0 is the first true research-based strategy and the research shows that moving to a true research-based strategy will reduce investing risk by 70 percent. That breakthrough will bring on the greatest economic advance in our history. So we are on a good course if we can just work up the courage to do what it takes to avoid falling into the Second Great Depression.

The point of all this preface is to explain that we are on the same page on the most important issues. We both want to be effective investors. We both hate the baloney we hear from most “experts” in this field. We both favor research-based strategies. The only difference is this question of whether valuations/emotions need to be taken into consideration or not. You should put all your mental energies into figuring that one out. That is the entire deal. Get straight on that one and you will be asking very different questions than the ones you ask here. Get that one straight and all the rest will easily follow.

You always focus on the wrong thing, looking at things from my perspective.When you want to make the point that Buy-and-Hold works, you tell me where your portfolio stands TODAY. From my perspective, that is a foolish way to look at things. To quote today’s value is to focus on the short-term. Jack Bogle himself says that only long-term thinking works in this field. So why are we arguing over whether short-term demonstrations of success are the right way to measure success or not? We need LONG-TERM demonstrations of success. It is the long-term that matters. We should be in agreement on that point.The Investor’s Scenario Surfer tells the long-term story. You should run scenarios with it. That would help you learn what you need to learn. You would be able to see with your own eyes that what we are going through today is in no way, shape or form special. There is nothing even a tiny bit Black Swanish about the 2008 crash. The 2008 crash was typical. It is what has happened EVERY TIME Buy-and-Hold has become popular. It is a logical impossibility that anything else could ever happen. To understand why, you just need to understand what causes price changes in the first place.You are thinking that market prices are real or official or reason-based or some such thing. You are taking them seriously. There is nothing serious about short-term market prices. They are the product of emotion. They are nothingness. I would be grateful if you would just stop looking at them and just stop quoting them to me. I don’t take cotton candy seriously.

The market wants to get the price right. That’s the entire purpose of a market. So that can never not be true.

This is why I can be so certain that there is going to be a crash. Markets MUST ultimately price things properly. This is an Iron Law of Stock Investing. It’s not Rob Bennett alone who says that. Freakin’ Jack Bogle says that! It’s so! Please forget the idea that we can avoid a crash. It’s not that your friend Rob thinks it won’t happen. It’s that there is an Iron Law that even Jack Bogle acknowledges that it CANNOT happen.

You want to know precisely WHEN this crash will take place. I can understand why you would want to know. You could make millions if you knew. You can’t know, Yip. Since we are in agreement re this point, I would think I would not need to explain to you why you can’t know. If you could say in advance when price changes are going to take place, you could engage in short-term timing. There is as much peer-reviewed research showing that short-term timing never works as there is showing that long-term timing always works. So why even discuss this question? I cannot tell you what you want to know. I do not know what day or week or month or even year the next crash is going to take place. I only know that it is coming.

That is a very, very, very, very, very big deal.

Use the Surfer and you will see why. VII beats BH in 90 percent of the scenarios I have run. In a large percentage of those scenarios, there were times when BH was ahead by a lot. How does VII always catch up and surpass BH? VIIers are protected from crashes. And crashes are absolutely devastating to BHers. It is impossible for me to say with words how damaging they are to your long-term financial health. You have to run the numbers. The effect is huge. You lose not only the dollars, you lose all the compounding on those dollars FOR DECADES TO COME. It’s impossible to recover from the sort of hit you insure for yourself from following a Buy-and-Hold strategy within the course of a single investing lifetime. The numbers are just too big. It cannot be done.

A mind that was not addicted to GRQ could see this easily just by comparing where we were in 2000 with where we will be at the end of this secular bear market. We were at three times fair value in 2000 — Call that 3x. Every secular bear in history has ended at 0.5x. That’s a loss of five-sixths of one’s accumulated life earnings. The fellow who had $600,000 of wealth in 2000 will end up with $100,000. The fellow with $1.2 million will end up with $200,000.

Getting control of your emotions is 80 percent of the stock investing project. Get that one right and you cannot lose, regardless of what else you mess up. Get that one wrong and you cannot win, regardless of what else you get right. Reining in the GRQ impulse is the entire game.

To get control of your emotions, you must be willing to look at the metric that tells you how emotional the market is at any given time. That’s P/E10. There is no other way, Yip.

I don’t know when the crash will come. I don’t think anyone knows. I believe that the people who pretend to know are fooling themselves.

I know that there is 32 years of peer-reviewed academic research (NOT opinion) showing that a crash is coming.

I was asked to give a time frame and  felt that that was a reasonable thing to demand of me. So I gave it my best shot. I said that, if we do not see a crash by the end of 2015, that would be grounds to question this VII stuff. I think that is fair. We cannot say when it will come but there are lots of reasons to believe that it should come by the end of 2015. If it doesn’t, that would suggest that we are missing a big piece of the puzzle and I think it would be fair for my critics to point that out. That’s all I can say on the matter.

