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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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Financial Mentor Site: “The 4% Rule Could Cause You to Leave a Fortune on the Table or Run Out of Money Long Before You Die”

October 24, 2011 by Rob

Todd Tresidder has written a super article about the evolution of our understanding of how safe withdrawal rates work at his Financial Mentor site. It is called Are Safe Withdrawal Rates Really Safe?

Juicy Excerpt #1: It is known as the “4% Rule”, and it is widely considered to be “the truth” in safe withdrawal rates for retirement. The problem is it’s not the truth and every day people risk a lifetime of retirement savings on it.

Juicy Excerpt #2: It is the single most important question I get from retirees and near retirees. The reason is because safe withdrawal rates impact every aspect of retirement planning — from the lifestyle you can afford to the amount of savings needed to fund it. Small errors in safe withdrawal rates multiply over many years causing huge financial impacts.

Juicy Excerpt #3: The key point defining all 2nd Generation research is that each study applies the same basic premises thus producing extraordinarily consistent results. This consistency caused the 4% Rule to become conventional wisdom and be mistaken as “truth” when it is really just a product of the research premises.

Juicy Excerpt #4: To understand the problems with 2nd Generation research we need look no further than the amazing breadth of dubious assumptions behind the results.

Juicy Excerpt #5: Rob Bennett was an early pioneer in 3rd Generation modeling by advocating (through various online forums) that withdrawal rates must be adjusted for market valuations consistent with research by Cambell and Shiller (1998). Also, Wade Pfau (2010-2011) broke new ground by applying safe withdrawal rates to international market data with shocking results. He also applied valuation, interest rate, and inflation metrics in regression analysis to form a dynamic and robust safe withdrawal rate model. The key point illustrated by 3rd Generation research is that a deeper level of complexity underlies the sacred cow “truth” known as the 4% rule. It was the best answer for its day, but those days are gone. It is a second generation model whose shortcomings have been proven well enough that it must be retired.

Juicy Excerpt #6: This problem is why 2nd Generation models chose to define the highest withdrawal rate that could survive all historical data periods. The assumption was the best and worst performing periods could not be determined in advance so the only safe choice was the lowest common denominator that survived all time periods. Fortunately, that assumption is false. Future investment returns are not “luck” or random as many would guess. As it turns out, market valuations at the time you begin your investment holding period are inversely correlated to the return you can expect over the following 10-15 years.

Juicy Excerpt #7: The reason I focused on the 2nd Generation model is because it has been elevated to the status of “truth” in the financial planning industry. The 4% Rule is quoted regularly in the financial media and used as a benchmark by which all other retirement planning models are compared. The problem is it’s not really safe. The 4% rule could cause you to leave a fortune on the table or run out of money long before you die. The 4% rule is a static conclusion in a world that is dynamically evolving. In summary, there are specific assumptions built into the research supporting the 4% model that must be seriously questioned.

Filed Under: SWRs Tagged With: financial mentor, retirement planning, Rob Bennett, SWRs, Todd Tresidder

ITNR #50 — Game Changers: Part Two

May 11, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted Column Entry #50 to my weekly Investing: The New Rules column at the Death by 1,000 Papercuts site. It’s called Game Changers: Part Two.

Juicy Excerpt: Stock returns are slightly predictable at five years out but the correlation between valuations and returns is not statistically significant at this point. At 10 years out, statistically significant return predictions are possible but the range of possible returns is large; that is, the precision of the predictions that can be made is not great. Greater precision is possible at 15 years out and the valuation level that applies on the day of an index fund purchase tells us 78 percent of what we need to know to know the return that applies at 20 years.

Filed Under: Investing: The New Rules Tagged With: investing insights, Rob Bennett, Robert Shiller

New Wade Pfau Study Shatters Market Timing Myths, Shows That Long-Term Timing ALWAYS Provides Higher Returns at Reduced Risk

April 29, 2011 by Rob

Wafe Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, has published new research showing that, contrary to the incessant marketing campaigns of The Stock-Selling Industry, market timing always works. That is, those who change their stock allocations in response to big price shifts with the aim of keeping their risk profiles roughly constant obtain far higher returns while taking on greatly reduced risks than do those following widely promoted Buy-and-Hold strategies.

