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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Director of Center for Health Law, Policy and Practice Scott Burris: “The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times That It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market”

April 15, 2013 by Rob

I have been sending e-mails to numerous people letting them know about my article reporting on The Silencing of Academic Researcher Wade Pfau by the Buy-and-Hold Mafia.

Scott Burris, Director of the Center for Health Law, Policy and Practice at Temple University Law School,  sent me a response saying: “I found the piece interesting — what one would expect from a Temple grad. I read the Pfau paper. Good luck with your endeavors.”

I wrote back: “Thanks for your kind wishes!”

Scott replied:

“This is what I wrote to my investment advisor. Did I correctly understand the argument?

“The Pfau paper addresses a point that, in my casual observation of the market and investment strategy, had also occurred to me: that the fact that aggressive and short-term market timing was unproductive did not mean there were never times that it would be wealth-maximizing to get out of the market. The challenge, of course, was to figure out the moment. This piece tests the use of a ten year average of PE ratio, and finds results comparable to buy-and-hold when adjusted for risk. This approach seems particularly applicable to people hitting their sixties, for whom shorter-term risks matter more. It’s notable, for example, that someone who’d followed this approach for a few decades would have gone to t-bills in 2009 and so, if they were about to retire, would have been richer and happier in 2010-11 and would still likely have been back in stocks in time to get some of the recent appreciation. Finally, in an era of economic financialization and weak regulation, one might expect a return to our pre-1929 pattern of frequent boom and bust cycles, suggesting, again for the retiring person, more of the unfortunate short-term effects of volatility.”

I replied:

Scott:

Yes, you understand the point. All of the things you say in that paragraph are accurate.

My personal view is that there is an even broader implication. The root question here is: How are stock prices determined? The conventional view is that it is a day’s economic and political developments that determine whether prices go up or down and by how much. The Shiller/Pfau research shows that this conventional view cannot be accurate. If the conventional view were accurate, prices would follow a random walk in the long term, just as they do in the short term. The research shows that long-term prices are highly predictable. The really important question is — How can that be? How can we know years in advance what stock prices will be?

The answer is that investors hold two opposite ideas in their heads at the same time. We all have a Get Rich Quick urge. So we very much want to believe that temporary and crazy bull market prices are real. We also all have a Common Sense urge. The Common Sense urge tells us to reject the temporary and crazy bull market prices. We SUPPRESS the Common Sense urge for the length of the bull market. Eventually, though, the Common Sense urge strengthens enough to gain the upper hand. That’s when prices crash. Crashes make no logical sense. All price changes should be gradual if the market is responding to economic or political developments, which play out gradually over time. But emotional changes can be violent. Crashes make sense in a world in which the dominant influence on price changes is investor emotion.

This means that 80 percent of the research being produced today looks at the wrong things. Most investing research is numbers-oriented. If it is an understanding of investor emotion that determines success or failure, we need to be looking at all sorts of thing that today we ignore. For example, we shouldn’t be blaming the stock crash on our economic problems. It is our lack of understanding of how investing works that caused our economic problems. Trillions of dollars are tied up in the stock market. The stock market is part of the economy. To successfully manage the economy, we first need to permit ourselves to learn more about how stock investing works. The first step is acknowledging that we did not know it all before Shiller and Pfau did their research.

This turns everything we think we know about stock investing on its head. It’s because the implications are so far-reaching that people are reluctant to discuss this. But the news is good, not bad! It’s true that we got a lot wrong. But that just means that we have lots of room for improvement. We have ignored Shiller’s research for 30 years. Imagine where we would be in the computer technology field if we determined in 1981 that every advance possible had already been achieved and that no further advances would be permitted. That’s what we have done in the investing field. If we open up discussion on all the advances that we achieved intellectually over the past 30 years, we would see 30 years of knowledge advancement in a very short amount of time (and these are the best 30 years of knowledge advancement we have ever seen in this field).

It’s impossible to overstate the importance of this (presuming the insights are valid). Look at the risk chart Wade provides on Page 8 of his paper. The Portfolio Drawdown Percentage goes from 60 percent to 20 percent with the move from Buy-and-Hold to Valuation-Informed Indexing. That’s a risk reduction for stock investing of nearly 70 percent! For investors who index and who pay attention to valuations when setting their stock allocation, stocks are today not much more risky than Certificates of Deposit. That changes everything.

One last practical point. The best way to think about this is not to say “there are times when it is a good idea to get out of the market.” It’s not possible to know precisely the right exit and entry points. P/E10 told you that stocks were insanely dangerous in 1996 and returns were amazing in 1997 and 1998 and 1999. The way to think about his is to say “risk is greater when the P/E10 level is greater and so I need to gradually lower my stock allocation in response to increases in the P/E10 level to keep my risk profile roughly constant.” The full truth is that, while stocks did well in 1997 and 1998 and 1999, the investor who lowered his stock allocation in 1996 is ahead of the game today. And he will be farther ahead after the next crash (every secular bear market in U.S. history eventually took us to a P/E10 level of 7 or 8, 65 percent down from where we are today. We cannot pick tops or bottoms. But we don’t have to. It’s risk that matters. We MUST manage risk. Those who follow Buy-and-Hold strategies are vowing NOT to manage risk as their first investing decision. That always ends up being a terrible choice in the long term.