I can give the reasons why I view the end of 2015 as being an outside date. But they don’t matter. You’ve heard them before. The bottom line is that we cannot give a precise date. Emotions are not predictable to that extent. But the entire historical record indicates we should see the crash by the end of 2015. I don’t have a crystal ball. I am just reporting what the data tells us. WHICH WAS THE ENTIRE IDEA OF THE BUY-AND-HOLD PROJECT ONCE UPON A TIME.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: financial crisis, investing research, investor emotion

“Emotion-Informed Investing Is the Future. Emotion-Ignorant Investing (Buy-and-Hold) Is the Past. Bogle Should Be Interviewed in Psychology Today. He Couldn’t Handle It Today. But Once He Brings Himself Up to Speed on the Peer-Reviewed Academic Research of the Past 32 Years, He Will be Just Fine.”

June 21, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the discussion of a blog entry posted at this site:

When is your interview with Psychology Today?

I understand that you are being sarcastic, Sparky.

But an interview with Psychology Today would be 100 percent appropriate and 100 percent wonderful. I look forward to the opportunity to participate in such an interview.

The Buy-and-Holders achieved an amazing advance in rooting their strategies in the academic research. I am 100 percent with them re that one. I am also 100 percent in accord with the Buy-and-Holders in their belief that the key to long-term success is becoming an Unemotional Investor.

The dispute is over how best to achieve that goal.

All overvaluation and undervaluation is the product of investor emotion. What P/E10 tells us is how emotional investors are being at any given moment in time.

The Buy-and-Holders aim to keep the emotion out of stock investing by IGNORING emotion. Just don’t include the metric that identifies the extent of emotionalism in the stock price and you’ll be fine, according to the Buy-and-Holders.

No!

Re that one, I am in TOTAL disagreement with the Buy-and-Holders.

The key to avoiding investor emotion is to become knowledgable about investor emotion. You don’t want to ignore investor emotion, you want to immerse yourself in it. You want to include the emotion factor in ALL your research and in ALL your allocation decisions. It is absolutely critical.

That’s Valuation-Informed Indexing. That’s the advance that we achieve over Buy-and-Hold.

You could call it Emotion-Informed Indexing. That would be perfectly appropriate.

Emotion-Informed Investing is the future. Emotion-Ignorant Investing (Buy-and-Hold) is the past. Emotion-Ignorant Investing ALWAYS fails in the long run.

ALL the experts in this field should be doing interviews in Psychology Today. The fact that you put forward the idea in a sarcastic way reveals how far off the right track the Buy-and-Holders have wandered in recent years.

Bogle should be interviewed in Psychology Today. He couldn’t handle it today. But, once he brings himself up to speed on the peer-reviewed academic research of the past 32 years, he will be just fine. We all should be working together to help our good friend Jack Bogle sufficiently up to speed on the investing research so that he will become able to handle an interview with Psychology Today with ease.

My best wishes to you and yours.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: investor emotions, Investor Psychology, Stock Valuations, the future of investing

“Hearing Doubts Expressed Is Disconcerting. It Hurts, Especially If In Some Part of Their Minds They Entertain Similar Doubts. I Have Said Many Things That Have Caused Many Buy-and-Holders to Feel Pain.”

June 14, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to a discussion of a blog entry at this site:

Say that the Phillies are playing the Yankees in the World Series and that it is the seventh game and that you do a statistical analysis showing that the pitcher they have slated to go is not up to the job. Say that you write this in a column with the aim of persuading the manager to use a different pitcher who according to your statistical analysis is more likely to win the game.

Is that “offensive”?

Many Phillies fans would find it so. They want to win the game. Hearing doubts expressed is disconcerting. It hurts, especially if in some part of their minds they entertain similar doubts.

But what you are saying is not “offensive” in an objective sense. If you claim to be a loyal Phillies fan and you have information that could help them win the World Series and you fail to reveal it because you are afraid that people will get mad at you if you do, you are a coward and not a true fan. You MUST share that information regardless of what it causes people to say about you.

I have said many things that have caused many Buy-and-Holders to feel pain. That’s an established fact.

I did it to help them achieve financial freedom many years sooner than would otherwise be possible. That’s the name of the game we are playing here. Someone who possesses information that would help his friends to achieve far higher returns at greatly reduced risk who fails to share has let down his friends in a serious way.

This I will not do. Not ever.

Sometimes learning experiences hurt. If you fall off a bike, it hurts. The answer is not to avoid learning how to ride a bike. The answer is to accept that sometimes learning experiences hurt but also to understand that they are worth undergoing because learning experiences ultimately bring us more joy than pain.

Every painful experience I have caused the Buy-and-Holders was part of a learning experience that they need to undergo to become the investors that deep in their hearts they all want to become.