Pfau states: “On a risk- adjusted basis, market-timing strategies provide comparable returns as a 100 percent stocks buy- and-hold strategy but with substantially less risk. Meanwhile, market timing provides comparable risks and the same average asset allocation as a 50/50 fixed allocation strategy, but with much higher returns.”

Pfau kindly credits my nine years of work in this field (during which I have argued forcefully that honest posting on safe withdrawal rates and other critically important investment-related topics should be permitted at every investing board and blog on the internet), saying “I am also extremely grateful to Rob Bennett for motivating this topic and contributing his experience and encouragement.”

In a show of his generosity of spirit, he also pays tribute to the leaders of the Bogleheads Forum, who have banned honest discussion of safe withdrawal rates and other important investment-related topics at their site, saying: “Because market-timing strategies are specifically not part of John Bogle’s investment philosophy, the author wishes to thank without implicating users including Adrian Nenu, afan, alec, Alex Frakt, bob90245, cjking, crl848, dmcmahon, DP, grayfox, Les, lostcowboy, market timer, matt, Mel Lindauer, Norbert Schlenker, peter71, pkcrafter, Rodc, SP-diceman, tadamsmar, wearethefall, and yobria.” That sort of comment heals wounds and heaven knows we need wound-healing in the Retire Early and Indexing discussion-board communities today.

The only part that I take issue with is the suggestion (Wade does soften the claim with use of the word “specifically”) that Vanguard Founder John Bogle does not see the merit in long-term market timing. Bogle talks out of both sides of his mouth on this question in nearly every speech he gives. However, the reality remains that Bogle has many times made the case for long-term market timing in clear and compelling terms. I learned about the need to engage in long-term market timing from Bogle’s book and Bogle has said in an interview that he believes Valuation-Informed Indexing can be a good strategy (he did not quite endorse it). It is true, of course, that Bogle often fails to distinguish between short-term market timing (which never works) and long-term market timing (which always works), presumably largely because of the marketing benefits that follow from encouraging investors in their Get Rich Quick fantasies (in fairness to Bogle, I believe that there is a good bit of cognitive dissonance at work here as well).

Pfau explained his purpose in conducting the study in posts he put to the Bogleheads Forum. Stock-selling experts have been telling us for decades that “timing doesn’t work.” And, indeed, many studies have been produced showing that short-term timing (changing your stock allocation because of some expectation of how prices will move in the next year or two) does not work. But how about long-term timing (changing your stock allocation in response to big price shifts with an understanding that doing so may not pay off for as long as 10 years)? Amazingly, Pfau was able to find only one serious study looking at this critically important question. Much of Pfau’s study is aimed at pointing out the flaws in the FIsher and Statman study, which evidenced doubts on the part of the authors about the merits of long-term timing.

It is of course a logical impossibility that long-term timing would not work, given Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller’s research showing that valuations affect long-term returns. If valuations affect long-term returns, returns should be higher and risks should be reduced at times of low valuations. How could going with a higher stock allocation at times when returns are high and risks are low than one goes with at times when returns are low and risks are high not produce good long-term results? In a rational world, the question Pfau focuses on in his new study would have been analyzed in great depth by many researchers many years ago.

The only explanation for why it has not been is that InvestoWorld is today not generally a rational world. Modern Portfolio Theory (which posits that investors are paid higher returns for taking on more risk, the opposite of what logic says must often be the case if valuations affect long-term returns) has influenced our thinking to such an extent that we do not even know to research the most important questions facing us. As World-Renowned Portfolio Strategist Bob Dylan pointed out in his Idiot Wind Theory (a popular counter to the excessively rationalistic Modern Portfolio Theory), “we’re idiots, babe, it’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”

This does indeed appear to be the case. At least that’s what the 140 years of historical data available today for our inspection reveal to the researcher willing to listen to its Forbidden Message.

Pfau charts the nominal wealth accumulation of $1 invested at the start of 1871. The Buy-and-Hold strategy examined is a 100 percent S&P 500 portfolio. The baseline market timing strategy chooses either 100 percent stocks or 100 percent Treasury bills at the start of each year, depending on whether the value of P/E10 is below or above it’s historical average at that time.