Rob

Filed Under: Reactions to Pfau Silencing Tagged With: investing research. Wall Street corruption, Investing Strategy, market timing

Valuation-Informed Indexing #130 — Buy-and-Hold Can Give Good Results for 30 Years and Still Not Work As An Investing Strategy

February 14, 2013 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #130 to my weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called Buy-and-Hold Can Give Good Results for 30 Years and Still Not Work As An Investing Strategy.

Juicy Excerpt: The entire benefit of using academic research to guide our strategies is to help us to go beyond subjective impressions, which are heavily influenced by recent price trends. Research gives us something objective to look at. We should make an effort to rise above our knowledge of how things have played out in recent decades, look at the entire record of 140 years, and use the data to answer the more fundamental question — How does this business of investing in stocks really work in the long run?

Filed Under: VII Column Tagged With: Investing Strategy

VII #100 — Shiller Has Not Yet Given Clear Advice on How to Implement His Investing Insights

August 27, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted Entry #100 to my weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing column at the Value Walk site. It’s called Shiller Has Not Get Given Clear Advice on How to Implement His Investing Insights.

Juicy Excerpt:  I have devoted 10 years of my life to the project of writing articles and developing calculators and recording podcasts and producing column entries that explore Shiller’s model. That shouldn’t be possible. In a sensible world, there would have been hundreds of Shiller-centric sites in place when I came on the scene in 2002. There weren’t any then and there aren’t any now. If anyone reading these words knows of a good site devoted solely to exploring the implications of the Shiller model (other than my own, of course), I would be grateful if you would let me know about it.

Filed Under: VII Column Tagged With: Investing Strategy, Irrational Exuberance, Robert Shiller

“The Terms “Buy-and-Hold” and “Get Rich Quick” Are Synonymous. Virtually All of the Risk of Stock Investing Comes from the Human Inclination to Be Drawn to a Buy-and-Hold/Get-Rich Quick Strategy”

March 8, 2012 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently put to the Goon Central board:

Do these concepts look the same to you, idiot?

Yes, Drip Guy. The terms “Buy-and-Hold” and “Get Rich Quick” are synonymous. Virtually all of the risk of stock investing comes from the human inclination to be drawn to a Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick strategy.

I will make an effort to explain why this is so. If you make an effort to listen, I am confident you will get it. If you permit your rage at discovering that there was a time when you did not know everything there is to know about stocks overcome your reason, you obviously will fail to get it yet one more time. I can put forward the explanation. It is necessary for you to put a tiny bit of effort into this too for the back-and-forth to bear good fruit.

Here is your definition of “Buy-and-Hold:

used to describe the activity of investing in something and then keeping it for a period of time

That’s a good definition.

Now —

What’s wrong with the idea of investing in something and then keeping it for a period of time?

What’s wrong is that this definition says nothing about whether the thing invested in offers a strong long-term value proposition or not!

Warren Buffett holds his investments for a long time. But he sure as shootin’ ain’t no Buy-and-Holder in the way that it is practiced by Lindauer and Greaney and Bogle. Buffett buys things worth buying and holds them. Lindauer and Greaney and Bogle buy stocks when they are garbage and then refuse to consider selling no matter how much holding on to garbage depletes their portfolios.

Huh?

I am not overstating things when I say that stocks were garbage in January 2000, Drip Guy.

The most likely annualized long-term return was a negative 1 percent real. TIPS were at the time offering a positive 4 percent real. That’s a return differential of 5 percentage points per year. For 10 years running. That adds up to a total loss of 50 percent of the initial portfolio size.

You are telling me that this is an acceptable investment strategy? If you truly believe that, you are insane.

This is suicide investing.

There are ten different aspects of the Buy-and-Hold package that are pure gold. As you know, I praise these aspects of the Buy-and-Hold package to the sky all the time.

But the Get RIch Quick aspect is so devastatingly bad that it overpowers all that could be good about Buy-and-Hold.

There is not one person on Planet Earth who benefits from the continuance of this 10-year-long cover-up, Drip Guy. Certainly not any Buy-and-Holders.

The Buy-and-Holders should be dancing in the streets today. They are the ones who came up with the idea of rooting one’s strategies in the academic research. The research has now taught us how to reduce the risk of stock investing by 80 percent while delivering long-term returns far higher than most people ever thought possible. We should today be in the Golden Age of Stock Investing and celebrating the Buy-and-Holders for being the ones to have brought it to us.

Where are we instead? We are living through the worst economic crisis in U.S. history, one caused by Wall Street’s relentless promotion of an investing strategy that was originally intended to be research-backed but which became the opposite of that when research was published showing that the Buy-and-Holders got one thing horribly, horribly wrong and the Buy-and-Holders reacted not by fixing the mistake but by adopting a policy of engaging in defamation and death threats and board bannings and smear campaigns to block any of the millions of middle-class people whose lives are in the process of being ruined by this pure Get Rich Quick garbage from learning what they need to know to salvage what is left of their retirement hopes.

That’s brilliant work, Drip Guy. Congratulations! You’ve turned John Bogle into Bernie Madoff! You’re a true Boglehead through and though!

Heaven help us all.

