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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “Are You the Only One Posting Honestly?”

June 28, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Are you the only one posting honestly?

I’m certainly not the only one who includes ANY honesty in his posts. But I think it would be fair to say that I have shown more of an unwillingness to post DIShonestly than anyone else working in this field.

Take Bill Bernstein. He said back in May of 2002 that you need to subtract two points from the safe withdrawal rate of 4 percent reported in the Buy-and-Hold studies for the effect of valuations when they are where they were at the top of the bubble. Subtract 2 from 4 and you get 2 — and that is indeed what the safe withdrawal rate was at that time. So Bernstein was engaging in a heroic level of honesty. Good for him.

But when he saw the controversy over my honest posting raging at the Bogleheads Forum, did he step forward and say anything? He did not. There were times when there was insanely abusive posting going on and he was in the room (we know because he posted on other topics) and yet he kept his mouth shut about the errors in the Buy-and-Hold studies. Huh? What the f?

There are millions of people who will be suffering failed retirements in days to come because of the 16-year cover-up of the errors in the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies (I am assuming here that stocks may continue to perform in the future at least somewhat as they always have in the past). Bernstein has been heroically honest. He has also helped the cover-up continue by failing to speak up when it was his responsibility to do so.

I have not been 100 percent honest. I kept my mouth shut from May 1999 through May 2002 re the errors in the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies. So I am 100 percent sympathetic to Bernstein’s situation (and, indeed, the situation of every person who works in this field today). But I certainly think it would be fair to say that I have gone farther than anyone else in publicly urging that we all pull together and bring a full and complete stop to the Campaign of Terror against our board and blog communities. I’ve got the scars all over my body to prove it! I mean, come on.

I am not the only one posting honestly. But as I have seen the damage that we all have suffered as a result of the dishonestly, I think it would be fair to say that I have been more open and strong in my calls for opening the entire internet to honest posting re the last 37 years of peer-reviewed research in this field than anyone else around. And it’s not a particularly close call!

Fair enough?

Rob

Filed Under: Rob Bennett

Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “You Constantly Present Yourself As the One Wise, Rational, Sensible Person in a World Where All the Rest of Us Are Frightened Little Rabbits.”

June 25, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“We want to get along with others. We want to have friends. We want to be popular. We want to see people praising us and linking to us.”

Among the vast number of things that aren’t helping your cause, your smug, condescending attitude ranks right up there. You constantly present yourself as the one wise, rational, sensible person in a world where all the rest of us are frightened little rabbits.

But whatever helps you get through the day.

I don’t doubt that there are many people who feel that way, Anonymous. It is not my intent to make people feel that way.

I believe that we all have inclinations that make us frightened little rabbits. I played the role of frightened little rabbit myself for three years. I knew in May 1999 that Greaney got the number wrong in his study. I had studied safe withdrawal rates on my own before I ever visited his site. So the first thing that I looked for was the valuation adjustment. There was none there. For three years, I kept my mouth shut. It wasn’t until the morning of May 13, 2002, that I worked up the courage to ask my fellow community members: “Do you think we should be considering valuations when we calculate the safe withdrawal rate?” So it would be fair to refer to me as Frightened Little Rabbit #1, right?

Shiller is a frightened little rabbit, no? We discussed just yesterday how back in 1996 he was saying things very much in tune with what I say today and then his prediction didn’t work out and he became a frightened little rabbit and now he just tries to keep it zipped re the controversial stuff. This is the guy that I describe as the most important investing analyst ever to walk Planet Earth. And he’s a frightened little rabbit in the extreme! If Shiller would stop being such a frightened little rabbit, things would go a lot easier for me, no? I have to acknowledge that that is what he is if I am going to make any sense of what has gone down over the past 16 years.

We are all frightened little rabbits. That’s a core reality of stock investing. And we all possess a powerful Get Rich Quick urge within us. That’s a second core reality. It is these two core realities that make stocks a risky asset class. Wade Pfau and I showed in the peer-reviewed research that we co-authored that we can all reduce the risk of stock investing by 70 percent just by not being frightened little rabbits and by working to rein in that Get Rich Quick urge a bit. Pretty darn exciting stuff, right? But how many of the millions of middle-class investors living in the United States today and seeking to put together effective retirement plans even know about the amazing Bennett/Pfau research? It’s a small number. Because the editors of the New York Times are frightened little rabbits. Wade would love to be awarded the Nobel prize he very much deserves for the work he did with me on that study. But he sees that most of us are frightened little rabbits and he worries that that might be so of the editors of the New York Times too and so he keeps his mouth shut for the time-being.