The Buy-and-Hold portfolio was worth $95,404 at the end of 139 years. The Valuation-Informed Indexing portfolio was worth $124,147.

Pfau writes: “For every risk measure considered, the market-timing strategies result in less risk and higher risk-adjusted returns than the 100 percent stocks Buy-and-Hold strategy. The highest standard deviation for portfolio returns from market timing is 13.93 percent, compared to 18.02 percent for buy-and-hold. The Sharpe ratios are also larger using two different definitions, showing that market timing provides higher returns on a risk-adjusted basis…. The maximum drawdown, which is the maximum percentage drop in wealth between high points and any subsequent low points in the historical period, is also significantly less for market timing. The maximum drawdown was only 24.16 percent, compared to 60.96 percent for buy-and-hold.”

Noting that the Valuation-Informed Indexing portfolio is able to generate the same returns as the Buy-and-Hold portfolio while being out of stocks half of the time and thus putting itself at what should be a huge disadvantage according to Modern Portfolio Theory, Pfau also compares the Valuation-Informed Indexing portfolio, which has an average stock allocation of 50 percent, with a 50 percent Buy-and-Hold portfolio. In this case, the risks of the two portfolios are roughly equal but the returns for the Valuation-Informed Indexing portfolio are dramatically superior. The Buy-and-Hold portfolio has an end-point (2010)  value of $13,426. The Valuation-Informed Indexing portfolio has an end-point value of $94,866.

The study concludes: “Valuation-based market timing with PE10 has the potential to improve risk-adjusted returns for conservative long-term investors.”

Truly amazing stuff!

We’re idiots, babe. But I think it would be fair to say that those who read this study and spend some time thinking through the implications that follow from it are perhaps a bit less idiots than they were on the day before they took that promising step into the light. Thank you, Wade Pfau!

Please find some room for reporting on this fellow’s work on your front page, New York Times editors! By the close of business today if at all possible!

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: Bogleheads Forum, investment research, market timing, Rob Bennett, Wade Pfau

Associate Professor Wade Pfau Has Contacted Trinity Study Authors re Analytical Errors in Their Safe Withdrawal Rate Study

April 28, 2011 by Rob

Wafe Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, has sent an e-mail to the authors of the famous (infamous?) Trinity study of safe withdrawal rates for retirees asking the authors whether it was their intent when preparing the study to identify the safe withdrawal rate for retirees. Here are his words:

“Okay, I took care of it. I was a little timid about contacting them, as I was publicly critical of their study in the past. But first I apologized to them for that. Then I explained my concerns about 4% for retirees since the mid-1990s. Valuations was a part of my list. I’ve even invited Prof. Walz to give a seminar at my university, as he is in Hong Kong during the spring term. This matter is settled.”

There’s been a debate raging on the internet re this question for nine years now. The debate is referred to as “The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Debate.”

Numerous discussion boards and blogs have banned honest posting on the safe withdrawal rate matter after seeing the rage (which has at times evidenced itself in death threats, defamation and long-ongoing internet harassment campaigns) evidenced by those who believe in the Buy-and-Hold investing strategy when accurate reports of the safe withdrawal rate are posted. Buy-and-Holders view accurate reporting of the safe withdrawal rate as a threat to the dominant model for understanding how stock investing works.

The reason why the Old School safe withdrawal rate studies do not include an adjustment for valuations is that they are rooted in a belief in the Efficient Market Theory (developed by University of Chicago Economics Professor Eugene Fama), an academic construct that posits that the community of investors always considers all factors bearing on stock prices when setting stock prices and that overvaluation and undervaluation are thus logical impossibilities. Yale University Economics Professor Robert Shiller discredited the Efficient Market Theory (and the Buy-and-Hold strategy rooted in a belief in its principles) with research done in 1981 (and replicated many times in the three decades since) showing that valuations affect long-term returns. If valuations affect long-term returns, both overvaluation and undervaluation are obviously real phenomena.

Pfau has expressed numerous concerns about the Trinity study but does not share my view that the study needs to be corrected.

My view is that the study needs to be corrected because the safe withdrawal rate is the product of a mathematical calculation and it looks very bad when investors hear two wildly different reports as to the results of that mathematical calculation. Common sense tells us that something fishy is going on when different people make such wildly different claims for the result of the same mathematical calculation.