Rob

Filed Under: From Buy/Hold to VII Tagged With: Bernie Madoff, buy-and-hold, financial crisis, internet goons, investing risk, Investing Strategy, John Bogle

What’s the Best Age at Which to Experience a Stock Crash?

February 3, 2012 by Rob

I’ve posted a Guest Blog Entry at the Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance blog. It’s called What’s the Best Age at Which to Experience a Stock Crash?

Juicy Excerpt: For young investors who have established themselves in good careers before a crash hits, the crash can actually be a big plus. Stock valuations always go to one-half of fair value before the bear market comes to an end. When stocks are priced at one-half fair value, the most likely annualized 10-year return is 15 percent real. Young investors experience small dollar losses in a crash and are then positioned to experience huge gains in the years when they are earning enough to invest heavily in the market.

Filed Under: Guest Blog Entries Tagged With: Investing Strategy, investor age, stock crash

The Historical Data Flips!

July 16, 2008 by Rob

Drip Guy made a good point in a post he put to the Goon Central board a few weeks ago. Ataloss argued that the reason why I say that the Old School safe-withdrawal-rate (SWR) studies are analytically invalid is that I don’t approve of relying on historical stock-return data to determine the SWR. Drip Guy quite properly responded that: “He wants to enlist ‘historical data’ to his own cause, so the inference is not that looking at history is innately bad in Hocoworld, but instead that prior studies were somehow specifically in error.”

Precisely so.

To appreciate the significance of my claim that the Old School studies are in error, it is helpful to understand the history behind development of the Old School studies.

Middle-class investors have long been anxious about investing in stocks. People have noticed that stock prices sometimes go down dramatically. Since most people hate the idea of losing large portions of their life savings, this observation quite naturally led to a widespread skepticism re the idea of investing too heavily in stocks. That was the state of play prior to the rise in popularity of the Passive Investing concept, an approach to understanding how stock investing works that is the root cause of the analytical errors in the Old School studies.

Passive Investing is irrational. It is obviously not smart to stick with a stock allocation adopted at a time of reasonable prices at a time when prices have risen to dangerously overpriced levels. So, in ordinary circumstances, no reasonable person would be advocating Passive Investing.

The reality is that many otherwise reasonable people recommend Passive Investing. It has become over the past three decades the dominant model of understanding how stock investing works. Huh? How dat happen?

What happened is that some very good ideas got mixed in with some very bad ideas. We have developed tools for analyzing the historical stock-return data that have permitted us to make stock investing a far more rational business than it had ever been in the years before these tools came to be available to us. Unfortunately, being the humans that we are, we messed up the implementation of these tools. Because of the mess-up, we ended up making stock investing a less rational business than it has even been rather than a more rational business than it has ever been. Oops!

If you have read the book Stocks for the Long Run, you know how the “rational” approach works. The idea is to look at the historical data, identify certain patterns, and assume (quite reasonably, in my view) that stocks are likely to perform in the future at least somewhat as they have always performed in the past. Following this procedure, you can make reasonable forecasts of how the stocks you buy are likely to perform.

This is a big deal. If you know how stocks are going to perform, you no longer need to be anxious about price drops. Sure, you might experience some doozies. But so what? If the claim put forward in Stocks for the Long Run — that stocks are always the best asset class in the long run — is right, price drops don’t matter so much. Price drops are temporary. Just stick with stocks, and all will be okay in the end. Don’t worry, be happy.

Most of the maxims that you have heard about stock investing over the past 20 to 30 years are the product of this “rationalizing” of the stock investing project. It is because of what they believe the historical data says that the “experts” say that no form of timing (even long-term timing) can work. It is because of what they believe the historical data says that the “experts” say that the conventional approach to buy-and-hold (sticking with a high stock allocation even when prices go so high that this becomes an extremely dangerous thing to do) is the way to go. It is because of what they believe the historical data says that the “experts” say that taking on more risk always leads to obtaining greater returns.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Passive Investing enthusiasts argue that their approach is the only rational one because their approach is rooted in the historical data. What the historical data says is not a matter of subjective opinion. It is a matter of objective fact. When you base your investing decisions on what the historical data says, you are basing your investing decisions on something solid. Passive Investing enthusiasts are not entirely wrong to claim that their approach is the only rational one; it really is more rational to focus on objective sources of information rather than subjective ones.

They are indeed wrong to say that their approach is the only rational one or even one of the rational ones, however. They are right in their rationale for making the claim. The historical data really is an objective source of information, and that really is important; objective information bits really should generally be given greater credibility than subjective information bits in investing analysis. There’s one big problem with these claims of the superiority of the Passive Investing approach, however. The analyses that back up this approach (including the research presented in Stocks for the Long Run) do not include adjustments for the effect of changes in valuations. The valuations factor is the single most important influence on long-term stock returns. Leave out that factor, and your claims to rationality break down. Leave out that factor, and all of the numbers you generate with your “research” are wrong!

The Passive Investing enthusiasts persuaded middle-class investors that it is safe to invest heavily in stocks even at times of sky-high prices. They did this because of what they saw in research that ignored the effect of valuations. Research that considers the critical valuations factor generates completely contrary findings. It is not safe to invest heavily in stocks at times of sky-high prices. It is extremely risky. Stocks are not the best asset class at times of sky-high prices. They are the worst. Hoo boy!