I have been LOYAL to the Buy-and-Holders in a way that a lot of the “experts” that they slobber over have failed to be loyal to them.

I wish you all good things, Annie.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: investor emotion, Investor Psychology, investors in pain, truth about investing

“You Are Angry With Me Because You Are Trying to Suppress a Part of Yourself That Knows That I Am Right. You Hate Me Because You Hate the Part of Yourself That Causes You to Suppress Your Capacity to Engage in Reason re Investing Issues”

April 5, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to a discussion thread at this blog:

Rob,

Since you believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong, you must have a massive net worth by now. Care to share the details?

We all believe we are right, Sparky.

You believe you are right. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t be here.

The difference between me and you is that, while I believe I am right, I ALSO believe that it is possible that I could be missing something and that I could be wrong. So I believe in letting the other guy have his say. That way, if it turns out that HE is right and I am wrong, I get to learn from him and correct my error before it destroys me.

That’s the practice that you should follow too. I am right about that one! I am sure!

I don’t believe everyone else is wrong.

I learned about the errors in the Old School studies from reading Bogle’s book. If I thought he was wrong, I wouldn’t have put up that famous May 13, 2002, post, right?

I learned that valuations affect long-term returns from Shiller. If I thought he was wrong, I wouldn’t have created the Stock-Return Predictor, right?

I learned that we today are capable of reducing stock risk by 70 percent from Wade Pfau. If I thought he was wrong, I wouldn’t be sending 100 e-mails per day trying to get the word out about his research, right?

I don’t even think YOU are wrong about everything.

I don’t know which Goon you are. But I recorded two podcasts that were rooted in questions posed to my by Drip Guy at the Goon Central board. How would he know to pose those questions if he was wrong about everything? What you are saying here just does not add up.

You’re not angry with me because you think that I think you are wrong. If you thought that I thought that you were wrong, you wouldn’t care what I thought. You would do your thing and you would be content for me to do mine. It wouldn’t be an issue.

You are angry with me because you are trying to suppress a part of yourself that knows that I am right. You want to treat those bull market gains as real. And, if you allow yourself to think about what the word “overvaluation” means, you can’t do it. So you suppress the part of your thinking process that leads you to that conclusion. And I remind you of that. So you hate me. BECAUSE YOU HATE THE PART OF YOURSELF THAT CAUSES YOU TO SUPPRESS YOUR CAPACITY TO ENGAGE IN REASON RE INVESTING ISSUES.

That’s the source of the hate, Sparky. We are so alike and we agree on so many issues that you cannot dismiss what I say. And yet you must! If you were to acknowledge that what I say is OBVIOUSLY so, you would have to acknowledge that you have thrown away opportunities to earn far higher returns at greatly reduced risk. That hurts. That hurts a lot.

You know what?

It hurts more to delay the resolution of the hurt. All you are doing is extending it. That’s a lose/lose/lose. It is because I am your friend that I always urge you to experience the pain and thereby put it behind you.

All the others are doing the same thing.

Not because they are dumb. Not because they are bad people.

Because we the humans did not come to this planet with perfect knowledge. We pick up insights here and there and try to put the puzzle together over time. Lots of good and smart people came before me and put lots of important pieces together. I happened to be the person who was standing over the last piece and happened to notice it and picked it up and made the entire thing click.

So the heck what?

I don’t say that I get all the credit for Valuation-Informed Indexing. YOU say that. And they you become enraged to hear it. I never said it. I offered my friend John Greaney the opportunity to have his name on the first New School SWR study. He would have the biggest investing site on the internet today if he had taken me up on that offer. He pissed away the chance. Not at my urging. I urged in the other direction. A lot.

I don’t say that I am better than you, Sparky. I say that science is better than superstition. I say that love is better than hate. I say that data is better than intimidation tactics. YOU are the one who aligns Sparky with superstition and hate and intimidation tactics. YOU are the one who keeps pulling you down, thereby making me look better and better and better in contrast. I have nothing to do with any of that. The only role I have played is to urge you over and over and over again to knock off the funny business.

I wish you well.

That says it, Sparky.

Only you can turn off the hate inside you. No one else has the power to do it.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: financial crisis

“Rob, Your Claim That a 65 Percent Price Drop Is the Default Expectation Is Just Absurd. Breathtakingly Absurd.”

March 13, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:

Hocus, that a 65% drop is the DEFAULT position is just absurd. Breathtakingly absurd.

Was it absurd that the safe withdrawal rate was 1.6 percent back when I first reported that it was 1.6 percent?

The Nisiprius post at Bogleheads yesterday hit it on the head.

Anything less than 7 percent was absurd in the mid-90s.

Then anything less than 4 percent was absurd after the Old School SWR studies were published.

Now the “official” line is that 3 percent is no longer absurd.