Thus, the friction generated by this “controversy” (there of course is no genuine controversy over what the numbers say — the historical stock-return data is public information and anyone who has ever gone to the trouble to check the data has found that Shiller is right that valuations affect long-term returns, at least in the 140 years of historical data available to us today) cannot go away without a resolution of the question of whether valuations really do affect long-term returns or not. I think it would be wonderful if as a society we could explore all of the amazing breakthrough insights that follow from Shiller’s research (I write weekly about these insights in my “Valuation-Informed Indexing” column at the www.ValueWalk.com site) and that only becomes possible when we open investing boards and blogs to honest posting on safe withdrawal rates and other critically important investment-related topics.

Pfau’s view is that it is possible that the Trinity authors did not intend to identify the safe withdrawal rate. He points out that the study uses the phrase “sustainable withdrawal rate” rather than “safe withdrawal rate.” I do not see the significance of this point given that the two phrases signify the same thing. A sustainable withdrawal rate is a safe withdrawal rate and a safe withdrawal rate is a sustainable withdrawal rate. I presume that “safe withdrawal rate” became the popular term because it is shorter.

Pfau also notes that the Trinity authors properly identify the withdrawal rate that has always survived historically. The problem with this argument is that the thousands of us who have expressed a desire that honest posting be permitted have been saying since May 2002 that the entire “controversy” could be put to rest in seconds if the Buy-and-Holders would be willing to refer to the number generated by the Trinity study (4 percent) as the Historical Surviving Withdrawal Rate (HSWR) rather than the Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR). The Buy-and-Holders have been unwilling to consider this idea. If it were to become widely known that the Trinity study and the other Old School SWR studies report the HSWR rather than the SWR, the millions of investors who need to know the SWR to plan their retirements would lose interest in those studies. The SWR has great value as a planning tool. The HSWR does not.

John Greaney, the author of the Old School SWR study that appears at the www.RetireEarlyHomePage.com web site, has started a thread at the Motley Fool Retire Early board (honest posting on the subject of early retirement is no longer permitted at the board) suggesting that Pfau may be denied tenure because he has crossed Greaney by asking the authors of the Trinity study a question about their intent in preparing the study. The intimidation tactic is typical of Greaney’s behavior going back to the morning of May 13, 2002, when I put a post to that same board (at a time when honest posting on early retirement was not only permitted but encouraged) pointing out the analytical errors in the Old School studies.

The encouraging news is that, while in the old days, there would within a few hours have been scores of posts put forward by Buy-and-Holders endorsing Greaney’s intimidation tactics, in this case Greaney’s post has gone unanswered. This is how change happens. There’s a famous post by Ghandi in which he observes something to the effect (I am paraphrasing) that “first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, then they say that everyone knew you were right all along.”

I think it would be fair to say that Pfau’s suggestion that perhaps the Trinity authors had never intended to identify the safe withdrawal rate brings us to the “then they say that everyone knew that you were right all along” stage of this particular “battle.” Let’s all pray that the Trinity authors are able to work up the grace and courage to say something in response that pushes the ball even a little bit farther ahead.

Heaven help us all!

Filed Under: Silencing of Wade Pfau Tagged With: internet harassment, John Greaney, Rob Bennett, SWRs, Trinity study, Wade Pfau

The Economic Crisis Is the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Us, and Seven Other Guest Blog Entries

February 20, 2011 by Rob

Set forth below are links to eight Guest Blog Entries on the Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy and on the Passion Saving money management approach:

1) The Economic Crisis Is the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Us, at the Hope to Prosper site;

2) The Truth About the Shiller P/E, at the Bad Money Advice site (this article is about Valuation-Informed Indexing but was not written by me);

3) Valuation-Informed Indexing/Emotional Market Theory, at the Value Investing Congress Group at www.LinkedIn.com (this is a discussion thread);

4) Is Efficient Market a Theory, Hypothesis, Fact, Law or Notion?, at the Early Retirement Extreme Forum (this is a discussion thread);

5) Interview with Rob Bennett, at the Financial Odyssey site;

6) Why Are There No Ads Urging Us to Save?, at the Get Rich Slowly site;

7) Stock Crashes and Recessions Often Hurt Young Investors Most, at the Own the Dollar site; and

8 ) All Stock Price Drops Help You, All Stock Price Gains Hurt You, at the Online Investor AI site.