I don’t say that we are all frightened little rabbits because I want to hurt the feelings of my Buy-and-Hold friends, Anonymous. I say it because there is now 37 years of peer-reviewed research showing that this is what they need to hear to make sense of stock investing and to invest effectively for the long run. None of this is personal. I want people to be able to invest more effectively so that they can retire earlier. There’s no way to do that without pointing out that all the humans possess a Get Rich Quick urge and have an inclination to be frightened little rabbits at times. I don’t do it to hurt their feelings. I do it because I believe that it is something they need to know.

I 100 percent respect the right of any who don’t want to hear my message to just tune it out. But I know from long experience that there is a large number who very, very, very much want to hear the message and I believe strongly that they have every right to hear it. If you would just tune it out when it bothers you, all our troubles would go away. You would get what you wanted (freedom from having to hear how you can sometimes be a frightened little rabbit) and those who want to hear the message would get what they want. That’s the answer.

I do believe that you can be a frightened little rabbit at times. I get that it hurts for you to hear that. I believe it all the same. I don’t say that I am any different. I say that I have been a frightened little rabbit at times too. I say that every human has that inclination. I mean no offence. But if you take offence, I think the best thing for you to do would be just to tune out the message that you find offensive while permitting those who have expressed a desire to be able to hear it to make their own decisions about what messages to listen to.

I wish you all the best that this life has to offer a person, my sometimes frightened little rabbit friend.

Rob

Filed Under: Rob Bennett

Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: ” I Am Willing to Give Anything a Shot for a Period of Time (1-3 Years). But Spending 16 Years of My Time With $0 Earnings Is Beyond Any Level of Reason.”

May 4, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

I am willing to give anything a shot for a period of time (1-3 years). But spending 16 years of my time with $0 earnings is beyond any level of reason.

I was rereading yesterday’s posts this morning and I saw this one and I thought that I should make a point that I did not bring out in my original response.

In an objective sense I agree with this point. If you described to me some hypothetical scenario where a fellow waited for 16 years for things to turn around re some matter, I would be inclined to agree with what you are saying here, Anonymous. I would say “maybe waiting one year for a turn-around makes sense, perhaps two years, three years is pushing it. Not 16 freakin’ years!” So I get the point.

I sometimes ask myself: “If you knew how things were going to play out, would you have put forward that famous post from the morning of May 13, 2002?” Given the positive stuff we have seen over the past 16 years, the answer is obviously “yes, a thousand times yes!” There’s been a mountain of amazingly positive stuff. But given the negative stuff and given that the positive stuff has not to this day generated any cold hard cash for the Bennett family, an argument can be made that the negative stuff outweighs the positive stuff. The positive stuff outweighs the negative stuff when you take a global perspective — the advance that we all achieve with the shift from Buy-and-Hold to Valuation-Informed Indexing permits us all to live far richer (in every sense of the word) lives. But we all live our lives mostly in the hard-cash personal realm, not in the all-you-need-is-love global society-wide realm. As you note, the penalties that I have faced in the personal realm for my “crime” of posting honestly re safe withdrawal rates have been pretty darn severe. So has it really been worth it? Can I really make that claim with a confident, calm feeling?

There’s a reason why I often use the catch-phrase “I love my country — that’s the bottom line here.” There’s a motto they use in the marines — God, Country, Family. I don’t consider myself a particularly brave person. If I were asked to risk my life in a military battle, I would be afraid. I like to think that I would overcome my fears and do my duty. But I know I would be afraid. That’s the way I was made. I don’t see how it benefits me or anyone else for me to lie about that.

I have more courage to fight battles in the intellectual/emotional realm where these investing strategy battles have been fought. I have taken lots of hits standing up to you Buy-and-Holders. Lots and lots and lots of hits. And I have been a little bit afraid at times. But not nearly as afraid as I would have been were the battles being fought in the physical realm. I possess a lot more courage in the intellectual and emotional realms. I believe in God. I believe that things happen to us in this life for a reason. I believe that I was placed in circumstances in which my courage would be tested in realms in which I am capable of standing up to the test because God knows that I at least potentially possess what it takes to pass the tests in those realms.