And after the next crash the new official line will be that anything above 2 percent is absurd (the SWR then will be 9 percent).

Buy-and-Holders treat nominal prices as reality. Nominal prices sometimes differ from valuation-adjusted prices enough to make valuation-adjusted prices appear “absurd”. From your perspective, what I am saying is absurd. That much is indeed so.

The question is — Can you be 100 percent certain that your position is the correct one?

The completely honestzzz repsonse to that question is that none of us can ever be 100 percent certain of anything. I cannot be 100 percent certain that VII works. I cannot even be 100 percent certain that the moon is not made of green cheese. I am 99.9999 percent certain about the moon thing. But not 100 percent.

We have a way of dealing with this reality of life down here in the Valley of Tears.

We let the other guy have his say. We don’t engage in death threats. We don’t engage in tens of thousands of acts of defamation. We don’t engage in board bannings. We don’t threaten academic researchers. When people do those things, they violate our cultural norms. We hold them civilly and criminally liable for the harm they have done to others.

If you are right and we never see the 65 percent price drop, you are for practical purposes probably in the clear, Yip. As you note, I have not been able to get influential people to take up my cause. So, in that event, you may get away with what you have done.

Just please remember that Jerry Sandusky got away with what he did for a long time before he was brought to justice. And Lance Armstrong got away with what he did for a long time before he was brought to justice. Conditions can change. And then a hammer can come down very hard. People don’t like being made fools of. If people do learn that you were making fools of them for a long, long time, the hammer may come down on you very hard indeed.

I will stand by you on all the points that count in your favor. There really were “experts” saying what you said. There really once was academic research supporting you. You really do follow the strategies you recommended for others. I am in the minority. All these things are so and I will testify that all these things are so and I will point people to the Post Archives showing these things to be so. I will argue that this is a case in which a measure of mercy is called for, that this is a case in which we need to have understanding of human failings and that we need to put the ugliness of criminal trials and prison sentences behind us and move on. All that you will get from me.

You won’t get perjured testimony from me. I ain’t interested in going to jail myself. So I will testify to the other stuff too. In cases in which you have left me no alternative, I will paint you in a bad light because there are some things re which there is so much evidence that I go to jail myself if I do not acknowledge the reality.

People will be hurting. In a horrible way. You did that. People are going to be very angry. You got a small taste of what the public mood will be in the time after the September 2008 crash. This one will hit with ten times the force. The mood will be 10 times worse this time.

I’ll do what I can. I can only do so much.

What I say seems absurd from the perspective of someone who believes in Buy-and-Hold. And you do believe. But the laws of this country do not permit the behavior you have evidenced even in cases in which the person engaging in the behavior truly believes that the statements are absurd. There is no “absurd” exception to our civil and criminal laws.

So you had better be very, very very, very, very sure. You are risking the continued viability of the economic and political system of this country. And you are risking every penny you have saved in this lifetime. And you are risking your personal freedom for the remaining days of your retirement.

My take is that the fact that you would even for two seconds give consideration to the idea of risking all that because some fellow on the internet discovered an error in a safe withdrawal rate study you liked is itself strong evidence of the dangers of the Buy-and-Hold “idea.” But I am confident that you view that one as “absurd” too. You would, wouldn’t you?

As absurd a person as I may be, I care for you and I will do all in my power to help. You’ve got my pledge re that one.

It is my belief that I am running out of time re my efforts to help you in an effective way. I am bound by conscience to report that reality to you, as absurd as you you no doubt hear it to be.

I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors.

Hang in there, man.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: Investor Psychology, next great depression, stock crashes

“The P/E10 Value Can Never Be Priced In. A Crazy Person Never Knows That He Is Crazy. If He Did, He Would Be Sane. So Overvaluation Can Never Be Priced In. That’s Why P/E10 Is a Metric Like No Other.”

March 8, 2013 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:

I agree it’s entirely possible that the stock market (i.e., the S&P 500 Index) could drop precipitously for any number of “real-world problems, geopolitical turmoil, economic weakness, high unemployment, you name it.” There’s a quote from Tolstoy that sums up precisely the trouble that you are having understanding how stock investing works, Yip. He said (I am paraphrasing): “There is no concept so hard to explain that it cannot be easily taught to the dumbest person alive if he starts out with no knowledge of the subject. But there is also no concept so simple to explain that it can be conveyed to the smartest person in the world if he starts out thinking that he already knows all there is to know about the subject.”

You are not dumb. Neither are any of the other Buy-and-Holders. But you are having a very, very, very hard time understanding some exceedingly simple ideas. Your problem is that your belief in Buy-and-Hold cripples you. All information that tries to get into your mind first passes through a Buy-and-Hold filter. And all of the findings of the peer-reviewed academic research of the past 30 years are instantly rejected without any consideration. You cannot advance in your understanding until you make some effort to turn off that filter and listen to what the last 30 years of research is telling you.