Filed Under: Guest Blog Entries Tagged With: guest blogs, Passion Saving, Rob Bennett, Value Indexing

About

February 4, 2011 by Rob

My name is Rob Bennett. My bio is here. You can also get a good idea about my background by reading the 80-plus quotes about me and my work that appear at the “People Are Talking” section of the home page of my blog (please look to the left-hand side of the page).

The story is that the true cause of the economic crisis was the reckless promotion of Buy-and-Hold Investing for 30 years after the academic research showed that there is zero chance that it can ever work in the long term. I wrote a Google Knol titled Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work and another titled The Bull Market Caused the Economic Crisis. I also wrote an article titled The True Cause of the Current Financial Crisis Is Buy-and-Hold Investing.

The short form of the story is that the stock market was overvalued by $12 trillion in 2000. This is public information. All in the field acknowledge that stock prices over time revert to the mean (John Bogle calls this an “Iron Law” of stock investing). So those who were paying attention to valuations knew in 2000 that within 10 years or so close to $12 trillion of spending power would disappear from our consumer economy. An economic crisis became inevitable once we permitted stock prices to rise so high. We should tell people to lower their stock allocations when prices rise to insanely high levels both to protect their own retirements and to protect the general economy from collapse. We should encourage Valuation-Informed Indexing, described in a Guest Blog Entry I wrote for the Free From Broke site titled A Better and Less Risky Way to Invest in Stocks.

The real puzzle here is why there are not lots of good and smart people speaking up in strong opposition to Buy-and-Hold, given its dangers. The answer to that one is revealed in an article at my site in which I quote from 101 of my fellow community members who expressed a desire that honest posting on important investing-related topics be permitted at investing boards and blogs. Discussion of Valuation-Informed Indexing, the alternative to Buy-and-Hold, has been banned at every major board and at a good number of the most influential personal finance blogs. The bans came about as the result of brutally abusive smear campaigns (including death threats) led by people who have published studies or calculators rooted in the Buy-and-Hold Model. Most of the people who are aware of the dangers of Buy-and-Hold are afraid to speak up and self-censor themselves when talking about investing in public places. Thus, those who otherwise might be skeptical have wrongly come to conclude that there is no serious opposition to the concept.

Dallas Morning News Columnist Scott Burns spilled the beans in a June 2005 column he wrote about my showing that the numbers used by most financial planners to help us plan our retirements are wildly wrong. Burns observed that the reason why we see few media reports about the errors in the retirement studies even though they will cause millions of middle-class people to suffer failed retirements in days to come if they are not corrected is that: “It is information most people don’t want to hear.” The “experts” (who see themselves as being in the business of selling stocks, not of giving independent and accurate investing advice) encourage us to follow dangerous strategies, and, once we do so, we become so emotionally invested in the strategies that we become hostile to hearing the realities.

Many big names have seen the merit of the new investing ideas. Carl Richards, owner of Clearwater Asset Management and author of the Behavior Gap blog, told me: “I have read everything I can about Valuation-Informed Indexing, and I agree with you that Buy-and-Hold Passive Investing is extremely problematic… I value and respect the passion, hard work and research that you have put into this very important issue…. I think what you are doing has huge value.” Rahiv Sethie, a professor of economics at Barnard College, Columbia University said of me: “Rob Bennett makes the claim that market timing based on aggregate P/E ratios can be a far more effective strategy than Passive Investing over long horizons (ten years or more). I am not in a position to evaluate this empirically but it is consistent with Shiller’s analysis and I can see how it could be true.” Wade Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, researched the question and learned that “Valuation-Informed Indexing provides more wealth for 102 of the 110 30-year periods” in the historical record. Bill Schultheis, author of The New Coffeehouse Portfolio exclaimed upon discovery of my web site: “Holy Toledo! This is great stuff!”