When a man dies for his country as a soldier on the battlefield, no one says “oh, he is a fool, he gave up too much, he hurt his family.” People praise the fellow, they say he is a hero. God presented me with this other way of demonstrating my love for my country. He said: “Oh, you flatter yourself that you love your country and you are willing to make sacrifices for it, let’s see you stand up to these internet Goons, let’s see whether you mean what you say when you encourage your boys to be real men or whether you are just a hypocrite pumping out more hot air.” God (Evolution/Life/Fate/Circumstances/Whatever) placed me in a position where I could help millions of people by putting myself and my family through some temporary (16 years!) strain or where I could just decide that there is no reason why I should stick my neck out anymore than my heroes Jack Bogle and Robert Shiller have stuck theirs out and let our economic system go down because there was no one brave enough to stand up to the relentless hate of the Lindauerheads and the Greaney Goons.

I stood in the line of fire. I never flinched. I am proud of it. No apologies.

God will judge me when I die. That’s what I believe. I believe in my heart that I have passed the test. But I don’t want to be presumptive about it. I still ask myself the question every day. I still pray that, if I have gotten something wrong somewhere that God gives me the grace to see it and fix it before too much more time passes through the hourglass. But I sincerely believe that I have DEMONSTRATED my love for my country (and for my family too — my boys are going to have to live in the economic system that we are all creating with our actions today) with unwillingness to post dishonestly re the numbers that many of my friends are using to plan their retirements. I don’t just express my love for my country with words. I was there with my honest posts when it became clear to me that some honest posts were needed if this economic and political system of ours was going to continue to work in the future as well as it has worked in the past.

God help me, you know? It’s a big responsibility. It’s scary to be a human. We all have consciences. We know with a good bit of confidence what is right. But we don’t get to see the last page of the story in advance. So it’s always a little bit scary making the best of things with our limited brains and our limited understandings as each stage of the process plays out before us. God protect me. God give me guidance. God give me strength.

God help us all. God help you Goons. You Goons have that human thing going on somewhere deep inside no matter how much you endeavor to cover it up. Or so Rob Bennett sincerely believes, you know?

Take good care, my dear Goon friend. There’s a better place on the other side of The Big Black Mountain. Or so I heard in a story once. That sounded to me to be more or less on the mark.

Yowsa!

Rob

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“There Are Lots of People Who Try to Be Kinda Sorta Honest to a Limited Extent and Get Away With It. I Want More. I Want to Provide Millions of People Access to Honest and Accurate Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies. I Want to Bring the Economic Crisis to a Full and Complete Stop. I Want People to be Able to Retire Many Years Sooner While Taking on Only a Fraction of the Risk That They Were Taking on in the Days Before We Opened the Entire Internet to Honest Posting.”

April 19, 2018 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“My guess is that Shiller’s rationalization is that he can do more good saying things the way he does because at least he gets the message out”

What good is getting a message out if it’s the wrong message? MY guess is that your guess is pure speculation based on nothing more than wishful thinking. And that Shiller is saying exactly what he means. You would have us believe that Shiller will come out after the crash and say “I knew this would happen, I just didn’t want to be unpopular. But I’m telling the truth now. Really.”

What Shiller is saying is not the wrong message to the 10 percent of the population that has changed its investing behavior because of what he says. Take somebody like Microlepsis at the Bogleheads Forum. He was influenced by Shiller’s work. And he was an amazing poster. There were times when they took polls to see who the most popular posters were and Microlepsis was always at the top. Microlepsis helped lots of people. He was a goldmine of good information for all of us.

When the Linduaerheads took over, Microlespsis was banned. So none of us get the benefit of his thinking any more. I hate that. I want to change that. That’s what this is all about.

Some people tell me “oh, if you had just kept your mouth shut about the errors in the safe withdrawal rate studies, the Bogleheads Forum would still be at Morningstar and Microlepsis would still be posting and we would all be better off. I don’t see it that way. I agree that it would be good if we were still hearing from Micolepsis. But I want us all to be able to post honestly re safe withdrawal rates and scores of other critically important investment-related topics. So I cannot play it the Microlepsis way, which is essentially the Shiller way.

I want Shiller (and thousands of others) to speak out more clearly and more firmly and more boldly. There are lots of people who try to be kinda sorta honest to a limited extent and get away with it. I want more. I want to provide millions of people access to honest and accurate safe withdrawal rate studies. I want to bring the economic crisis to a full and complete stop. I want people to be able to retire many years sooner while taking on only a fraction of the risk that they were taking on in the days before we opened the entire internet to honest posting.