The article says that the 65 percent price drop is a “worst-case scenario.” Huh? What the heck makes it worst case? It is the DEFAULT scenario. To expect anything less than a 65 percent price drop is to expect something we have never seen in 140 years. It is to expect something fantastic and preposterous. Now, that doesn’t mean we cannot see a drop of only 60 percent. That’s close enough to the default scenario that it is for all practical purposes a playing out of the default scenario. But we are just as likely to see a drop of 70 percent as we are to see a drop of only 60 percent. There’s no law that says that deviations from the default can only be in one direction. If you are going to propose that we are going to see some extreme outlier possibility like a loss of only 50 percent, you must in honestly acknowledge that the odds are just as good that we will see an extreme outlier possibility in the other direction, a loss of 80 percent rather than a loss of 65 percent. The default is the most likely scenario, NOT a worst-case scenario. Please try to stop getting that one wrong. It matters.

Now —

The real question is why do you keep making this elementary mistake?

There are two reasons, one substantive and one emotional. I talk about the emotional one all the time. You built your retirement plan on a discredited theory and it causes you intense emotional pain to accept that you were fooled. So you resist the message of the last 30 years of academic research. Let’s leave that one aside for now. The people who planted the wrong idea in your head are not bad people or dumb people. How is it that they came to plant the bad idea in your head? Let’s look at that one, the substantive hang-up you face.

The human race was not created knowing all there is to know about stock investing. The Efficient Market concept is a hypothesis. It possesses at least a surface plausibility. And there really is research that appears at first to support it. So many smart and good people bought into the idea. They then constructed an entire model for understanding how stock investing works built on the hypothesis. That’s Buy-and-Hold. The problem we face today is that, if the core principle of your model is wrong, the entire model is wrong. The Buy-and-Holders got the core principle wrong. So they got everything wrong. Not by intention. Inadvertently. But still.

The thing that they got wrong is the idea that long-term timing is not required. There is a perfectly understandable reason why they got it wrong. Long-term timing works only for those invested in index funds. Guess what? Index funds did not exist at the time Fama was doing his research showing that it is not necessary to time the market. Stock investing in those days meant investing in individual companies. Timing does not work for those who invest in individual companies. There is a sense in which Fama was right.

But the statement “timing doesn’t work” is 100 percent wrong. One form of timing — short-term timing — ALWAYS works. ALWAYS. There has never been an exception. There never CAN be an exception. I’ll explain why below. But first I must take the “timing always works” claim one step farther. It is not just that timing always works. It is that timing is always REQUIRED. To engage in long-term timing is to exercise price discipline. It is price discipline that permits markets to perform their magic of setting prices properly. Take price discipline out of a market and you make that market dysfunctional. No market can survive without price discipline. When the Buy-and-Holders told us that we do not need to exercise price discipline, they advanced an attack on our stock market. Which is another way of saying that they advanced an attack on our economic and political system — Millions of middle-class people have their retirement money in the stock market and our economic and political system cannot survive if the stock market is destroyed by the promotion of Buy-and-Hold strategies and all those people lose all their money.

Now —

I said that it is not possible to imagine a circumstance in which long-term timing would not work. Why do I say that? Because it follows from the research-based model for understanding how stock investing works. It does not follow from the Buy-and-Hold model. That is certainly so. But the Buy-and-Hold Model has been discredited. Nothing the Buy-and-Hold Model tells us matters any more. Once a model is discredited, it no longer serves the purpose of informing people about how the thing it is a model for works. Buy-and-Hold ideas are today dangerous ideas.

The Buy-and-Hold Model posits that stock prices are determined by economic and political events. That’s why in your comment you refer to geopolitical turmoil and unemployment. If the Buy-and-Hold Model were valid, you would be right to do so. But if the Buy-and-Hold Model has been discredited, you are foolish to do so.

The Buy-and-Hold Model has been discredited. If the market were efficient (this is the core belief of Buy-and-Holders, it is the only possible reason why someone would believe that it is not necessary to take price into consideration when buying stocks), prices would play out in a random walk. No? It is only unanticipated political and economic events that affect prices, under the Buy-and-Hiold Model. Unanticipated events fall in a random pattern. They are not knowable in advance. That is the entire reason why Buy-and-Holders say the market is efficient. But if prices do not fall in a random walk, none of this is so. The Buy-and-Hold Model failed on the day Shiller published his research showing that long-term prices do not play out in a random walk. A somewhat plausible explanation of how the stock market works was discredited by the RETURN DATA.

If it is not economic and political developments that determine stock prices, what the heck is it? That is what we must know to develop a model that works.The clue is in P/E10. P/E10 is the metric that Shiller used to discredit the old model, to show that prices do not fall in a random walk. What is it about this P/E10 metric that permits it to do this amazing thing that no other metric has been able to do — predict stock prices effectively?