A calculator at my site called The Stock-Return Predictor will let you see with numbers why Buy-and-Hold is so dangerous. The calculator runs a regression analysis of the historical stock-return data to show the most likely 10-year annualized return starting from any of the various possible starting-point valuation levels. In 1982, the most likely 10-year annualized return was 15 percent real. In 2000, it was a negative 1 percent real. Given that the value proposition of stocks changes dramatically with big price changes, there is obviously no one stock allocation that can work for any investor at all times. Investors need tools like this to learn when they need to change their allocations.

I don’t think it should be too hard to understand why The Stock-Selling Industry desperately wants to keep tools like this out of the hands of middle-class investors. All industries would like their customers to believe that their product is worth buying at any possible price. But when too many become convinced that Buy-and-Hold can work, the insane level of overvaluation that follows causes an economic crisis (this has happened four times in U.S. history now — we have not since 1900 had an economic crisis that was not preceded by a time of insane stock overvaluation and we have not had a time of insane overvaluation that did not produce an economic crisis). There comes a point when marketing considerations need to take a back seat to preservation of our free market economic system, which cannot survive if all middle-class investors see their retirement savings wiped out (the historical data shows that we are likely to see another 65 percent price drop from where we stand today in the event that stocks continue to perform in the future anything at all as they always have in the past).

You also might want to check out a recent Wall Street Journal column in which Brett Arends says: “For years, the investment industry has tried to scare clients into staying fully invested in the stock market at all times, no matter how high stocks go…. It’s hooey…. They’re leaving out more than half the story.”

The tool that is used by those informed about valuations to predict long-term returns (short-term returns cannot be predicted — it is true that short-term timing does not work) is “P/E10”. The P/E10 value is the price of the S&P index over the average of the last 10 years of earnings. Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller (author of Irrational Exuberance) has been showing with research for 30 years now that P/E10 can be used to effectively predict long-term returns. Arends pointed out in an earlier article that: “This ratio [P/E10] has been a powerful predictor of long-term returns” and that “valuations is by far the most important issue for investors.”

A graphic that compares the Year 20 Annualized, Real, Total Return v. the P/E10 that applied on the day the index fund was purchased is here. The same graphic for 10 years out is here. A graphic comparing how investors following a Buy-and-Hold strategy would have fared over the entire historical record compared with those following a Valuation-Informed Indexing strategy is here. Norbert Schenkler, the financial planner who prepared the graphic, concluded that: “The evidence is pretty incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing…is everywhere superior to Buy-and-Hold over 10-year periods.” The one exception found by Schenkler, the late 1990s, no longer applies since the onset of the stock crash (the graphic was prepared prior to the crash).

Shiller used the P/E10 tool to warn us of the economic crisis that began in 2008 in his book (published in March 2000). He said that in the event that stocks performed from 2000 forward as they always have in the past: “The real losses could be comparable to the total destruction of all the schools in the country, or all the farms in the country, or possibly even all the homes in the country.”

I’ve collected a number of quotes from leading experts in the field who have expressed grave doubts about Buy-and-Hold here. I’ve collected 20 studies showing that valuations affect long-term returns and that thus Buy-and-Hold can never work in the long term here. If you prefer taking in information by listening rather than by reading, I have recorded 200 podcasts addressing various aspects of the question. They are available for downloading here. I post updates on developments relating to this story daily at my twitter feed here.

Please contact me with questions or thoughts about how best to get the word out to millions of our fellow middle-class investors by sending me an e-mail at hocusreports@verizon.net or by giving me a call at 540-751-0685. I look forward to hearing from you, my new friend!

Filed Under: Investing Basics Tagged With: Rob Bennett

A Better and Less Risky Way to Invest in Stocks

January 28, 2011 by Rob

I’ve posted a Guest Blog Entry at the Free From Broke blog. It’s called A Better and Less Risky Way to Invest in Stocks.

Juicy Excerpt: Let’s return for a moment to our discussion of cars and cameras and computers and comic books.  If you were in the car business and you had somehow persuaded millions of your customers that cars were worth buying at any price imaginable, would you want the word to get out that this was nonsense?

You wouldn’t.  You would want to keep the realities hushed up.  The academic research has been showing for 30 years now that valuations affect long-term returns.  The Stock-Selling Industry has continued spending hundreds of millions promoting Buy-and-Hold.  It’s a good deal for them.  Just not for you!