I get what Shiller is doing. I don’t endorse it. I urge him to speak out more clearly. But I get why he plays it the way he does. Maybe he is right, you know? I don’t think so. But I could be wrong. I sure believe that he has done a huge amount of good playing it his way. I can’t say different re that much. There would be no Valuation-Informed Indexing if not for Shiller’s willingness to put his neck on the line more than anyone else alive on Planet Earth has put his neck on the line re these matters. That’s no small thing.

I think that after the crash Shiller will probably say that he was worried that something like what happened might happen but that he didn’t focus on it too much because he was not sure and he did not want to upset people. And given all the good that he has done, I think that a lot of people will accept that. It may be that there will be some who will not accept it. That worries me. I will be urging people to accept it. But I cannot say whether my urgings will win the day or not. That one is not my call.

We are all in this together. Why don’t we all make clear to Shiller that we will impose no penalties for him speaking out clearly? We all play a role in this, each and every one of us. And we all will obtain the benefits that will follow from us making it together to the other side of The Big Black Mountain. And we all will suffer the negative consequences of further delays. Rather than single out Shiller or anyone else, I see it as the constructive route to just do what we are capable of ourselves to push things a tiny notch in the right direction. So that’s what I try to do each day when I wake up and come downstairs to see what appears on my laptop screen to kick off the new day.

Does all of that not make at least a reasonable amount of good sense?

Rob

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“I Am Just Waiting for the First Person to Come Up to Me and Exclaim “You Are So Lucky to Have Been the Person to Discover This!” I Am Going to Punch That Person in the Nose, You Know?”

December 13, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

If what you are doing is not working, perhaps you should try a different path.

I am not capable of posting dishonestly re the numbers that my friends are using to plan their retirements, Anonymous. It’s just not in me.

For good or for ill, I think it would be fair to say that I am stuck for life on the path that I walked onto on the morning of May 13, 2002.

Please don’t think that I am complaining. I believe that the opportunities that have become available to me by walking this path are enormous, just breath-taking. I believe that I have opportunities that I will be cashing in on in days to come that will make me one of the richest people in the world. I obviously don’t want to appear to be whining about that.

My point is that I would be stuck on this path even if I knew with certainty that it would never put a dollar in my wallet. I cannot post dishonestly re this stuff. When I was planning my early retirement, I worked it hard. I wanted to get the numbers right. That was very important to me. So it is just impossible for me to imagine how I could ever deliberately post dishonestly re the numbers being used by others. I could make mistakes. We all are capable of making mistakes. Even that scares me. But the thought of DELIBERATELY putting forward retirement-planning numbers that I know with certainty are wrong just doesn’t compute for me. It is not even possible for me to imagine circumstances where that could ever change.

I once told a friend of mine that I would die for Valuation-Informed Indexing if it came to that. He laughed. He said “That’s the kind of investing strategy that I need to learn more about — the kind that the guy who came up with it is willing to die for.” I thought that was funny. I got the joke. And I don’t mean to be morbid by talking about dying. I certainly don’t believe that I am going to have to die over this stuff. The point is just that there is no circumstance in which I could ever post dishonestly re safe withdrawal rates. If it came to it, I would prefer death to doing that. So obviously I am going to accept any other penalty that is imposed on me for my unwillingness to engage in fraud re these matters.

Say that you got hit by a car and were stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. That would be very bad news, right? That’s not something that you are expecting to see happen and it would be a major setback. But life would still be worth living, right? There are people who can only get around in wheelchairs who live very rich lives. They are not happy to be in wheelchairs but they are thrilled to be alive and they make the most of it.

That’s how I look at the situation that I am in. It is my sincere belief that I will be making millions on the other side of the Big Black Mountain. I am just waiting for the first person to come up to me and exclaim “You are so lucky to have been the person to discover this!” I am going to punch that person in the nose, you know? I swear. But I do believe that, when people look back at these days, they will be thinking how lucky I was to get there first and to have so few competitors and all that sort of thing. What good fortune!

But if it doesn’t happen that way, at least I gave it my best shot. At least I never sold out my fellow community members. If I never earn a dime, you could compare that to me being trapped in a wheel-chair for the rest of my life. It’s not something that I want to see happen. But I would still be thrilled to be alive even if I never earned another dime, you know? Worse things have happened to people in this big old goofy world of ours. If people have lived through worse and maintained their good cheer, it seems to me that I should be able to do the same with this smaller bit of bad fortune. And of course if I receive that $500 million settlement check, all the better, right? If I can hold up to never earning another dime, I can surely hold up to having to figure out how to invest $500 million without it causing me to go into too high a tax bracket.