It is confusion over this point that is at the core of the “controversy” we have seen over the Retire Early Community’s SWR findings of recent years. The Old School studies, rooted in the Passive Investing model, say that the SWR is always 4 percent; the long-term value proposition of stocks is stable under this model. The New School studies say that the SWR ranges from 2 percent to 9 percent; the long-term value proposition of stocks depends heavily on the valuation level that applies at the day of a stock purchase, according to an analytically valid examination of the historical data.

I’m right. They’re wrong.

The Goons say it just the other way, of course. Listen to the Goons tell the story, and you will hear claims that they are right and I am wrong. That’s what makes them Goons!

I’m joking, of course. What makes them Goons is that they rely on deception, intimidation and word games to make their case. I think it would be fair to say after six years that they have no choice. I have never yet seen anyone try to make a non-Goon case for Passive Investing. The Goons have been driven to abusive posting (it is not my intent to excuse them but only to point out a partial explanation of their behavior and of our tolerance for it) by their discovery of the core irrationality of their investing beliefs. They very, very, very much do not want to change their beliefs and they have discovered that there is no rational defense of their beliefs possible.

The point of this blog entry is that Drip Guy is right in what he says in the words above. I do not find fault with those who use the historical data to assess the long-term value proposition of stocks. I love that idea! When I discovered Greaney’s web site, one of the things I most loved about it was his focus on SWRs. I get bored very quickly with hearing one expert say one thing and then another say another thing and then another say yet something else. All the blah, blah, blah leaves you knowing no more than you knew before you tuned in. The historical data tells you something solid, something you can sink your teeth into. One point re which I have always thought that Greaney nailed it was his insistence that we should rely on the historical data for guidance on when we have enough assets to be able to retire safely.

Where Greaney goes off the rails is in his claim that those who take valuations into account are “mentally ill.” I don’t buy it. Smart investors have been taking valuations into account since the day the first stock market opened for business. Warren Buffett is arguably the smartest investor who ever lived and his entire approach is rooted in performing valuation assessments.

If you love the idea of Rational Investing (I do!) but you hate the idea of failing to take valuations into account (I do again!), you cannot buy into the Passive Investing model. Yes, this model became extremely popular during the most out-of-control bull market in the history of the United States. But what chance does an approach rooted in research that gets all the numbers wrong have of surviving the most out-of-control bear market in the history of the United States (the historical data shows that bull markets are financed by a borrowing from future returns, so the largest bull markets set the stage for the largest bear markets)? Truly rational investors care about getting the numbers right. Truly rational investors do not invest passively, but in a valuation-informed way.

The historical data flipped!

That’s what happened. During the years when our visions of Getting Rich Quick through bull markets that went on forever dulled our ability to think clearly about the need to include all critical factors in our analyses of what the historical data says re long-term stock investing, we came to believe some things about stocks that cannot possibly be so. Now that prices are beginning to move a bit in the direction of fair-value price levels, our illusions are unraveling. The lesson is not that Rational Investing is a bad idea. The lesson is that Rational Investing needs to be truly rational. If you are going to use the historical data to guide your investing decisions, you need to be sure to use an analytically valid methodology to examine it.

Greaney and I are soul brothers on the question of the value of learning how to invest successfully by studying the historical stock-return data (I don’t get the sense that there are too many community members other than John and I and John Walter Russell who feel so strongly about this question). We are sworn enemies on the question of whether it is necessary to take valuations into consideration when performing an historical analysis. Greaney says that it is evidence of “mental illness” to do so. I say that it is not possible to get the numbers even remotely right without taking into account this critically important factor.

The historical data itself is objective. But those subjective humans have made it a matter of opinion as to whether all the factors that affect the question being examined need to be included in an analysis of what the historical data says on a given research topic. I like to think that there is one point re which we are all in complete agreement — those humans will do it to you every time!

Today’s Passion: Jeremy Siegel is a Dangerous Individual. I say it, so it must be so!

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: historical stock-return data, Investing Strategy, P/E10

This Month’s Permanent Portfolio

June 19, 2008 by Rob

The great thing about studying what investors say on discussion boards is that you learn about how things work in practice, not theory.

Investors have been told for 25 years now to follow buy-and-hold strategies. And they say they do. But do they really?

I’ve seen hundreds of comments indicating otherwise. One thing I’ve seen a lot of is a rigid adherence to the idea of buy-and-hold combined with an extremely loose understanding of what it involves in practice.

There are lots of investors out there who in 1999 believed with their entire minds, hearts and souls that owning the S&P500 and the NASDAQ forever was the essence of buy-and-hold. Then the idea became to own just the S&P500 forever. Then it was the S&P and value stocks. Then the S&P and REITS. Then the S&P and small caps. Then the S&P and a global index. Then the S&P and Emerging Markets. The idea seems to be growing of late that maybe it’s best to leave out the S&P altogether and just go with all the other possible slices and dices.

That ain’t buy-and-hold. The idea of buy-and-hold was to stick with a plan long enough to see if it can really pay off. Switching to a different Permanent Portfolio every six months or so doesn’t do the trick.

Investors are kidding themselves. They like the buy-and-hold idea, and for good reason. It is indeed important to stick with a plan long enough to give it a fair test. But the promoters of the buy-and-hold concept did a poor job of pointing out the pressures that those following it will feel to abandon it. As a result, most would-be buy-and-hold investors are unprepared for those pressures and have no idea how to respond to them other than to change their understanding of what constitutes buy-and-hold regularly enough to keep up with their changing desires to own different classes of stocks.