P/E10 concerns itself with something that no other metric concerns itself with. The others look at all the things that Buy-and-Holders consider important – various economic and political developments. None of those metrics matter because of a point made by Buy-and-Holders all the time. All that stuff is priced in. If you know that there’s a political crisis coming, so do lots of other smart investors. So knowing this grants you no edge. A metric that tells you when a geopolitical crisis is coming does not help you as an investor. If the results of that metric are already priced in to the market price (and they always are), you are right back where you were before you made use of the metric. Knowing things that are priced in does not help you identify times when stocks offer a strong value proposition.

P/E10 is different. P/E10 is the only metric that looks at an irrational factor, a factor that should not (according to the Buy-and-Hold Model) matter. P/E10 looks at mispricing. Mispricing is irrational. Investors should always want to price stocks properly. If they see that stocks are priced improperly, they should “exploit” the mistake so as to profit from it. This is basic Buy-and-Hold theory. All mispricing is crazy. P/E10 looks at how crazy investors are being at any given time. That’s what makes it different. That’s why it does the thing that no other metric can do. The P/E10 value can never be priced in. Why? Investors would have to be rationalzzz to price it in. But, if the P/E10 value is showing insane pricing, the investors who determined that insane pricing must themselves be temporarily insane. A crazy person never knows that he is crazy (if he did, he would be sane). Overvaluation can never be priced in. It is a logical impossibility.

P/E10 is what makes all the other research work. The Buy-and-Holders were pioneers. They achieved the biggest advances in the history of investing analysis by rooting their ideas in research. But they were missing one piece of the puzzle that could not be added to the mix until Bogle founded Vanguard in 1976 and made it possible to invest in index funds easily. Now we have all the pieces. Now we know what makes stock investing risky (the idea that a Buy-and-Hold strategy can work!). Since we know what makes stock investing risky, we now know what we need to do to eliminate stock investing risk.

Only one thing holds us back. Bogle doesn’t want to make that darn speech. He is too proud. Or perhaps he doesn’t want to hurt the feelings of his many Buy-and-Hold friends. Or perhaps he is afraid about the trillions of dollars in legal liabilities that the Buy-and-Holders have taken on during their 10-year cover-up of the errors in the Old School SWR studies. Whatever the reasons, he is obviously reluctant to step forward and do what need to be done.

Once he does. all our troubles are over. Yes, there is still the dark cloud of lawsuits and prison sentences and all this sort of thing. But on the other side of the equation we have 30 years of peer-reviewed academic research showing how to reduce the risk of stock investing by 70 percent. That is going to bring on a huge economic boom when word gets out. That huge economic boom is going to put smiles on millions of faces. People with big smiles on their faces tend to sue for smaller numbers and tend to demand shorter prison sentences than people who are living through Great Depressions. So I feel strongly that we should all be working together to persuade our good friend Jack Bogle to give that speech by the close of business today if not sooner.

That’s myzz sincere take re these important matters, Yip.

I naturally wish you all the best that this life has to offer.

Rob

 

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: behavioral finance, Investor Psychology

“We Don’t Accept the Phony Numbers. We Fear the Emotional Pain We Experience When Our Longstanding Game of Let’s Pretend Is Exposed to Daylight. We Are ASHAMED.”

December 5, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below are the words of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:
I’m afraid you’re going to have to settle for the “cotton candy” money everyone else accepts without question but which you turn your nose up at! 

There’s a limited sense in which it is so that I have to “settle” for the cotton candy money that many accept without question. I don’t need to invest in stocks at times of insane overvaluation. But I am affected by the economic crisis that follows when all others learn that the gains they were counting on to finance their retirements were just cotton candy nothingness. We ALL lose when that happens, Buy-and-Holders and Valuation-Informed Indexers alike. There is no way to avoid these losses other than to open the internet to honestzz posting on stock investing issues, so that we can all become more effective long-term investors and stop bringing these economic crises on ourselves.

I DO turn my nose up at the phony gains. I think all others should too. It is insulting for people trying to sell me something to think that I would fall for such an obvious trick as them saying “oh, look, we will flatter you by pretending that you are an investing genius and much farther along in your retirement planning than you really are if in return you will just agree to buy our product even when we offer it to you only at insanely inflated prices.” Yuck! It is degrading for people of intelligence to make such offers and it is degrading for people of intelligence to accept such offers. I want no part of it other than to educate people to the dangers of buying into such baloney.

The one part of the statement above that is off is the part that says that “everyone else accepts without question” the phony money. This is not so. There are many, many people who question the phony money. John Bogle is the King of Buy-and-Hold and it was John Bogle who taught me what I needed to know to know that the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies get the numbers wildly wrong. Bogle wrote in his book that Reversion to the Mean is an “Iron Law” of stock investing. If Reversion to the Mean is an Iron Law of stock investing, there ain’t no way on God’s green earth that a study that does not consider valuationszzz can get the SWR right. The logic chain there is 100 percent rock solid.