If you come up with any ideas that put me on a different path and that don’t require me to cross to the wrong side of the felony line, please let me know. I am very much in the market for those sorts of ideas! But nothing on the wrong side of the felony line gets two seconds consideration from this boy. That’s just not the way that I am wired, Anonymous. I am a non-felony-committing fool any way you look at it. I am not offering any apologies. I am happy that I am a non-felony-committing fool. I like it that I am that, $500 million settlement payment or no $500 million settlement payment. But that is certainly what I am in any event. I have certainly never sensed even the slightest inclination in me to reverse myself on that particular call.

I hope that helps a small bit. I love all my FinCon friends and I 100 percent believe that we will all be able to form tighter bonds in the days following the next price crash, when all the resistance to talking over the far-reaching implications of the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research will melt away into nothingness. But we are just going to have to wait a bit to see how things play out following the crash to know for absolutely certain.

My best and warmest wishes to you, my long-time Buy-and-Hold friend.

Rob

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“There’s an Emotional Toll That Has to Be Paid for Telling People What the Last 36 Years of Peer-Reviewed Research Tells Us About How Stock Investing Works in the Real World. Do You See Anybody Else Doing It? Can You Point to Anyone Else Who Has Done As Much Of It As I Did in Earlier Years? There’s a Reason Why No One Else Goes There. It’s Hard Work. Taking Constant Emotional Hits Is the Hardest Kind of Work There Is.”

December 6, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Yes, you’re great at imagining. Not so great at actually doing. When is the last time you posted at any other blog?

I don’t recall. It’s been a long time.

But I certainly expect to be doing so in future days.

After the next crash, I am certain that I will be posting at lots of places. It will be a lot easier then. Emotions will have turned. I will not then be up against the emotional resistance that I have been up against for the past 15 years.

Would it be a good idea to do more posting at other blogs BEFORE the crash? I think it would be a good idea. But it’s hard. There’s an emotional toll that has to be paid for telling people what the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research tells us about how stock investing works in the real world.

Do you see anybody else doing it? Can you point to anyone else who has done as much of it as I did in earlier years?

There’s a reason why no one else goes there. It’s hard work. Taking constant emotional hits is the hardest kind of work there is.

I am proud that I have done as much of that kind of work as I have. I want to do more. I believe that I can do a lot of good by doing more. But I am not inclined to get down on myself for not doing more when I have already done more than anyone else out there. I am not super-human. I am made of flesh and blood like everyone else. I need to push myself as hard as it is reasonable to push myself but no harder. Pushing myself too hard would just make things worse. It would lead to me doing less of this kind of work instead of more.

These are my sincere thoughts re these terribly important matters, in any event.

My best wishes to you.

Rob

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Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “You Believe That You Personally Have It Within Your Power to Affect Whether Or Not We Experience the Biggest Social Catastrophe in U.S. History. Which Makes You a Nut.”

December 5, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Uh huh. None of those names you just dropped will correspond with you. Not a one. Some of them used to. But not anymore. Why do you think that is? Before your knee jerk reaction (Goon intimidation) I’ll tell you the real reason:

“we are going to experience the biggest social catastrophe in U.S. history.”

You believe you personally have it within your power to affect that outcome. Which makes you a nut.

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”

— Margaret Mead

Rob

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“My Agenda Is To Open Every Investing Site on the Internet to Honest Posting re the Last 36 Years of Peer-Reviewed Research in This Field.”

October 30, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

Rob,

Here is the difference between you and everyone else. The investment community reads the words Shiller says and believe that those are his opinions. You read what he says and then interpret it to fit your agenda.

My agenda is to open every investing site on the internet to honest posting re the last 36 years of peer-reviewed research in this field, Sammy. The Buy-and-Holders are good people and smart people. They came up with an investing strategy that they believe in and millions are grateful for their efforts. We have all learned many important things by listening to our Buy-and-Hold friends. All that is good.

Things turn sour when some Buy-and-Holders (not all, some) engage in abusive posting practices to block those of us who do not believe in Buy-and-Hold but instead believe in the 36 years of peer-reviewed research showing that valuations affect long-term returns from sharing on the internet our honest thoughts on how stock investing works. I have thoughts and I want to share them. I have had thousands of my fe llow community members express a desire to hear them. My views have been endorsed by some of the biggest names in the field. What’s the problem here?