Buy-and-hold is a good idea. But the popular formulation of it is unrealistic. We need a new understanding of how buy-and-hold can work, one that stands a better chance of playing out well in the world of flesh-and-blood investors.

The problem is that buy-and-hold became popular during the longest and strongest bull market in U.S. history. People came to think that you could buy the S&P and forget about it. That of course can never work. When the S&P is selling at reasonable prices, it is a wonderful asset choice. When it is selling at the sorts of prices that apply today, it represents a dubious long-term value proposition.

If we could just say that, we could develop all sorts of strategies for following what are basically buy-and-hold strategies but that are a good bit less rigid than what many of the promoters of the concept have endorsed. Until we develop that freedom, many investors will feel that their hands are tied. It is taboo to change one’s stock allocation or one’s mix of asset classes. But it’s becoming increasingly clear that it is foolhardy not to make some changes in one’s portfolio when the investing environment changes dramatically.

Is it okay to make shifts in the makeup of your portfolio from time to time? Of course. It’s not only okay, it’s pretty much mandatory. None of us knows it all starting out. We learn over time. If we didn’t put what we learned into effect by changing the makeup of our portfolios, there wouldn’t be much point to learning, would there?

We need to be more up front about the changes we make and the reasons why we make them. Many investors have given up on the S&P500 in recent years. For good reason. The S&P is dangerously overvalued. We should learn from our mistaken belief of yesteryear that the S&P would always be as attractive a buy as it was back in the time when it was available at a far more reasonable price.

Buy-and-hold should be a tendency, a goal, a principle. When we make it a dogma, we switch onto the wrong track. We all need to make changes in our portfolio composition and in our stock allocation from time to time. We should discuss those changes openly and thereby learn lessons from the mistakes we made at earlier times.

Today’s Passion: The article entitled Basics of the New Buy-and-Hold provides a groundwork for the development of a new way of implementing this strategy.

Filed Under: Investing Strategy Tagged With: buy-and-hold, Investing Strategy, stock crash

I Believe In Buy-and-Hold,
I’m Just Not a Fanatic About It

June 17, 2008 by Rob

We all know what’s good about stocks. Stocks provide great long-term returns.

Is there anything bad about stocks?

There is. The bad thing about stocks is the price volatility. You never know where you stand. One day your net worth is $100,000. If the money is in stocks, the number a year from today might be $130,000 or $70,000. You just don’t know. That’s scary.

The thing that determines whether you will become a successful long-term investor or not is how you deal with the fear caused by price volatility. The most common way of dealing with it is through denial. No one literally denies that prices are volatile. But many block this reality out of their minds. They would as soon draw up a will as develop a strategy to deal with price volatility. They act as if they believe that dealing with the problem will cause bad things to happen to them.

There have been three times in the past when stock prices have been where they are today. The average price drop for those three occasions was 67 percent. What are you going to do if the value of your portfolio is cut by two-thirds? Do you have a plan?

Lots of people say “buy-and-hold is my plan.” I don’t think that works. It’s too pat. Your life is going to change in dramatic way if the value of your portfolio is cut by two-thirds; lose that high a percentage of your accumulated wealth of a lifetime and there are going to be fewer options left open to you in all areas of life endeavor. You really are just not going to let that affect you? Are you sure?

Remember, if things go this time as they have gone all the other times, most other middle-class investors will be abandoning stocks when prices drop. It’s easy to practice buy-and-hold when everyone is saying it’s a good idea. It’s not easy when everyone is saying that the best thing is to abandon stocks. That will be what most people will want to hear when most people are abandoning stocks, and most stock “experts” have made it a longstanding practice to tailor their advice to meet the current desires of most of their listeners.

I don’t think you are going to hold if prices drop by 67 percent or by anything close to it. I don’t say that because I think you are weak. I say that because I don’t think any reasonable person would hold onto an asset that had lost 67 percent of its value. People don’t do things like that, and for a perfectly good reason. Doing things like that is nuts. Who the heck can afford to lose 67 percent of his or her life savings? Who the heck can afford to take that sort of hit and not take some kind of action?

Buy-and-hold does not work. It is not realistic.

At least that’s so of the version of buy-and-hold that has been widely promoted for 25 years now

I propose a new approach to buy-and-hold, one with all of the advantages of the now popular approach but without the terrible failing that it cannot work in the real world.

The problem with the conventional approach to buy-and-hold is that it ignores the way the stock market performs. Stocks are not really one asset class. They are two, two, two asset classes in one.

When stock prices reach extreme highs, stocks are a dangerous asset class. There are always huge wipeouts of middle-class wealth when stock prices reach extreme highs. There are no exceptions in the historical record.

When stock prices are normal or low, there’s not much risk. Stock prices might go down a bit from moderate or low prices. But probably not too much. And, if they do go down a good bit, the price drop is not likely to remain in place for long. At least that’s always been the case in the past. Again, there are no exceptions in the historical record.

Here’s my plan for escaping the worst effects of stock-market volatility: Lower your stock allocation when prices reach extreme levels (like those that apply today). That way you are heavily in stocks most of the time and get to enjoy the wonderful long-term returns generally associated with stocks. But you miss out on those huge price drops characteristic only of stock markets for which prices have been permitted to get out of control.