Should Bogle be more clear about what he knows? Instead of talking in convoluted riddles, should he say in clear and firm and certain terms that “the Old School SWR studies get the numbers wildly wrong”? Of course.

But this is not all Bogle’s fault. We have a role too. His responsibility is greater because he puts himself forward as an “expert.” But we have a responsibility to handle our personal financial affairs in a reasonable way and it is obviously not reasonable to fail to divide our portfolio values by three at a time when stocks are overpriced by a factor of three and we are trying to determine whether we have large enough portfolios to support early retirements. So we are complicit in the giant act of financial fraud. They did not do this to us, at least not entirely. They were able to do it to us because we so desperately wanted them to do it to us and we made our desires to be taken in this way so evident that the Get Rich Quick Con Men could not resist the bait.

It is false to say that we all “accept without question” the phony numbers. The proper way to say it is that we all feel intense emotional pain over our decision to PRETEND to accept without question the phony numbers. If there were true acceptance of the phony numbers, we would not become defensive when the numbers were questioned. Our defensiveness, evidenced through death threats, board bannings, tens of thousands of acts of defamation and threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs, tells the true tale. We don’t accept the phony numbers. We fear the emotional pain we experience when our longstanding game of Let’s Pretend is exposed to daylight. We are ASHAMED of our deeply irresponsible behavior.

If we are ashamed, we are ashamed. The realities are what the realities are.

What I say is that we are in an economic crisis on its way to becoming the Second Great Depression. So we had better get sufficiently over being so ashamed before too much more sand passes through the hourglass or we are going to cause ourselves a whole big bunch of human misery.

It is certainly part of my job to care enough about my fellow humans to take care to be as gentle as possible in exposing the source of shame. Re that part, I am on board 100 percent.

But I cannot lie to myself by telling myself that I have done all that a person can do and that it is okay for me to let the ashamed humans cause themselves ten times more pain than they have already experienced and thereby bring on themselves ten times the shame than the amount that they are trying to cope with today.

The job is to be as honest as I can possibly be without crossing the line and becoming unloving while also being as loving as I possibly can be without cross the line and becoming dishonest.

No, I am not in favor of the idea of my friends making retirement plans based on phony numbers, Dab. I’ll tell you why. I believe that the Buy-and-Holders achieved a great advance when they promoted the idea that investing strategies should be rooted in academic research and in historical data. Had they remained true to that fundamental principle when Shiller published his breakthrough research in 1981, we would today be living in the greatest period of economic growth ever experienced in this nation. We betrayed our Buy-and-Hold principles when we imposed a Ban on Honestzzz Posting. When I post, I post honestly. So long as I allow the research to guide me, that will always remain true.

It’s not true for you today because you elected somewhere down the line to betray the fundamental principle of Buy-and-Hold Investing so that you could appease the voice within you asking you to indulge in Get Rich Quick investing just this once and just a little. It always starts out just this once and just a little. It always ends up where we are today.

The hand of kindness is extended to you, Dab. That’s not a time-sensitive offer. It will never be an act of kindness for me to indulge your Get Rich Quick fantasies. I would be grateful if you could try to evidence the respect that I know you deep down inside feel for your old friend Rob by trying to stop asking me to take this dark path. Re that sort of ugliness, I need to ask you to please try to find someone else. I am not your guy. I was not cut out for that line of work. Not this boy. No way, no how.

I can’t go for that.

It’s not my particular cup of tea.

No can do.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: bear markers, financial crisis, Investor Psychology

“Intellectual Work Is 20 Percent of the Work I Have Done Over the Past 10 Years. The Hard Issues Are Emotional Issues.”

October 24, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the Goon Central board:

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:
it’s just that not enough folks have yet been introduced to your insanity profound insights in order to create a tipping point which will make the Hocomania Wave unstoppable!  Yes, it’s a Tipping Point thing.

EVERYONE (including you, Yip!) knows that GRQ is garbage. That’s close to universal.

Virtually no one knew that Buy-and-Hold was GRQ garbage in 1974, when A Random Walk Down Wall Street was published.