We don’t agree. That’s the problem from your end. If I am permitted to post my honest views, some people who now agree with you are going to lose confidence in Buy-and-Hold. I get that and I agree. But you know what? It could be that Buy-and-Hold will prevail if we permit people on both sides to post honestly. That will make Buy-and-Hold all the more popular down the road. And, in the event that Buy-and-Hold really is as dangerous as I think it is, it is of course to your benefit to find that out. And the only way that you are ever going to find it out is to permit me and the thousands of others who have grave doubts about the Buy-and-Hold strategy to express their honest views.

Shiller’s ideas cannot be reconciled with Bogle’s ideas. Bogle believes that the market is efficient. Shiller believes that valuations affect long-term returns. These are completely different premises on which to build investing strategies. Some (the majority) believe that Bogle is right. Some (the minority) believe that Shiller is right. That’s not a bad thing. I think it is kind of a cool thing. Because we disagree, we both have someone on the other side to challenge our thinking and keep us honest. It’s a good thing that we don’t all agree.

So that’s my agenda. I want us all working together. I say that the goal is to learn the truth about stock investing and that the means by which we get there is to show respect and tolerance for those with other views. I don’t agree with you on many investing issues. But I sure respect you. I sure like you. I sure enjoy learning from you. I think it would be just groovy if you could say the same back to me.

It’s to be expected that we are going to have somewhat different takes re what Shiller says. And re what Bogle says. And re thousands of other things. We have different perspectives. When some new information bit appears before us, we both send it through out respective filters, which are designed to protect our differing perspectives from feeling the pain that comes when they are challenged in too serious a way. So we hear the same words and I have one take on what those words signify and you have a somewhat different take. What of it? That’s how things work when two people have different viewpoints. There’s nothing bad about that. That’s normal. That’s healthy.

I have learned things from you, Sammy. You show up here every week and you harass me. You have been harassing me at one place or another for 15 years running now. I would be grateful if you would just kindly knock off the funny business. But, if I were put to the challenge, I could write a long post detailing all the things I have learned from my interactions with you. That’s the good side of all this. That’s the side that I would like to focus on. I think it is very cool that I have learned things from you despite all the complications. And I have a funny hunch that if you were being perfectly honest you would acknowledge that there have been one or two occasions over the 15 years in which you have learned something from me too. That warms my heart, you know? It makes me happy that I have helped my friend Sammy out on one or two occasions.

I do indeed interpret what Shiller and everyone else says to fit my agenda. That’s normal. That’s healthy. That’s good. I cannot help you or anyone else if I do not process information in the way that I was built to process information. So that’s what I do. You can take or leave any of the products of my agenda. That part is up to you. But please don’t ask me to stop producing material that follows from a belief in my agenda. I cannot produce anything that helps you or others unless I post what I sincerely believe. So I do that and I intend to continue doing that.

I do it all out of friendship for you, Sammy. Believe it or not, that’s the bottom-line reality here.

Rob

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“I Greatly Enjoyed the Time That I Spent at the Bogleheads Forum and Learned a Lot From the Experience and Made Lots of Good Friends. But I Was Not Willing to Say Either That the Buy-and-Hold Retirement Studies Contain Valuation Adjustments or That Such Adjustments Are Not Needed to Get the Numbers Right. So I Am No Longer Permitted to Post There….We All Learn More When We Permit Our Beliefs to be Challenged in Civil and Reasoned Discussions.”

October 27, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a conversation that recently took place at the FinCon Community on Facebook:

Miranda Marquit: Also, I’m looking for a legit Boglehead. Any of you been (or still are) a Boglehead? Would like to know what it’s like to be on the “inside” as well as if there are some issues with being too fervent about it.

Doug Nordman: I’ve been a member of the Bogleheads forum since 2007, if that helps. I was also at the Vanguard Diehards forum with Morningstar when the first Bogleheads broke free to build a better forum. But I’ve never had any accounts with Vanguard or been to a Bogleheads’ meetup. Years ago I remember that Mike Piper had been to one.

The Bogleheads forum, like every forum, has its share of passionate zealots. It’s heavily moderated to stay on topic and avoid self-promotion, which its (remaining) members seem to prefer. Its wiki is also exceptional, and I’ve helped build out the military part of that.