Make sense?

It makes sense to me.

What doesn’t make sense to me is the negative reaction I sometimes hear to this idea. It is my view that that negative reaction is a signal of defensiveness. It is because investors trying to pull off the conventional approach to buy-and-hold don’t really deep in their hearts believe that it can work that it makes them anxious to hear about other strategies, strategies that could help them if they could chill out a bit and think things through without too much emotion getting in the way.

Do I believe in buy-and-hold? Sure. Stocks rarely get to the sorts of price levels that apply today. So it is going to be a rare event when you are going to need to lower your stock allocation to protect yourself from monster price drops. It makes all the sense in the world to hold your stocks through the moderate ups and downs that apply for investors who buy their stocks at reasonable price levels. When the monster price crashs become a live possibility (probability? certainty?), however, I think it makes all the sense in the world to take a little something off the table until our fellow investors come to their senses and pull stocks back to more reasonable price levels.

It’s just an idea, you know? I think it’s a good one. If you don’t, that’s of course fine. We can of course still be friends. I ask that you not get mad at me because I put the idea forward and that you give the idea some thought if your initial impression is that it might make sense.

Today’s Passion: The Investor’s Scenario Surfer lets you test how you would respond to various return patterns without requiring you to put actual money at stake.

Filed Under: From Buy/Hold to VII Tagged With: buy-and-hold, Investing Strategy, stock crash

“The Focus on Active/Passive Is a Distraction”

June 4, 2008 by Rob

There’s good stuff going on at the Vanguard Diehards board lately. Petrocelli offers us a dose of The Common Sense That May Not Be Spoken when he says: “My conclusion after all these years is this: the focus on active/passive is a distraction. The focus should be on buying low-cost funds and diversifying. That’s all. The active/passive distinction can make for some fine pissing contests, but it doesn’t really accomplish a lot in the end.”

That’s good stuff.

I see Passive Investing as the Devil With a Blue Dress On of InvestoWorld. I say “don’t even start up a conversation, you’ll end up in the gutter with a bottle in your hand.” But Passive Investing didn’t get to be so popular just by being evil. There’s got to be some serious good in there or there wouldn’t be so many smart people who have fallen for it. Petro is pointing us to two of the obvious good points when he notes that those who push Passive argue for diversification and for keeping costs down. The other obvious good is that those who push Passive push sticking with a plan for the long term. Those three goods are a very big three goods.

That’s the blue dress part. I believe that God put me on earth to warn you about the devil part. So we better get to that.

Petro is proposing a non-dogmatic approach to Passive Investing. That makes sense. Apply the principles of Passive Investing in a non-dogmatic way and you can enjoy the three goods without falling into the pit. Where I might take issue with Petro a bit is re his possibly too glib suggestion that there are a good number of investors who can pull this off in the real world.

Delete the dogmatic from Passive Investing and you’ve got the one you’ll be proud to bring home to meet your parents. But what are the odds of getting Ms. Passive to go along? Is the Petro vision a fantasy?

I think the Petro vision can be realized. But I think we need to think it through a bit to make it happen.

You can avoid becoming dogmatic about Passive Investing by knowing its limitations. I think that’s the key. In order to make Passive Investing work out in the real world, you need to go in with a peaceful easy feeling, with both feet planted firmly on the ground.

Passive is dangerous in its suggestion that it is okay or acceptable or (heaven help us all!) even a good thing to stick with the same stock allocation when prices go through wild swings. Petro doesn’t care about that rule. He’s a practical guy. He wants what works. So I don’t think he would be opposed to the idea of people hearing why it’s critical that they lower their stock allocations when prices get to the sorts of levels that apply today. So Petro’s vision can work.

People need to be told about the realities, though. We’re born with evil hearts. We all feel temptations to buy into Get Rich Quick schemes. We all possess a desire to hurt ourselves, and unless we are warned about it in no uncertain terms, we will bite into the apple. We need all this stuff spelled out.

We need articles warning us of the dangers of failing to make adjustments in our stock allocations when price changes require it. We need calculators using the historical data to prove the point. All that good stuff. With all that good stuff, I think we can make some changes in the conventional approach to Passive to make it a workable investing strategy.

A generally Passive approach can work. A reformed Passive approach can work. A non-dogmatic Passive approach can work. A valuation-informed Passive approach can work.

A fellow named “Heaths” zeroes in on the good side of Passive a few posts later when he asks: “it seems that you agree that the degree of active is important and more than a distraction. Is that right?” Yes, that’s right. Investors should aim to limit the number of allocation changes they make. And beginning investors should limit the extent to which they engage in stock picking. Those Passive rules are good rules. it is the dogmatic jive talk of The True Believers that causes all the trouble.

Heaths focuses in on an extremely important point a bit later on. He says: “Most investors do not have the skill and/or temperament to actively invest, except perhaps in very modest ways. Because of this most should follow the basic tenets of passive investing: low cost, diversification, and stay-the-course. Some modest active investing might be desirable provided the investor fully understands all of the pros and cons of his investment decisions, but when in doubt most should err toward the passive.”

That’s stated reasonably. It’s not the crazy dogmatism that has made such a mess of so many of our boards over the past six years.