We are today living through the transition period from believing as a society that Buy-and-Hold was the first research-based strategy (a perfectly reasonable belief in its day) to understanding that human knowledge was lacking re one critical question in 1974 (that long-term timing always works and in fact is required for any investor hoping to have a realistic hope of long-term investing success) to believing as a society that Buy-and-Hold was rooted in a mistaken understanding of how the market works and that Valuation-Informed Indexing (Buy-and-Hold with the unfortunate GRQ element removed) is the first true research-based strategy. The hold-up is that millions have been done great financial harm by the mistaken belief and saying out loud what we now know causes those people to experience a great deal of emotional pain. Most of us humans have elected to hold back from saying anything, hoping that things will work themselves out somehow. A few of the braver souls (Wade Pfau is in this category, as are Bogle and Bernsteinzz) drop veiled hints. Dropping veiled hints makes sense in that it offers a means to get the truth out without getting your head knocked off. BUT IT DOESN”T GET THE JOB DONE. People have been dropping veiled hints for 30 years and there are still people pushing Buy-and-Hold today, even after the onset of a freakin’ economic crisis. The Rob Bennett take is that we must go BEYOND veiled hints to the Valley of Death where we do the wild thing of reporting the SWR (and lots of other important numbers, to be sure) accurately and honestly. Imagine!

There is not one soul alive who is hurt by us doing this. Even The Stock-Selling Industry is far better off if we do the wild thing. You’d be surprised how much people cut back on stock purchases in a Great Depression! The question is — How do we get from Point A (economic crisis) to Point B (the place where we all want to be in our hearts, where the risk of stock investing is reduced by 70 percent)? That is indeed a Tipping Point question. People want to be able to make a buck telling the truth about stock investing. They don’t want to have people making death threats against them or threatening to get them fired from their jobs. We need to have enough people telling the truth that the idiots (this means you, Yip!) who are making death threats are the ones who feel social pressure, not the good guys trying to help us all. Wade would never have stopped doing honestzzz research if Old Saint Jack had had Lindauer banned from the Bogleheads Forum when Mel first threatened Wade. It was Bogle’s silence that caused Wade to feel pressured to flip to the Goon side. Bogle needs to be made to feel that he cannot get away with associating with Mel Lindauer or those who post in “defense” of him anymore. And of course everyone else needs to feel that way too.

It is not an intellectual problem we face. Intellectual work is 20 percent of the work I have done over the past 10 years. The hard issues are emotional issues. We don’t need more insights, we need more COURAGE. People develop confidence in speaking up when they see others speaking up and being rewarded for it. We need to start rewarding those putting forward research-based strategies and putting the heat on those who pump out GRQ garbage.

Once we hit the tipping point, we have 30 years of insights to mine together. Think where the electronics industry would be if the makers of Pong had had the power back in 1974 to stop all advances in the field because it made them feel bad for people to learn that their product was not the last word in electronic advances? That’s where we are in the investing field. We have seen powerful investing insight after powerful investing insight for 30 years now. But few benefit from the insights because we are all afraid of what the Buy-and-Holders will do to us if we give voice to our sincere beliefs. Once there are enough of us sticking together that the Buy-and-Holders can no longer intimidate us, that comes to an end and we move from economic crisis to the greatest period of economic growth ever experienced in our history.

I cannot wait! (And the full truth is that even you Goons will be glad we made the change once we get over The Big Black Mountain of legal battles and prison sentences and all that sort of thing.)

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: investment theory, investor emotions

“The Same Emotional Roadblocks That Make It Hard to Bloggers to Address These Matters Make It Hard for Me to Get the E-Mails Out”

October 22, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a thread-starter that I put to the Goon Central board:

This is tentative. I think I am beginning to make some slow progress in getting the e-mails out.I should have had hundreds of them out by now.  I think the number was about 12 through yesterday. For today, I think it will be five or six more. No great leap forward. But small movement in the right direction. My hope is that the next week will be better.I believe that the same emotional roadblocks that make it hard for bloggers and blog readers to address these matters frankly make it hard for me to get the e-mails out. We are all social creatures. We don’t like to point out shameful things. Our inclination is to cover them up. We don’t like to hurt people’s feelings. We don’t want people angry at us. This is the wall that must be overcome. It is by breaking down this well that I earn that $500 million.

I know from past experience (and from what I have seen with the first 12 or so this time) that the response rate will be very low. 50 e-mails won’t cut it. I need to get hundreds out. Perhaps thousands. The number needs to be big enough so that even a tiny response rate will yield results.

I may fail in this. The track record is mixed. I have been slow to act re many aspects of this. I always act eventually, though. I don’t quit.

Anyway, that’s the story.

WIsh me luck!

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: investment research, investor emotions, safe withdrawal, Wade Pfau

Obama’s Debate Performance and Buy/Hold

October 16, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a thread-starter that I put to the Goon Central board:

A lot of people are saying that explanation for Obama’s sub-par debate performance is that he was been protected from effective questioning for years by an adoring media.I see the same sort of phenomenon going on with the Buy-and-Holders. They tell each other that they have it all figured out, that everyone is wrong but them. It makes them feel good when they silence those reporting on the last 30 years of academic research because Buy-and-Hold sounds reasonable when you don’t know about the research. But avoiding questions leads to flabby thinking, poor debate performance and poor portfolio results in the long term.My sincere take.

Rob

Filed Under: Investor Psychology Tagged With: buy-and-hold is dead

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