It has a forum’s usual share of drama. It’s also produced several very good investing books and become a tremendous educational resource.

Tom Drake: Rob Bennett

Doug Nordman: Tom, I wouldn’t do that to Miranda.

Rob Bennett: Miranda knows me. We are friends. I am friends with Tom as well. And it has always been my hope to be friends with all Bogleheads (including you, Doug). The fact that some of my Boglhead friends do not view me as a friend is an unfortunate and sad reality.

Tom Drake: Miranda is looking for any issues, so I thought Rob would be a good addition to her post.

Rob Bennett: If I were asked by Miranda or anyone else about the Bogleheads Forum, I would say that it is an amazing resource populated by lots of smart and good people that has unfortunately suppressed discussion of the far-reaching implications of the 36 years of peer-reviewed research in this field showing that valuations affect long-term returns. I greatly enjoyed the time that I spent at the forum and learned a lot from the experience and made lots of good friends. But I was not willing to say either that the Buy-and-Hold retirement studies contain valuation adjustments or that such adjustments are not needed to get the numbers right. So I am no longer permitted to post there. It is my belief that I am not the only one who lost out as a result of that decision. Everyone who participates at the board lost out on a great learning experience. We all learn more when we permit our beliefs to be challenged in civil and reasoned discussions.

 

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“Some People Try to Retire Early to Escape Work. I Wanted to Retire Early to Do More Meaningful Work. That Is What Motivated All of My Saving Efforts.”

October 27, 2017 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

So instead of an easy job that pays money, you took a hard job that pays nothing. For 15 years and counting.

That sounds, now what’s the word? Dumb.

Most people would call it dumb. I think it would be fair to say that that’s why you don’t see anybody else doing it.

I do love my country, Anonymous. Some would call that dumb too. But I do love my country. I don’t mean that I go carrying the flag around on anything like that. I mean that I love the idea of progress, I love the marketplace of ideas. That runs very, very deep with me. I think that’s why I was the one who couldn’t turn away from the opportunity even when I saw the brutality that was going to be directed at me if I didn’t.

I have a law degree and a Masters in Tax Law. I obtained both of those degrees with zero intention of becoming a lawyer. I always intended to become a journalist. But I didn’t want to be an ordinary journalist. I wanted to be able to say something that mattered. Getting the tax law degree meant that I could understand and write about the tax reform movement in a way that none of the other journalists covering it at the time could pull off. So I went to that extra time and expense even though I did not have the money to spare. It was important enough to me that the work I did count for something that I was driven to go the extra mile.

Some would say that that was dumb too. People say all kinds of things. It wasn’t dumb for me. We all get to live one life. And we all have only so much money. I would rather spend mine making myself the best tax journalist out there than going on nice vacations or whatever. So I did what I did.

My Retire Early dream was the same sort of thing. Some people try to retire early to escape work. I wanted to retire early to do more meaningful work. That is what motivated all of my saving efforts. Again, this goes very deep.

So here I am. Yes, there are people who will say I am dumb. They have to live their lives and I have to live mine. If I didn’t jump on the opportunity that was presented to me to change the world in an amazingly positive way, I would have regretted it for the rest of my life. So even today I don’t have any second thoughts. It’s just not in me to play it any other way. I am a child of the 60s. I see this as a 60s kind of thing to do. It’s idealistic. I am an idealistic sort of fellow.

For good or for ill, I am doing what I believe I was put on earth to do. It would have made my life easier if someone else had taken on the opportunity. But whatever it takes to walk way from it, I don’t have that thing inside me. I like to think that I would not walk away from a burning building if I heard a baby screaming inside it. And I cannot walk away from a situation I discover in which millions of middle-class people are looking for good information on how to plan their retirements and they are all being given information that is 36 years out of date. However things turn out, I will be able to go to sleep at night knowing that I did not walk past the burning building.

The part that you miss is that the fact that this job has not paid money for 15 years is what makes it so important that I take it on. If it paid a nice, steady wage, there would be people lined up to do the job. It’s very important work and, because it is such hard work and it does not pay a steady wage, there is no one else willing to accept the assignment. That makes it all the more critical that I accept it. If there were others taking it on, I could take a pass. Or, if it were not critically important work, I could take a pass. As things are, I cannot take a pass and live with the knowledge that I have done so.

I hope that helps you understand this particular aspect of the question a wee bit better, my long-time Buy-and-Hold friend.

Rob

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