I don’t entirely agree with Heaths, however. I agree that there are important goods in the Passive model and that all investors should be taught about them. I don’t agree that we are not capable of knowing when we need to make changes in our stock allocations, however. All of us have experience paying attention to price when we buy cars and houses and bananas. I am highly skeptical of the claim that we are not capable of doing the same when buying stocks.

It’s true, though, that most of us do not possess this ability today. Heaths nails the current state of play.

You know why? It’s because nobody talks about these realities! When was the last time you heard Bogle give a speech telling us how to know when prices have reached a point where we need to lower our stock allocations? Or Bernstein? Or Burns? Or whoever?

When the Big Shots get down to the business of telling us what we need to know, we will listen. And we will learn. It’s not that we can’t do it right. It’s that the “experts” are so afraid of talking straight about this stuff that they never give us a chance to take the good stuff in.

I know whereof I speak. I have been talking about the effects of valuations on long-term returns on a daily basis for over six years now. Thousands of community members have either expressed gratitude or expressed a desire to learn more. These are ordinary people. These are Normals. These are “most investors.”

We are perfectly capable of learning. What we need today are some “experts” possessing the courage to get about the business of doing some honest and informed and non-dogmatic teaching.

Good job, Petro! Good job, Heaths! Let’s see more of the same!

Today’s Passion: The non-dogmatic Passive Investor is free to do all sorts of things that the dogmatic type dare not even think about. He can pick stocks! No, really. Read all about it in the article entitled Stock Picking for Indexers. Please don’t let any friends of Mel Lindauer know that I wrote that one. I’m in enough trouble as it is.

Filed Under: investing theory Tagged With: Investing Strategy, Passive Investing, Vanguard Diehards

Stocks Are Not as Risky As You Think

September 1, 2006 by Rob

You often hear stocks described as a risky asset class. What people are getting at when they say that is that stock prices at some times go dramatically up and at other times go dramatically down. Most observations that stocks are risky are more properly viewed as observations that stock prices are volatile.

It’s not the same thing.

The risk that you are worried about as a middle-class investor seeking financial freedom early in life is that investing in stocks will cause you to lose money and thereby not make the progress on attaining your financial freedom goals that you were hoping to make. If you can invest in stocks in a way that provides a good deal of protection against the possibility that you will lose money, you have transformed the stock investment class from a risky one to a non-risky one.

You can do this.

Please take a quick look at The Return Predictor (click the button with that title on the left side of this page). The Predictor tells us that the most likely 10-year annualized real return for a stock purchase made today is 1.3 percent. That number suggests that there is a good deal of risk attached to buying stocks at today’s prices.

Stocks are not going to provide an even 1.3 percent return for 10 years in a row. There will be some years in which the return will be a good deal better than that. That obviously means that there will also be years in which the return will be a good deal worse than that. There could be some awful years in a 10-year patch of returns generating an overall return of only 1.3 percent (and it is possible that the 10-year return could drop as low as a negative 4.7 percent).

So stocks today are risky, no?

No.

Look at the Predictor’s number for the most likely 30-year return — 5.4 percent. That’s not bad at all. That’s more than double what you can get today from Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS).

So stocks are not risky today then, right?

Not right.

Stocks are both risky and non-risky today. The level of risk depends on the mix of purposes to which you will be putting the money you are investing in stocks.

If the only possible purpose to which you will put the money is to finance your old-age retirement, and you are today decades away from retirement, it’s the 30-year number that matters. For you, stocks are not too risky today, despite their high valuations.

The flaw in most of the conventional investing advice is the assumption that most middle-class workers invest only to finance their old-age retirements. We all do indeed invest for that purpose. For most of us, though, the money in our portfolios serves multiple purposes. Perhaps we want to have money available to help our daughter get through college. Perhaps we want to have money available to start a business if our job turns sour. Perhaps we like the idea of having a healthy amount of savings because of the feeling of financial security it provides.

If those sorts of purposes apply for you, then looking just at the 30-year return number does not do the job for you. You should look at the 30-year number because you are investing partly to finance your retirement and the 30-year number tells you something important about how stocks can help you to attain your retirement financing goals. But you need to look at the 10-year number and the 20-year number too, if you are investing partly to advance non-retirement purposes.

For most of us, it is not too risky to direct a small percentage of our portfolio to stocks today because it would not cause us panic to see a large percentage loss in an investment class that comprises only a small percentage of our portfolio. For most of us, it is too risky to direct a large percentage of our portfolio to stocks today because it would cause us panic to see a large percentage loss in an investment class that comprises a large percentage of our portfolio.

Stocks are risky and non-risky at the same time. They are non-risky when held in small amounts, and the risk grows as you allocate more of your portfolio to stocks. It is your personal financial circumstances and life goals that determine how much of your portfolio you can direct to stocks before they become too risky.

You are in control. That’s why I say that stocks are less risky than you think. It’s not really a risk if you control it. Just lower your stock allocation to the point at which stocks are no longer risky for you and the risk attached to stock ownership for you has gone “poof!”

Stocks are a high-risk investment class for others. Stocks do not need to be a high-risk investment class for you. You are in control. Say “no” to high-risk stocks. Don’t buy stocks to the point at which you transform what should be a low-risk or moderate-risk asset class into a high-risk one.