Juicy Question/Comment #1: I have seen your stuff for years and you have even guest posted on my blog years ago, but I don’t get why the passion. You think you have the answer (and I am not even disagreeing with you), why fight everyone? Why not just keep the idea quiet and make your millions off investing?

Juicy Question/Comment #2: I’m hearing you on a lot of fronts Rob (and I’ve seen where commenters will follow your work online just to dispute it), but is Buy and Hold really the cause of the economic crisis?

Juicy Question/Comment #3: Wow, Rob … that is definitely an intriguing post. You have really strong opinions on the matter for sure! I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone post several comments on a blog that are actually longer than their original article!

Juicy Question/Comment #4: I met Tom Gardner of the Motley Fool not long ago and he says getting around your emotions is one of the big obstacles in investing (or at least he said something similar to that). He also mentioned that one of the things that makes Buffett great (and Buffett says this too) is being able to control his emotions.

Filed Under: Guest Blog Entries Tagged With: Free from Broke, new investing ideas, Rob Bennett, Value Indexing

My Second E-Mail to John Bogle: “I Haven’t Been Banned at Any New Boards or Blogs for Six Months!”

January 26, 2011 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of an -mail (with the subject heading “More Defamation/Intimidation/Deception at Bogleheads Forum)  that I sent to Vanguard Founder John Bogle a few moments ago:

John:

This is Rob Bennett, the fellow who has been pushing that crazy, newfangled approach to indexing (Valuation-Informed Indexing) that has caused our mutual friend Mel Lindauer and a few others to go off their rockers in recent years.  I wrote you on July 9, 2009, asking for your help with the problem of abusive posting employed at the Bogleheads Forum to discourage community members there from making an effective case pointing out the dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing (and to get those who don’t pay heed to the warnings removed!). I believe that the time has come for a follow-up report.

The problem has gotten both a bit better and bit worse in the time since. It has gotten better because the stock crash and the economic crisis have helped many middle-class investors appreciate the dangers of Buy-and-Hold (if you do not today possess a good understanding of why Buy-and-Hold is the purest and most dangerous Get Rich Quick approach ever, I invite you to read the material at the links set forth in the blog entry referred to below or to send me a return e-mail asking any questions you are struggling with re this matter). I haven’t been banned at any new boards or blogs for six months now! We are gradually seeing the changes we need to see to take your many powerful insights to a far better place that we have been able to take them in earlier days.

However, things have also gotten worse as those who have participated in defamation and deception and intimidation and word games in “defense’ of Buy-and-Hold have become even more defensive as it has begun to hit them how much financial damage they have done with their advocacy of this now-discredited but once very promising idea (fated to achieve its promise as we all move together to the Valuation-Informed Indexing Era, to be sure).

The optimistic and pessimistic signals recently met in one strange Bogleheads thread reporting on exciting research by Wade Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, showing that Valuation-Informed Indexing beat Buy-and-Hold in 102 of 110 30-year periods. That of course is breakthrough stuff that we should all be working together to spread to every middle-class investor alive. The crazy, insane, sad, pathetic part of the thread (about half of the posts put forward rationalizations for not doing all we can to get this wonderful news out to middle-class investors as quickly as possible), is summed up in the words of a post put forward by Site Administrator Alex Frakt.

Here are Fract’s words: “We’ve had to remove a couple of comments and posts from this thread regarding Rob Bennett. I have been in contact with the OP offline and he is now fully aware of hocus’ modus operandi, so there is no further need for these posts. Let’s continue to keep this forum a hocus-free zone. P.S. For anyone confused by this message, I suggest googling “hocomania.'”

Huh?

And — Yucko!

We need your help, man! Really!

We need it now. By the close of business today if at all possible!

I wish you luck in all your future endeavors and look forward to working with you to bring your many wonderful and powerful insights from earlier days to fruition as we move from the discredited Buy-and-Hold strategy to the investing model that we all know you would have put forward in the first place if only Shiller’s research showing that valuations affect long-term returns had been available to you back in the 1970s.

Take a sad song and make it better, John. Please?