Filed Under: investing theory Tagged With: Investing Strategy

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  • Scenario Surfer (3)
  • Scott Burns & VII (8)
  • Silencing of Wade Pfau (97)
  • Strategy Tester (5)
  • SWRs (89)
  • Todd Tresidder & VII (3)
  • Uncategorized (24)
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Rob on the Internet

  • Rob's Weekly Valuation-Informed Indexing Column at the Value Walk Site.

  • Rob's Weekly Beyond Buy-and-Hold Column at the Out of Your Rut Site

  • Rob's Articles at the Financial Highway Site

  • Rob's Articles at the Balance Junkie Site

  • Rob's Daily Caller Articles: (1) Can We Handle the Truth About Stock Investing?; (2) How We Invest Is a Political Question; (3) The Economic Crisis Is Trying to Tell Us Something (and We're Not Listening); (4) Facts Don't Matter; (5) Going Google Stupid; (6) How Much Transparency Can We Handle?; (7) Confessions of an Internet Troll; (8) Conservatives Fall Into a Trap by Blaming Obama for the Bad Economy; (9) Meet the New Media, Same as the Old Media; and (10) How Restoring Honor Will End the Economic Crisis

  • Humble Money Experts Are the Best Money Experts, (Rob's Article in the Integrative Advisor, the Journal of the Association for Integrative Financial and Life Planning)

  • Articles on the Return Predictor, the RIsk Evaluator, the Scenario Surfer and the Strategy Tester

  • The Myth of Buy-and-Hold and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Good Side of Stocks' Lost Decade and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • A Better and Safer Way to Invest in Stocks and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Economic Crisis Is the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Us and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Bankers Did Not Do This to Us! and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • Stock Volatility Kills! and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Risks of Buy-and-Hold and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • The Future of Investing and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • What the Stock Investing Experts Don't Want You to Know and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • What's the Best Age at Which to Experience a Stock Crash? and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

  • Guest Blog Entry Compares Our Effort to Open the Internet to Honest Posting on Stock Investing with the Civil Rights Struggle of the Early 1960s

  • Our Monster Thread (153 Comments!) on Whether Bill Bengen Should Correct His Retirement Study Now That He Acknowledges the Errors He Made In It

  • Google Search Results for the Term "Valuation-Informed Indexing"
  • Favorite RobCasts

    • Bogle and Valuations

    • When Stock Losses Are True Losses and When They Are Not

    • There Is No Free Lunch! Or Is There?

    • Risk Tolerance in the Real World

    • Cash Is a Strategic Asset Class

    • Nine Valuation-Informed-Indexing Portfolio Allocation Strategies

    • Why the Stock Market Does Not Set Prices Properly (Even Though Other Markets Do)

    • Only Valuations Matter -- Everything Else Is Priced In

    • Low Stock Prices Are Better Than High Stock Prices

    • 30 Investment Myths in 60 Minutes

    Links That Matter

    • Ten Bogus Investing Truths

    • Study by Associate Professor Wade Pfau Showing That Long-Term Timing Provides Higher Returns at Reduced Risk

    • Study by Associate Professor Wade Pfau Showing That Valuation-Informed Indexing Beat Buy-and-Hold in 102 of 110 Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods in the Historical Record

    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That the Idea That Long-Term Market Timing Does Not Work Is a "Myth" of Stock Investing "That Will Not Die" Because "This Hoary Old Chestnut Keeps Clients Fully Invested" Even When It Is Contrary to Their Best Interests

    • Wall Street Journal Article Pointing Out That" "This Ratio (P/E10) Has Been a Powerful Predictor of Long-Term Returns" and That "Valuation Is By Far the Most Important Issue for Investors"

    • The Internet Blowhard's Favorite Phrase: Why Do People Love to Say That Correlation Does Not Imply Causation?

    • Michael Kitces (One of the Bravest of the Good Guys in This Field) Asks: "Who's Really at Risk When Avoiding Overvalued Stocks?"

    • Financial Mentor Article Reporting on How Our Knowledge of How to Calculate Safe Withdrawal Rates Has Grown During the First Nine Years of The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate

    • Does the Trend Matter?

    • Improving RIsk-Adjusted Returns Using Market-Valuation-Based Tactical Asset Allocation Strategies

    • A Value Restoration Project Blog Post That Sums Up in Three Paragraphs All You Need to Know to Become a Highly Effective Investor

    • Year 20 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

    • Year 10 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. P/E10

    • Valuation-Informed Indexing Always Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over 10-Year Periods

    • The Valuation-Informed Indexing Advantage

    • What P/E10 Predicted vs. What Actually Happened

    • Normal and Valuation-Adjusted Wealth Accumulation

    • Valuation-Informed Indexers Can Retire Five Years Sooner

    • Following Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Reduces Stock Investing Risk by 80 Percent

    • S&P 500 Tracked by P/E10 Level

    • Treasury Inflation-Protected Income Securities (TIPS) Table

    • Best, Average and Worst Returns Since 1871

    • Compound Annual Growth Rate Calculator

    • Investing Through Time

    • Mapping S&P 500 Performance

    • S&P 500 at Your Fingertips

    • S&P 500 Return Calculator

    • Russell's Research

    • Shiller's Data

    • Safe Withdrawal Rate Research Group

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