Here’s a link to my blog entry reporting on Frakt’s words (there are 12 links to background materials contained therein):

http://arichlife.passionsaving.com/2011/01/25/site-administrator-alex-frakt-doubles-down-on-defamationintimidationdeception-strategy-at-bogleheads-forum/

Rob

Filed Under: John Bogle & VII Tagged With: Alex Frakt, Bogleheads Forum, internet defamation, John Bogle, Rob Bennett

Wade Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies: Valuation-Informed Indexing Works

January 21, 2011 by Rob

Wade Pfau, Associate Professor of Economics at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, has posted at his blog preliminary research showing that Valuation-Informed Indexing works.

Juicy Excerpt #1: I will take steps in my final paper to test a wide variety of assumptions about asset allocation, valuation-based decision rules, whether the period is 10, 20, 30, or 40 years, lump-sum vs. dollar-cost averaging, and so on, and to show that the results are quite robust to changes in any of these assumptions.

Juicy Excerpt #2: I don’t like the term “long-term market timing.”  Market-timing is much too pejorative, and is also too easy to confuse with short-term market timing.  Also, market-timing seems to be associated with extreme strategies: either 100% stocks or 100% Treasury bills.  I don’t like that either.  I think the best term for this is “Valuation-Informed Indexing.”

Juicy Excerpt #3: Valuation-Informed Indexing [is] a term coined by Rob Bennett, who is banned from posting at the Bogleheads Forum.

Juicy Excerpt #4: Rob Bennett in his podcast “RobCast #137, Nine VII Portfolio Allocation Strategies,” indicates some preference for his high-medium-low strategy, which would be 60% stocks in the baseline, but would switch to 30% stocks when the PE10 ratio moves above 21, and would switch to 90% stocks when the PE10 ratio moves below 12.  My example will be a variation of this strategy that captures the spirit of what he suggested.

Juicy Excerpt #5: What you see in the top part of the graph for each year is the amount of wealth accumulated after 30 years for someone following buy-and-hold against someone following VII…. VII provides more wealth for 102 of the 110 rolling 30-year periods, while buy-and-hold did better in 8 of the periods.

Juicy Excerpt #6: The underperformance of VII [in the eight cases] is minimal…. In these final years, buy-and-hold was performing as well as it ever had at any point since 1880, and the slightly lower VII numbers also provided wealth that was on the high end of the spectrum compared to what buy-and-hold had provided in the past.  This seems like a small price for VII to pay for insurance against market crashes when valuations are out-of-control.

Juicy Excerpt #7: I welcome your comments and criticisms about this.

Filed Under: Bennett/Pfau Research Tagged With: investment research, Rob Bennett, Stock Valuations, Value Indexing, Wade Pfau

“Sure, He [Shiller] Does Support Value-Informed Indexing”

January 13, 2011 by Rob

Set forth below are comments that were posted by Azanon to the blog entry titled “Does Shiller Endorse Valuation-Informed Indexing?”:

Sure he does (support value informed indexing). I’ve watch all of the Yale lecture series of his economics class that are available for free on the web, and it is painfully obvious that Shiller endorses the concept of considering valuations, the current “animal spirit”, and the degree of irrational exuberance in place at any given time. He is constantly being interviewed to access the real estate market and its future direction.

If he feels all of these things can be intelligibly accessed, then certainly he would support the idea of making portfolio adjustments based upon market climate, not just upon one’s age or risk tolerance.

Rob, “value informed investing” is not as shunned as I think you believe that it is. I have read 100s of articles during my adult years with topics accessing whether various stocks, sectors, the (U.S.) market in general, or world markets are under or overpriced which often include suggestions to move into or out of the topic of discussion. The concept in general is practiced as least as often as buying-and-holding (in theory).

Outside of theory, true buy-and-holding is EXTREMELY rare. I can’t say that I know a single individual that has maintained a pre-defined buy-and-hold allocation which survived both the 2000 crash and the 2007 crash, without either one of these events compelling them to do something different (in other words, fail at buying and holding).

Filed Under: Various Experts & VII Tagged With: Rob Bennett, Robert Shiller, Value Indexing

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    • The Internet Blowhard's Favorite Phrase: Why Do People Love to Say That Correlation Does Not Imply Causation?

    • Michael Kitces (One of the Bravest of the Good Guys in This Field) Asks: "Who's Really at Risk When Avoiding Overvalued Stocks?"

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